Super-Thermite

Do you think Dick Cheney will say so.....or shit happens?

Scientists find active 'super-thermite' in WTC dust
Joe Byrne
Published: Saturday April 4, 2009

A team of nine scientists have released a startling new report on the events of 9/11, using data from dust gathered in the days and weeks after the towers came down. They discovered that scattered throughout the dust samples were red and gray chips of 'active thermitic material', or an un-reacted pyrotechnic explosive.

Thermite is used in steel welding, fireworks shows, and hand grenades. It is the combination of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produce a reaction known for extremely high temperatures focused in a very small area for a short period of time. The 'active thermitic material' discovered in the World Trade Center dust was a combination of elemental aluminum and iron oxide, and is a form of thermite known as 'nano-structured super-thermite'.

â??These observations reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhere; available papers describe this material as an intimate mixture of UFG[Ultra-fine grain] aluminum and iron oxide in nano-thermite composites to form pyrotechnics or explosives. Commercially available thermite behaves as an incendiary when ignited, but when the ingredients are ultra-fine grain and are intimately mixed, this 'nano-thermite' reacts very rapidly, even explosively, and is sometimes referred to as 'super-thermite',â?� the report explains.

The full article in The Open Chemical Physics Journal can be found here.
Bentham Science Publishers

Some of the authors of the paper have lost their jobs at universities and chemistry labs for their outspoken breakdown of what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Kevin Ryan lost his job as a lab director after writing a letter to the National Institute for Standards and Technology(NIST was conducting an investigation into 9/11 at the time) challenging the common theory that burning jet fuel weakened the steel supports holding up the 110-story skyscrapers. Ryan claims that the owner of his laboratory subsidiary "was the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings,â?� according to the South Bend Tribune. Dr. Steven E. Jones, a physicist at Brigham Young University, presented a paper in 2005 discussing alternative theories to the commonly accepted 'jet fuel' reasoning. In September 2006 he was placed on paid administrative leave and his paper was removed from the BYU database.

Jones has told Visibility911.com, "In short, the paper explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings."

It remains to be seen if this study will encourage further investigation into the events of 9/11, or if anyone will come forth with a legitimate reason as to why nano-structured super-thermite can be found in dust produced by the collapse of the World Trade Centers

This topic belongs in the Conspiracy forum.

Steven E. Jones is a total crackpot, probably never even came to New York City to do his bogus "research" on the Twin Towers. Here's an example of his mentality and work.

Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America
By Steven E. Jones

The Book of Mormon makes the bold statement that Jesus Christ, shortly following His resurrection, visited people in the New World and invited them to "feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am...the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world. ... Ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice..." (3 Nephi 11:14, 15:21). The Bible states that Jesus "showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days" and that this witness of Christ would be "unto the uttermost part of the earth." (Acts 1:3-8) and that Jesus would indeed visit "other sheep" (John 10:16).
Several years ago, an idea popped into my head: Would people in the New World who also saw Jesus Christ leave memorials of this supernal experience by showing marked hands of Deity in their artwork? So I began a search with the following hypothesis-to be tested: Ancient artwork portraying a deity with deliberate markings on his hands will be found somewhere in the Americas. A crazy idea, maybe - but wait till you see the artwork of the ancient Maya!

For more of this crap, see the links.


I've posted numerous times about him, here's a few hits, hopefully some are still working:


http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/82114-video-professor-steven-jones-thermite.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/81763-byu-places-9-11-truth-professor-paid-leave.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/80971-2-new-reports-counter-9-11-conspiracy-theories.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/76018-9-11-truth-3.html#post903168

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/76018-9-11-truth-2.html#post901174

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/76018-9-11-truth-2.html#post900989

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/70661-scientific-analysis-proves-towers-brought-down-incendiaries.

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/69183-breaking-news-three-inmates-die-guantanamo.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...tml#post796876

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...tml#post796551

haha why would there be explosives and a plane? I believe the U.S. was involved in 911, just my personal opinion but I don't think it involved explosive devices. Super thermite could have been in any number of things. It was a huge building with all sorts of things going on.

