South Florida Newbie Outdoor Grow Log :-D

The following pics are pre and post transplant, the last pic is the 2 that were transplanted last week.

The soil mixture is purely organic, used a combination of:
1part Peat moss
1part perlite
1part Vermiculite
The soil itself is not miracle gro, lol... no extra unwanted nutes for me :-)

I just started feeding them full strength fox farm nutes, 1/2 strength for first 2 weeks ( they are 3 1/2 weeks old)

I was also wondering, seeing as how its so late in the season, how long they would have to veg (frost is not a problem here in south fla.) before i can expect them to start flowering, seeing as how we are in autumnal equinox.

Any comments or criticism is welcome!!!!

Whoops forgot a couple pics (taken at night)

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Was also wanting to start applying the FIM technique , anyone who has experience doing this before have any tips?

how's the winter over there? how cold does it get because you will be going well into January most likely :thumbsup:

They will start to flower as soon as they are mature enough if the lighting is correct

well more like mid south FLA, i may have to keep close watch as last year we had record lows of about 29 degrees.

If all goes well this winter should pass by with the lowest of 35 0_o

As of now it might as well be 12/12, the plants themselves get about 9 hours of direct light a day

Im also planning on starting an indoor grow as well soon.. seeing as how these are just bagseed, id like to step up my genetic game and get some real beauties. Gonna be ordering the Nirvana Chrystal, looks yummy :-).

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anyone who has experience doing this before have any tips?

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I'd say hold off on that. Your plants are probably about to start showing flowers. :thumbsup: Unless height's a real concern (like if the neighbors can see 'em) you'll probably hurt your yield by fimming or topping so small, right before flower like this.

You need to get 1 plant in 1 pot ASAP. That's a much bigger concern.

You should also beat back that undergrowth around your plants, unless you're trying to hide 'em in there. You'll get more bugs, etc., and your plants are having to compete for light, space, resources with each other and the surrounding vegetation.

And "organic" is overrated, IMO. FYI:

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Just my .02.
Gonna follow along and I'm wishing you luck. :thumbsup:
Be careful, FL's a bitch. Hermie

You can grow year round outdoors in Florida, and now is the perfect time down there.

BTW, pic number 4 is an Indica.

I'd say you're high, those are a May/June harvest according to the pics. The light cycle in Florida is perfect for an early outdoor grow.

I resided down there for almost 10 years.

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

I'd say hold off on that. Your plants are probably about to start showing flowers. :thumbsup: Unless height's a real concern (like if the neighbors can see 'em) you'll probably hurt your yield by fimming or topping so small, right before flower like this.

You need to get 1 plant in 1 pot ASAP. That's a much bigger concern.

You should also beat back that undergrowth around your plants, unless you're trying to hide 'em in there. You'll get more bugs, etc., and your plants are having to compete for light, space, resources with each other and the surrounding vegetation.

And "organic" is overrated, IMO. FYI:


Just my .02.
Gonna follow along and I'm wishing you luck. :thumbsup:
Be careful, FL's a bitch. Hermie

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You'll have to transplant those eventually.

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Originally Posted by talonkardel

The following pics are pre and post transplant, the last pic is the 2 that were transplanted last week.

The soil mixture is purely organic, used a combination of:
1part Peat moss
1part perlite
1part Vermiculite
The soil itself is not miracle gro, lol... no extra unwanted nutes for me :-)

I just started feeding them full strength fox farm nutes, 1/2 strength for first 2 weeks ( they are 3 1/2 weeks old)

I was also wondering, seeing as how its so late in the season, how long they would have to veg (frost is not a problem here in south fla.) before i can expect them to start flowering, seeing as how we are in autumnal equinox.

Any comments or criticism is welcome!!!!

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

You should also beat back that undergrowth around your plants, unless you're trying to hide 'em in there. You'll get more bugs, etc., and your plants are having to compete for light, space, resources with each other and the surrounding vegetation.

