i have done a search but not found any possitive answers, so could someone give me a little advise on cloneing autos, if it's not possible why.thanks in advance.WM
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i have done a search but not found any possitive answers, so could someone give me a little advise on cloneing autos, if it's not possible why.thanks in advance.WM
I tried once already and will be trying again on the girl in this picture. First try didn't pan out(forgot the humidity dome) and now she's 3 weeks into flower so can't do her but the other still has maybe a week of veg left before she flips herself so I'm hoping the branches get big enough to snip one! I've heard as well that you can't but I still want to try it, also will try to re-veg the one flowering now because 2 months from seed to harvest isn't really long enough to get anything more than about an oz for my setup.
autoflower ruderalis is not clone-able ... just as well, the garbage isn't worth growing anyway :wtf: ... Advice: don't risk your time, money, and freedom, over growing anything less than the best ... :smokin:
are you saying AF's aren't worth the time TIR?Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
Spoken like a true seed breeder IR :thumbsup:
Autoflowers are not cloneable, they flower independent of the photoperiod, so you have no way to control if the plant is going to veg or flower. Without the ability to control the plant thru light/dark times it is impossible for you to take a cutting that is allready in flower and get it to change to rooting/veg.
If you take a cutting early enough, it will "finish" exactly when the mother plant finishes.
Unlike the image reaper, I feel that autoflowers have a place with the hobby grower. They just don't have a place if you are serious about growing.:D
Wow, some serious negativity from you guys! Oh well, you've got the bad karma not me. I happen to like my AF's, sure they aren't heavy producers but I got them more for studying and curiosity. And we will see if they can be cloned and when they will finish, it's only been about 6.5hrs since I took 2 x 1.5" cuttings but they're doing great so far so be prepared to have your world flipped upside-down, naysayers!
Oh, & IR, nobody has pure ruderalis, which I'm told by more than just you, is garbage. Mine is 30%, so it's still 70% "not garbage"...
most biologists don't even consider ruderalis, to be a true member of the cannabis family ... it's a bit of a phenomenon that's gotten popular the last few years ... feel free to grow anything you like, but my point is : it is NOT that potent, it does NOT yield well, it takes 'flowering control', etc., away from the grower, BUT, it has the same legal penalties, as the 'good stuff' :wtf: ... if I wind up sitting on the edge of a steel bed, talking to my 'roommate' :( , I hope I can say, "I got caught with 40 pounds of Jack Herer buds" ... not, "I got busted with a 1/4 ounce of ditchweed" :D ... just teasing, grow whatever ya like, and enjoy doing it :thumbsup: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
just a tiny bit of the subject, but this is an OUTSTANDING article, by DJ Shorts, the famous, and well-respected world-class breeder:
Breeding tips | Cannabis Culture Magazine
I bet you'll like reading that, I learned a lot from it :thumbsup:
All good points there, sir! I think their popularity has to do with size and ease of growing(like you said with taking flowering control away). Makes it possible for anyone to grow a plant in their closet with just some soil and a few cfl bulbs. Honestly I don't think I would have gotten back into growing if I hadn't heard of these. Anyways you too have some happy holidays, I need to pass around some karma before hitting you back for that awesome article you posted. I do enjoy a good read...Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
Hey there Redtails,
I really didn't think I was being that negative about autoflowers. I have in fact grown some for shits and giggles. And will probably continue to stick a couple in my mom/veg room because I can literally grow a couple of them for free, since the lights are on anyway for my moms and vegging plants. And like I said, I see how they might be the best thing for a hobby grower. And while the lowryder X santa maria was crap, the lowryder X Ak47 was quite tastee and had good head to it.
I would add to the DJ Shorts' articule with the fact that russian ruderalis was in this country by the 1940s, we grew it on my aunt and uncles tobbaco farm during the 2nd world war. We grew two types of hemp back then, tall skinny fiber hemp that I think came from India and "Russian hemp" that was very short, like a bean bush, used more for it's seeds then fiber. The tall crap must have been hybredized by the ruderalis since that stuff would go to flower on it's own, independent of light.
thanks for the input everyone:thumbsup:
Reaper i hear what your saying, and you have some good points, if i lived in the USA with your over strict laws on cannabis i wouldn't bother either, but it's alot more relaxed here in the UK,you would only get a slap on the wrists if caught with a hobby grow, and thats what all my grows are.i only grow in the summer outdoors:)as for the potency i found my lowryder2 to be a nice smoke and quite strong thats probally the santa maria genetics,but like you said the yield is shit:(
Redtails let us know how you get on with the cuttings, very curious about the outcome :thumbsup:
Oldmac i was still replying whilst you posted, it took me 20 mins to reply, you know what it's like sometimes when stoned the mind keeps going blank LOL:D have to disagree with you on the LR2 like i posted i found it a nice smoke and quite strong all my mates were quite impressed with it allso:thumbsup:thanks for reminding me of the AK47 cross, did hear it was quite good, another to consider for the summer:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
Hi Weedmaster,
Just saw your post, abt the good santa maria genetics, and started laughing. I am going to assume that it stayed short, autoflowered and turned out great for you. Mine I believe was just not stablized yet or something.
We planted 5 seeds of LR x SantaMaria, 4 germinated 1 did not. Not a problem.