Well, conspiracy theory or not, and the Book of Mormon has no relevence in a scientific study, but this video does. I've seen it. And in one of the segments, a floor can be seen exploding just before the debris fall covers it up along with siemic evidence recorded at the same time as the buildings collapse. there were explosives involved and it was a controlled demolition. IMHO. And that's not cannabis dreams either. :jointsmile:

911 Eyewitness - Help find the Truth!

You can't form an accurate opinion based on a video! I was in lower Manhattan on the morning of 9/11, where I worked, a few blocks from the site of the WTC. My office building was evacuated, as were most others, and when I was going home I met an architect on the subway who told me that the towers would collapse, because they were built to go straight down in such an emergency - which is exactly what happened a short time later. He knew, and his prediction was exactly right. Here's some more things about Steven E. Jones, one of the most publicized and outspoken of the 9/11 theorists. I posted this a couple of years ago:


There's a lot more to the Steven E. Jones story. His main "influence" for his 9/11 theories was Sarah Mene, who claims to have had "visions" of the events of 9/11 beforehand. She's the author of a book called There is No Death. Her website is suspended, but you can still get a cache of it on:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=5

Jones' connection to Sarah Mene:
http://911truthseekers.gnn.tv/blogs/...t_MP3_Download
Professor Steven E. Jones, in his lecture, mentioned that he got involved in the 9/11 Truth movement after attending a lecture in Orem by Sarah Menet, the author of â??There Is No Death.â?� I was at that same lecture in May 2005. It was very motivational, mostly about preparing for disaster and events prophecied in The Book of Revelations. The lecture was directed towards a majority LDS audience, but was informative and enjoyable for all. You can read more about Sarah Menet at There Is No Death - The Story of Sarah Menet and in her book. Her story is very interesting, and as with the 9/11 Truth Movement, whether or not you believe her experience, itâ??s definitley worth looking into. Professor Jones said his wife dragged him out to this lecture and he didnâ??t know exatly what information would be presented. Near the end of her lecture Sarah talked about the government and corruption and that 9/11 was an inside job. That got Professor Jones wanting to learn more and he did; now he is a valuable asset to the 9/11 Truth Movement.
www.911truthseekers.org

From the (suspended) website, There Is No Death:
Sarah Menet was pronounced dead but she did not die. Her near death experience (NDE) is one of the most extensive ever recorded. Sarah not only visited the beautiful spirit world, describing the people, their dress, activities, and buildings; but she also visited what could be called "hell" and describes the torment of those committed to that terrible place. She also received answers to many questions such as:
*Why are terrible things allowed to happen to good people?
*Is there a purpose to life here on earth?
*Why is it important to treat others with respect?
*Is it important to be good?
*Is there such a thing as deja vu?
*Is there such a thing as reincarnation?
*What are some of the difficulties that may lie ahead for us on earth?

Sarah was also shown several future events. She saw tall buildings in New York collapsing amidst smoke and debris and people running years before 9/11. (Bold Mine). This was the beginning of other calamities which were to include a great plague suddenly striking several cities in the United States, a nuclear war, and other devastating events.

This happened to her because Sarah, after a lifetime of abuse, difficulty and disappointment, had sought oblivion and death by attempting suicide. She found that it is always wrong to take one's own life, as it frustrates the purposes of life and brings on difficulty and penalty in the world beyond. However, she learned that there are different degrees of seriousness of such actions. She emerged from her experiences with a changed heart, released from the pain and bitterness of abuse and failure and willing to forgive herself and others, something that had completely escaped her before her experience.

Even more evidence against the thermite theory of Jones and others,

Thermite and Sulfer- Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition]

From the above link, re Jones,
"Had he been just an average internet poster I would let this go as gross ignorance of how the scientific method works, but not a professor. I am left to draw no other conclusion than Steven Jones is purposely deceiving his flock or he has a serious mental disease. What other conclusion can a one draw? "

I'd say that either one or both of these conclusions are true.
B.A.

Sorry, but those towers were built to withstand that type of plane crash. Explosions. Watch the video and you will see what you missed on the streets of Manhattan. I believe in conspiracy theories like the conspiracy theory against cannabis perpetrated by the government as an act of domestic terrorism. So why wouldn't the scum bags blow up a building or two to further their aimes. even a blind man can see that we've been conned by our own. I don't trust the fucking government period. They have been known to lie often. :thumbsup:

There was molten metal under the tower's for week's...it was 3 times as hot as jet fuel burn's.I could go on and point out other shit that make's no sense,but we've all seen and heard it already.
The simple truth is that what happened that day, cannot be explained by a plane collision.hell a building that wasnt even hit by a plane fell like a professional demo.We cant believe the fire in that building was hot enough to melt steel,it's never happened before or since.


Dive:stoned:

the government may lie, but conspiracy theorists just outright make up ridicoulous nonsense, at least I'd say as often as the government.

Given the weakness of alot of the moonbats theories and evidence, I sadly have to throw my lot in with the government this time.

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Sorry, but those towers were built to withstand that type of plane crash. Explosions. Watch the video and you will see what you missed on the streets of Manhattan. I believe in conspiracy theories like the conspiracy theory against cannabis perpetrated by the government as an act of domestic terrorism. So why wouldn't the scum bags blow up a building or two to further their aimes. even a blind man can see that we've been conned by our own. I don't trust the fucking government period. They have been known to lie often. :thumbsup:

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Planes were not as big in the 1960's as they were by the 21st century. I've watched most all the 9/11 videos, and there's little more to see. If it was impossible, as you believe, then how could that man who I talked to on 9/11 have known that the buildings would pancake down, unless he was part of the conspiracy, in which case he would have kept his mouth shut? Ever notice that the overwhelming majority of these conspiracy people are from places other than New York City, where it happened: NYC, where 3,000 lives were lost as well as countless injuries, mental trauma and PTSD, job losses, and other economic problems were concentrated? If there was any chance in hell that these theories were true, New York City would be leading the pack to get justice. Instead, there's a pathetic little parade once in a while led by Alex Jones and his little band of disciples, most of whom are misinformed, disillusioned middle-class kids from far outside of New York City. But, they know better then we do. They're smarter. Yeah, right. I continued working in lower NYC for 5 more years after 9/11, and did not meet a single person who thought that anything but the planes brought down those buildings.

The 9/11 truthers are living in a fantasy world, as evidenced by their unyielding support for Steven Jones, and many other examples of erroneous research and belief systems that they've adopted. When, or if, they ever grow up they'll realize the folly they've been on.

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Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan

the government may lie, but conspiracy theorists just outright make up ridicoulous nonsense, at least I'd say as often as the government.

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I agree that conspiracy theorists make up a lot of shit. I would not dismiss that the overall point of these theories is true. Whenever there is a situation in which the general public is being lied to, there will be a lot of sketchy details. IMHO those towers were not destroyed without the U.S. government knowing about, however like any conspiracy theory a lot of shit gets made up to fill in the gaps of what we do not yet know. :thumbsup:

I've heard mixed things about the explosions, but you guys haven't talked about the WTC 7 building yet... no planes hit it, but it fell down from fires started by debris and the collapse of the 2nd tower??? So the 2nd WTC building falls down as it's designed to do so, and WTC 7 falls subsequently, was that designed for also? Sounds fishy to me, or maybe just piss-poor architecture. :wtf:

Alex Jones and others may not the most trustworthy source of information, but neither is the U.S. Government for that matter :jointsmile: If there is one thing I learned from living in the States, it's "Live long, trust no one."

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Originally Posted by Divestoned

We cant believe the fire in that building was hot enough to melt steel,it's never happened before or since.

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It isnt indeed... melting the kind of steel that is used in such buildings requires a LOT of heat (usually only reached at mettalurgic ovens) for a very long time... no gas flames (and much less an "usual" fire) would sustain this kind of heating for the amount of time needed to even soften the (usually huge) steel bars of the building.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Ever notice that the overwhelming majority of these conspiracy people are from places other than New York City, where it happened: NYC, where 3,000 lives were lost as well as countless injuries, mental trauma and PTSD, job losses, and other economic problems were concentrated?