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Yeah ive noticed the pests are becoming a slight annoyance, i have been using Safer Garden spray on the plants at night, but theres still little tiny flies that like to run around them as well as some tiny tiny spiders starting webs between pots, i went out with a chemical pest spray and sprayed around the area. But yeah, trimming the site down was a thought i had, thanks for the support!

No problem. :thumbsup:

I can see in one of the pics that at least one of the pots has an attached saucer. Rip dat baby offa dere. Standing water's gonna make yer bug problem worse, and your growing medium mucky and sour. Bleah!

You could set the pots back in a saucer, then--just not attached to the pot. Gotta keep things clean and dry. The pot sitting right on the ground is no good, either. You'll have an ant relay race going pretty quick (or worse).

Search the user "stinkyattic." Read every sticky she has written. She's a mod here, and sometimes she has to spank people when things start getting out of hand. Hermie likes that part, maybe because Hermie was weaned too early. :(



14's too early, right?

Yeah i hear ya, as far as ground pests go i spread ant poison amongst any and all piles i saw, i keep a close watch on these babies.. but yeah thats a good point about the saucer underneath, i never would have thought of that :) .
I have some other good news however, i went to go see my friend to pick up some fine greenery, and he bestowed upon me about 30 magical seeds :jointsmile: Im not sure if i'll have enough materials for all of them, but soon.. soon.

Read up on cloning (taking cuttings). Fun and easy. Get one female plant and grow her cuttings for years. All guaranteed female, all mature and ready to flower as soon as they have roots! No need to pop 30 beans at once. :smokin:

Hah yeah i hear ya, i only have supplies for 10 more anyways :-D, i just want to make sure i have a few girls out of the pack.

My second/main project im still working on is going to be my indoor grow whenever my seeds decide to come in the mail. Those are the ones im going to focus on cloning :smokin: i just want to see all the different varieties that my collection of potent bagseeds produce.

Just be careful with your numbers. Lot of us on this board are legal med patients. No such thing where you are. State of FL got no patience, likes to consider everybody a trafficker, even med users.

25 plants and up is real serious there. Can't remember if it was minimum mandatory or automatic referral for federal prosecution or what, but it was heavy like a murder charge. Take your house, too. Nothin' to play with. Mos' peeps think fartin' around with bagseed just ain't worth the risks. They're considerable. Jus' sayin. Hermie

Ah to ease my mind and yours, i grow on a 6 acre property with 7 foot fences bordering my neighbors property. This is country Florida i live in :)
Just as well, paranoia is not getting the best of me here :thumbsup:

As per your advice however i did transplant the 2 that were sharing a home, and removed the trays. I would be posting some pics but my camera eats batteries like nothing else. I'll have some new ones up soon.

Okay so heres some pics, they all are looking very healthy, i used a couple drops per/gal of superthrive and half strength nutes.

Ill be updating again soon :)

i went out again today to inspect for those annoying little spiders, found a few hiding underneath the lower nodes of 2 of my plants, after i noticed the tips of the lower leaves were brown where they were sitting.

Im probably going to end up going to get the neem oil and start spraying them down with it.

I trimmed down the vegetation and sprayed more pest spray around the area, ants and crickets/grasshoppers are gone. As well i think i got the last of the spiders that found a home there.

just as well does anyone know how to get rid of flies? or ward them away from your area?

Okay so heres an interesting defect that im not too happy about, a couple of the lower leaves on 2 of the plants are looking nasty. The bugs are gone all but some little flies that like to hover around.

I wanna know what it is that is causing the leaves to decay like they are, and if i should just chop the branch etc.

Other than those 2, the other 7 are loving the hell out of their new homes, got about 2 inches in the last couple days.

Looks like critters, maybe.

Can you get a shot of the underside of this leaf?

Got a magnifying glass to give yourself a better look?

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You would think so, but no, i just checked them this morning, aside from the spot of decay on those leaves, it doesnt seem like its spreading, no bugs though (thank god). Would it be better for me to just let the plant heal itself? or just hack off the limb.