They grew and grew and got to be 4'+. Not a problem, just inconvienent.
Just never went to flower. Not a problem, stick them in the bloom room, room is set up for 2' tall plants so adjust some things, another inconvienence.
After a few weeks of 12/12 they flowered, but then 2 turned hermie. PROBLEM, I got two hermies in a room with a lot of production plants. Shit can those 2.
Continue to grow the other 2, but have to check them every day. That's a problem with time wasted.
They finish get chopped, dried cured. Problem, it was crap both in taste and potnecy...or what potency?
Meanwhile planted 3 auto AK47's along with the others and they grew very nicely, about 2' tall. All 3 varied slightly in height and wgt but came in at slightly less then an ounce each. Tasted good and was very potent and needed very little care. Who could ask for more?:D
Interesting stuff, the variation in seeds or maybe generations. I really would like to put a bunch of these (LRxAK47s) outdoors early to finish in the middle of the summer.:smokin: Think it would be worthwhile. Take care. :) -oldmac
Haha, yeah, after I re-read it earlier you didn't. I dunno :stoned:
I'll definitely let you know Weedmaster how the clones do, I mean why experiment with something like this that nobody knows for sure the outcome and then not share?
all turned out quite well for me,except the yield was shit, all mine were short average about 18" i did have one that grew a bit bigger about 24" and one that only grew to about 9" .i know 2 other people who have grown LR2 both had none of the problems you had and all were quite impressed with the potency:thumbsup:sounds like you got unlucky and if that happened to me i would be the same as you and class the strain shit, like you said interesting about the variation in seeds.good luck on your grows mate:DQuote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
redtails best of luck mate i hope you have some success:thumbsup:
Well, been a few days & it looks like the clones might not make it. They are starting to droop a bit and I had to re-cut one. I'm convinced it's my fault & not the auto genetics but now all my autoflowers are starting to bloom so I can't test it again without having to order more seeds. It's been about 8 years since I tried to clone anything and I only had about a 75% success back then on like 12 cuttings. I'll definitely post updates on whether or not they take.
it's good your haveing a go redtails:thumbsup:look forward to hearing the outcome:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
:thumbsup:hi redtails,i'm praying for your auto clones!hope it works,need to know the outcome by spring!:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
redtails how about a update on them clones:thumbsup:
Well, outcome still not entirely sure, leaves were yellowing quite a bit but it seems as though they are forming roots(not coming out of the rapid rooter plugs yet but stems are firmly anchored in). I'm sure they'll take, but what I really want to know now is how long they veg before they start to flower! If they go through a full 20 day veg like the parents that would be awesome news. I'm hesitant to post up pics right now because they look so crappy but as soon as I see new growth I definitely will! Here's the momma though at one week flowering to tide you over:
sounds promiseing redtails:jointsmile: keep us updated please mate:thumbsup:
mum looks good:D
So it took forever, but one cutting actually rooted the other day! The other went to 90% yellow and got some white hairy mold growing so I pulled it and there was some big, nasty, bubbly, tumor-looking growth on the bottom like it was preparing to grow roots but never did.
Here's the clone, doesn't look that great in the pic & it's so tiny but it's getting new growth now (3 more sets of leaves than in pic) and staying super compact. I'm guessing it'll veg a little before it autoflowers but only time will tell. If it does veg & grow branches, I will try to clone some more to keep the strain alive because the original is my best looking plant from the 5 AF seeds.
Here's a pic from just a bit ago to show new growth.
exellent redtails!dont want to piss anyone off(oldmac is almost a god in my eye's)but what do the"naysayers"think now,hehe!
nice work redtails:thumbsup:looks like you'r onto a winner there. the old saying "nothing is impossible" comes to mind. be very interesting to see the final outcome, keep us updated mate:jointsmile:
It started flowering yesterday, so in the future it probably isn't worth trying to clone autos but might get a couple grams if I'm lucky. The little thing stretched to about 1.5" tall now with 5 sets of leaves and pistils are shooting out everywhere.
;)i guess you might as well left it on the mother and saved a pot and soil:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
It's going to definitely yield more on it's own than if the two branches remained, I guess it'll stay an experiment. Damn you nay-sayers! Hah, couldn't find evidence besides just a general "you can't" so I tried it myself. Myth: CONFIRMED for now...
LOL your the man redtails:D looks a lovely little girl soooo cute;) be interesting to see how much you get at harvest, let us know mate:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
Yeah, I'm hoping she turns into just a nice dense 7g bud or something. 3 weeks or so to go...
I was a little wrong on the timing, but here's her at harvest. Not a quarter oz, more like an eighth once dry.
Haha, sorry for using the camel wides for size comparison. It's like using a AAA to make the bud look bigger only in reverse. For anyone not familiar with camel wides, the pack is 2.5" wide, 3 3/8" tall: so 1/4" wider than a normal cigg pack.
nice one!good to know it can be done,in case of snapped branches and such!!
With mine, they flowered at 3 weeks exactly so there was only a very small window where the branches were big enough to clip before it was flowering. As soon as the clone was rooted and recovered for the exact same remaining veg days of the mother, it also went automatically into flower.
thanks for keeping us updated redtails:thumbsup:been away for a couple of weeks otherwise would have said thanks earlier:jointsmile: