Speaks for itself
Senate panel rejects public healthcare option | Politics | Reuters
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Speaks for itself
Senate panel rejects public healthcare option | Politics | Reuters
The Democrats now, i assume, will attempt to enact a public option by tweaking the failed proposal and giving it another name. Nonetheless, todays vote was good news.:jointsmile:
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Thats good and without the public option there's really nothing else to vote for. Maybe some of the states will look at the issue. I'm for a public option, just not federally.
This is probably one of the worst things that could have happened. I sure hope they bring the PO back during the reconciliation process. Without this, the insurance companies will continue to rape and pillage. Let's think about this...what valued added role do the insurance companies play in the delivery of healthcare...NONE! They are just the middle man between our money and the providers. And they make billions playing that role. Since they are driven by a profit motive, all they want to do is to deny coverage for the smallest of excuses. We cannot claim to be a great society if we allow people to be killed when they are sick. Talk about Death Panels. The only thing I will ever agree with Sarah Palin on(please God..don't strike me dead). We have Death Panels today and it's not the government. It's the adjudicators that get hefty bonuses based on how many claims they deny. Without PO, this is not reform...it's a whitewash.
Unfortunately, MOST of the ignorant have been brainwashed by the extreme right wing funded by the insurance companies and we may not see a good PO. In any case, the current version of PO is not going to be available to everyone but only those that are not covered from their employers and cannot get insurance. Oh well...c'est la vie!! Let's kill thousands more of our unfortunate fellow citizens.:(:(:(:(:(
a properly regulated insurance industry stands as a buffer between the individual and the financial devastation of catastrophic illness. insurance is a gamble on your health, sometimes the individual is rewarded for that gamble, relieving him of the strain of outrageous hospital bills, and more often than not the house wins. the notion that there should be no profit for those who provide that service or that those profits should be regulated by the great bureaucracy is insane. just as medical professionals do not invest in years of schooling to earn no better than the common wage slave and medical institutions are not built, equipped and staffed for strictly altruistic purposes, so too are those who provide that financial buffer due their recompense. considering the billions upon billions of dollars that the insurance industry handles, it should be able to expect a profit margin commensurate with that responsibility. aside from the occasional anecdotal evidence of extreme corruption and malfeasance, the millions of satisfied policy holders attest to the general workability of the system in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrchanger
the addition of a public option introduces an entirely new level of corruption into an industry that is already easily taken advantage of. to believe that government does not receive some sort of profit from their meddling is naive. their profit comes in the form of further control over a profitable industry, a control not shared with the people they represent, and an infusion of billions more dollars in the form of premiums to do with as they please. that public option would also place the fates of millions of americans more firmly in the grasp of the bureaucrats of the nanny state, whose actions and intentions are artfully hidden from the very people who provide their salaries and their power. where a corporation may be held accountable through the marketplace, government's armed might makes it impervious to any justice the people may wish to hand down.
the mob, in its quest for more "free stuff", seems incapable of looking beyond its immediate needs. the intent of the founders of this country seems to have been to create a balance between the needs of the individual and the desires of the mob and this experiment has yet to run its course. we are constantly faced with those who say, "but nationalized health care works just fine elsewhere". i suggest they look closely at those elsewheres for a difference between those societies and our own. in most of those societies there is a distinct limiting of personal freedoms and intrusion into the people's everyday lives that we would consider unacceptable. perhaps those dissatisfied with our way of life should emigrate to those more loving climes. i would thoroughly enjoy seeing how well canada, great britain or france would cope with millions of our poor flooding across their borders and demanding free health care, a place to live and the means of existence. i doubt they would be as accepting as we are of the millions who choose to immigrate here.
The ignorant have been brainwashed by the rightwing?? Was this a serious post? Whatever helps ya sleep at night I guess. I voted for Obama outta some delusional idea of hope, that MAYBE, this guy is ahead of the curve. Nope, another tax and spend liberal idiot getting punked around the world on a daily basis now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrchanger
Let the Dems pass this joke of a healthcare bill through reconciliation, bring it on. They will be finished. Even the bloggers on Daily Kos and Huff and PUffington post agree thats true. So bring it on Govt. boobie suckers, your gonna lose.:jointsmile:
Breaking- Senate downed by vote of 13-10 govt. sponsored with taxpayer money abortions. This gets better and better everyday. Im pro-choice but not with my $, your mistake, your resposibility.:jointsmile:
is it any wonder why healthcare in USA is #37 on the list of countries....I can go to canada or europe and be cured of hepititus....here in the states they wont cure you.... they will only treat your symtoms
Why cure people and solve the problem when we (pharmaceuticals) can make money hand over fist suppling pills that only treat the symtems
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"US was ranked #72 on "Level of Health" (snuggled between Argentina-71 and Bhutan-73) and #37 (between Costa Rica-36 and Slovenia-38) on "Overall Health System Performance", according to the World Health Organization. See:
Health system attainment and performance in all Member States
"The United States is the wealthiest, mightiest country in all of human history, and yet it has a higher proportion of poor or, worse, hungry citizens than almost every other industrialized nation. ...The Luxembourg Income Study, which has been tracking household incomes of twenty-five countries for more than twenty years, recently compared nations' relative poverty rates. 'Relative' poverty is defined as a household making less than 50 percent of the national median income. In Finland, Norway, and Sweden, poverty rates range between 5.4 percent and 6.5 percent. Of our two neighbors, Canada and Mexico, the United States' poverty rate is much closer to Mexico, 22.1 percent. The U.S. poverty rate is 17 percent, according to the Luxembourg study, only 1.8 percent lower than Russia's."
Yea......its the never ending scourge of Hepatitus that plagues this nation. Nobody is saying we dont need some healthcare reform, but the current proposals, which my wife and I printed out and read for A MONTH, are a total joke. Thats why they attempted to pass it so quick, and got busted, and then punked at townhalls for the month of August. Now, if they attempt to pass some shoddy bill through reconciliation, they will be voted outta office in 13 months and they KNOW IT NOW. They deserve what they are getting and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
And what happened to all the transparancy? Posting Bills for 72 hours? Liberal wing of Dems blocked another attempt at that today. Cowardly people. The real Democrats have already begun abandoning this President if ya havent already noticed.
Politicains are hand in hand receiving large donations to political campains from the pharmaceutical companies... its been documented
In Greenland they came up with a cure for clogged arteries from plaque...they called it a liquid plummber for your arteries... a way to 100% totally prevent strokes, heart attacks ect caused by this clooging of the arteries.
Lipitor one of the only manufactures of the blood thinner plavix, used on most all of the patients that have a plaque build up in their artieies... went in bought up the rights to the cure.... So they cant use that treatment/CURE here in the USA .....but you sure can buy the plavix
Im not saying thats not true, but do you have any reliable links to post this miracle drug. Not one conspiracy nut, media guru, or extortionist has caught wind of this and exposed it for their own personal gain? I would, but Im i profit driven individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13