Soo today i went to my local home depot and picked up some supplies to being constructing my greenhouse. 2X4 8ft wooden stakes, some sheet plastic. The dimensions im using will be 7X5X7 , probably wont be finished till later this week, but if all goes well i should be able to eliminate alot of my concerns regarding the terrors of growing outdoors :-).

Well it turns out i need more sheet plastic to finish :-) but you can kind of get the idea of what im doing.

The family is doing very well :) , the decay apparently went away, flies still a problem, but hopefully wont be once i get tent finished. It gets around 94deg far. out there in that field.

any ideas welcome! fucking hate flies..

MALE!!! BOOOO...

So one of my biggest subjects decided to start preflowering today.... multiple pods at the internodes... more than enough convincing after looking at other male preflower pics...

Im going to be moving this guy about 100yds away...

none of my others have started showing their sex yet.. but im praying for no more males :(

Pic of the male sacks

Well good news kinda bad news today.. more preflowers showing, have confirmed 3 females, 1 hermie (i did the same with the hermie as i did with the male, moved his ass far far away.)

4 of the other older ones still havent shown convincing sex yet. But more than likely ill know by next week.

Ill be posting pics up later, i wanna know when i should switch to my bloom nutes, seeing as how they are only in preflower stage.

Anyone got an idea let me know! :pimp:

No rush to switch nutes--think how it happens in nature:

Different nearby vegetation dies, rots, and fertilizes the soil from above as your roots dig deeper / wider and encounter different nutrients in the soil. Happens gradually as you move further into "season."

Probably the biggest difference the plants will notice is less available nitrogen when you switch to bloom nutes. As nitrogen helps a vegging plant get big and strong, you don't need to be in a hurry to kick your babies off the veg nutes. (If you had vegged the plants indoors at 24/0 until they were a couple feet tall and bushy, might make sense to slam them into flower when you stuck 'em outside, but that's just me.) Keeping the plants on veg nutes won't prevent them from flowering; the light cycle's gonna take care of that. :thumbsup:

Some folks like to flush all the veg nutes out and suddenly change to bloom nutes when they switch to 12/12. Never seemed necessary to me. (I have to flush often enough just cause of salt buildup from hard water and nutes.) :(

Don't stress over the male plants. They're gonna be close to 50% over the long haul, obviously. Some say stressing the plants in any way (pot crowding, bugs, wet soil, etc., etc.) contributes to more males turning up. If that's true, it's another reason to try to do "everything right" when the plants are young. It does seem like the biggest, strongest, prettiest seedlings often turn out to be male, FWIW. :mad:

Odd you should get a hermie so young (although I guess I was only 9 when I started trying on my sister's clothes!) :eek: Be a little patient confirming the "maleness" of your flowers. Some strains produce new growth that looks a lot like "balls" at first, that then just develops into new shoots.

Once you have confirmed maleness, you're probably going to need to kill them. :chainsaw: Between breezes and insects I think those males can get your ladies knocked up from a hundred yards away pretty easy.




HTH. The plants are looking nice, BTW. Good work. :thumbsup:

Hermie

:thumbsup: Thanks again for the info and support hermie :) , another update (i need to buy more batteries for my camera, will probably have pics up later) i finished applying the plastic sheeting over the frame, i think its still getting too hot during the day to put them underneath yet, or atleast till i can get it completely covered with another roll of sheet plastic.

I ended up pulling the male and letting the hermie grow a bit longer, still far far away from the others.. which are looking amazing, they are branching out very nicely, and no more male preflowers (not yet atleast) so im hoping to have atleast 4-5 mature ladies here soon :). Still feeding the older ones full strength nutes and 2-3 drops/gal of superthrive, seems to be working quite well.

I was wondering what the temperature threshold for the plants is, at midday the temp gauge reads 93 deg underneath the tent. which ill be using eventually when they start to flower to keep them out of the rain, and later sheltering them from cold.

And as always, i appreciate any comments or criticism!

Hey man looks like your on a journey:thumbsup: Man thats some bad heat ya got down there. If i were you the first concern i would have would be keeping them watered! I really wouldn't have that plastic out like that. It doesnt look natural. It will only draw attention and you really dont need it. Are ya going to grow them in pots or put them in the ground? Il be watching man:thumbsup:, but really, get rid of the plastic and keep them babys wet:rasta:

If ya put em in the ground they will not dry out so fast and they would be cooler in the ground, plus have the advantage of unlimited root growth:thumbsup:

Good luck:thumbsup::rasta:

Ah, well the plastic is only there for when winter rolls around here, sometime around january some years its dropped below 30deg far. but no less. But yeah, the ones in the bigger pots im going to keep them where they are, id be too worried about killing it trying to transplant in a clay pot like that. The soil around is way too acidic for any kind of real growth to occur (believe me ive tried), id rather try my luck with large pots :cool:

Temps here dont start to get low until early january so i think it'll be fine until then. The humidity factor out here is rediculous as well, somewhere around 70% today. But i make sure they never get dehydrated ;)

okay so here i've got a couple pics of the tent and underneath, obviously in need of more construction *and sheet plastic*, but for now it serves its purpose. Eventually ill get it ready for winter, for now they are starting to bush out, looking nice :D

I grow in pots too. They dry out fast when the temp's get up there, so ya might want to watch em close. Can anyone see that green house? Just thinking someone might want to investigate it. Just looks out of place, but if your comfortable then, your call:thumbsup:
:rasta:

High, LSY--whassup?

Hey TK, it just occurred to me--

Are your plants somewhere they won't catch any "stray light" after dark? That can cause problems with hermies and flowering.

No porchlights.
No streetlights.
Occasional car headlight OK, but not much more than that....

Nothing continuous any brighter than the stars and moon, and that's pretty dang dim.

And plants love to get transplanted. Looks like you may be getting close so time to start reading up on it. It's easy--no sweat. :thumbsup:If your plant gets rootbound it'll basically poison itself. :(

Take Care, Hermie

Nah man, i live in "the country" if anyone can see the "greenhouse" theyre using binoculars, i know my neighbors, we tilled a 20X10X8 plot last year and grew tomatoes and corn, so they dont really suspect anything sinister. and im not feeling any paranoia :).

I transplanted a couple more the other day, im gonna wait another week or two before transplanting the bigger ones. Which btw 2 have already started showing me white armpit hairs :). It is 100% darkness out where they are at night, It turns out the one i thought was a hermie was just a male, but they were definitely showing pollen pods so i ended up destroying him as well :D. They are really shooting up right now, definitely very healthy.

So far each time i've transplanted the plant was already reaching for the sun again an hour later, so i dont think im to worried in that sense, its just that it's easier to move a plant thats in a plastic pot as opposed to a clay pot.

Ill have some pics up in a couple days, until then, any comments or criticism welcome!!

Oh yeah! i also started some peppers tomato and basil plants. also in pots, you cant beat homegrown organic veggies :rasta:

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

High, LSY--whassup?

Hey TK, it just occurred to me--

Are your plants somewhere they won't catch any "stray light" after dark? That can cause problems with hermies and flowering.

No porchlights.
No streetlights.
Occasional car headlight OK, but not much more than that....

Nothing continuous any brighter than the stars and moon, and that's pretty dang dim.

And plants love to get transplanted. Looks like you may be getting close so time to start reading up on it. It's easy--no sweat. :thumbsup:If your plant gets rootbound it'll basically poison itself. :(

Take Care, Hermie

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Hey Hermie keepen er green?. My first grow i thought turned out great, intill i was reading this year and discovered that what i had grown and smoked, were two hermies. Big ones. lol Hell i thought id grow some plants. I really didnt know what i was doing. But what i did wrong was grow them on my deck. Well the chick that lives here sometimes works late. My daughter was turning the deck light on a few times a week and two nice plants went hermie. I found out 2 years later, because i began to read and read more. I read in a grow log about not taking night time pic's to avoid hermy. Well at that point i was laughing at myself because of how i had showed off the hermies i grew. Wish i would have known then i coulda made femed seeds with a hermy.:thumbsup::rasta:


By the way there got any :apachecopter: ZZZZZZZZZZaass Around there

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

By the way there got any :apachecopter: ZZZZZZZZZZaass Around there

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Naw, out here only thing ive ever seen were news helicopters at about 5,000ft, everything else is either private single engine or commercial planes.

Ive lived out here for a couple years now, i keep a low profile :stoned:

So! a bit of good news bad news deal today.
I had to remove another male :(, i decided to let this one live to practice topping and some LST techniques.

On the higher note i have one thats already showing pistils at multiple internodes, sad though i wish she was taller :wtf: but thats what you get for planting this late :thumbsup: .

I transplanted one of the bigger ones today, still hasnt shown its gene's yet but hopefully soon she'll be showing me some flowers too :).

I was going out this weekend to shop for flowering nutes and i was thinking about going with Fox Farm's Tiger Bloom/Big bloom, let me know what you think!!

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Originally Posted by talonkardel

So! a bit of good news bad news deal today.
I had to remove another male :(, i decided to let this one live to practice topping and some LST techniques.

On the higher note i have one thats already showing pistils at multiple internodes, sad though i wish she was taller :wtf: but thats what you get for planting this late :thumbsup: .

I transplanted one of the bigger ones today, still hasnt shown its gene's yet but hopefully soon she'll be showing me some flowers too :).

I was going out this weekend to shop for flowering nutes and i was thinking about going with Fox Farm's Tiger Bloom/Big bloom, let me know what you think!!

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Hey man, first thing, chop the male! You will be plenty busy with the girls and LSTing is something you can read about. Its not hard. The pollen from a male can travel pretty far. I found a few seeds in mine and i had chopped up the male 100 yards away from my plant. Bees, birds or mother nature can only pollinate your fems. Ya dont want this at all, in less your making seeds. If thats what you have in mind, just move the male down wind. Also very far away and then when you see pollen sacks put a wet bag around it and then just sorta bang around the sack to collect pollen. When the female is ready, put the bag around a lower branch and tap the bag. This will pollinate the buds and you will get seeds. Just use a bread tie for the open end of the bag so you only pollinate the desired branch. Leave till dry then take off gently and discard:thumbsup::rasta:

Also, re-pot, re-pot! I grow in pots and 1 plant can need 4 re-pots.

As far as size is concerned, 50% below the dirt (roots) and 50% above the soil, your plant. Thats how your plants will grow. Also, why a plant needs re-potting. I think with the number of plants, id think about putting a few in the ground to give yourself more time with the potted plants:thumbsup::rasta:

Yeah i just as well figured, i gotta get some pictures of my *ugly girl*, like if this plant were a woman, she got beat with the ugly stick. Although i think mother nature topped it for me, lol... theres 4 main branches shooting out of the top.

So down to figures, out of the 9 - 6 are girls :D. I chopped the last boy this morning.. the chances that they actually produced and spread pollen before this are slim to none, i moved them at first sign of pods at the nodes.

So i was wondering, when transplanting, is it best to get the entire root system moved intact? Or is it only neccessary to just get the main root ball.
The plant i have in the largest pot lost alot of its auxillary roots when i transplanted yesterday, but is already taking back to the sun and growing today.
anyways, im going to be doing a flush tomorrow and then start them on my bloom nutes (Open sesame & Tiger bloom*)
Wish me luck!:hippy:

Don't worry about being rough when repotting, I did mine and really had to push down on the roots on the side of the pot and it showed no visible harm , I really regret not putting her in the ground though ,I thought if it gets too cold I'll be able to move her in or if its shaded I can move my plant around into the sun but as soon as flowering started it was impossible to move it.

I also don't think you've got anything to worry about with cold , I'm in the UK and am going until mid november probably ,so I'd swap with you any day.

Good Growin.