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I think its exactly because of this... people from other cities (and even from other countries) did suffer much less than people from NY, so they could get a more impartial, rational, and less emotionally- charged picture of it.
One thing is to think "well... just another crazy government using dark means to reach their goals...", and another thing is to think "no, man... it was too horrible... our government just couldnt do this with us! it couldnt! it wouldnt! would?!?"...

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The 9/11 truthers are living in a fantasy world, as evidenced by their unyielding support for Steven Jones, and many other examples of erroneous research and belief systems that they've adopted. When, or if, they ever grow up they'll realize the folly they've been on.

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Its those who can't believe that elements of the governemtn did this that are in a fantasy world. Any real student of history knows that countries and governments have been betrayed and brought down from within numerous times through history. To believe otherwise is being foolhardy and ignorant. Just look at Dick Cheney's face and his actions and words. He and those he associates with would do it. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by gypski

Its those who can't believe that elements of the governemtn did this that are in a fantasy world. Any real student of history knows that countries and governments have been betrayed and brought down from within numerous times through history. To believe otherwise is being foolhardy and ignorant. Just look at Dick Cheney's face and his actions and words. He and those he associates with would do it. :jointsmile:

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So, a "real student of history" must agree with a nut job like Steven E. Jones, who came into this to foster the insanity of his religion and superstitions. It is disconcerting that some naive American kids buy into this, but history shows that there are often lunatic fringes who will believe anything, regardless of evidence to the contrary, as long as it isn't true and lets them feel like they are part of an enlightened group.

besides the towers, what about the pentagon? they say a plane crashed into it? the damage wasn't big enough, there was no damage to the ground where the plane crashed, they didn't dig up any of the ground the contain the jet fuel. i can go on and on.

why did osama bin ladens family have air clearance when no one else did afterwards? better yet, why were they being flown around by the federal govt? 9/11 was an inside job. you can believe what you want.

i was in the USMC when this all happened, stationed in okinawa japan (in the middle of a typhoon). 90% of my unit went to guam in case something went down. but it didn't until later on. can't remember, i EASd in Jan of '02. in Feb of '02 they put a stop-loss on many MOS' , including mine. i lost several friends over there.

the government has been lying to us since the beginning of time. i don't know why this is so hard to realize. wake up people.

like was said in harold and kumar escape guantonimo bay "you don't have to love your government, you only have to love your country."!

it is our job to sort through the bullshit and come to our own conclusions. if you want to be spoon fed then so be it.

and why would you leave the scene instead of staying to help out?!

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

So, a "real student of history" must agree with a nut job like Steven E. Jones, who came into this to foster the insanity of his religion and superstitions. It is disconcerting that some naive American kids buy into this, but history shows that there are often lunatic fringes who will believe anything, regardless of evidence to the contrary, as long as it isn't true and lets them feel like they are part of an enlightened group.

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Sorry but it appears you seem to be obsessed with Mr. Jones to such an extent that you are ready to discount every bit of scientific evidence. I, for one, am only the third person in the world to photograph (SEM) an individual RBC (red blood cell) on an archaeologically recovered stone tool from an actual indigenous butchering site. That site radio carbon dates to 1400 BP +/- a couple hundred years. The photo is in a thesis and I have it on disk. It defies what we are told about survivability, yet there it is. Watch the video, as Confusius said "a picture speaks a thousand words".

The science presented in the report supports the theory of controlled demolition.

And you've been told by the same government that marijuana, aka cannabis, is a dangerous drug that will make you crazy. You decide, I know what I believe and that is elements of our government and corporate businesses, along with others in society attempted to overthrow the constitutional government but failed because the couldn't fool everybody.

Just as the towers were set to comedown as they did, so was the financial market undermined for years to fail as it did. Without breaking everybody it couldn't be done. The boomers have been butt fucked. Those guilty have been stopped, but we still have to suffer both collapses to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we have treasonous scum amongst us. And they will pay the American way, their day is coming ever nearer. You will be amazed of the list of some of Americans most well known were parties to it all.

It wasn't all that long ago that the same interests tried it before and failed on another generation.

Now, I think I will go smoke a nice bowl of Purple Kush and feel secure in my beliefs. :jointsmile: :thumbsup:

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and why would you leave the scene instead of staying to help out?!

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The WTC area, on 9/11, was not a place where untrained personnel were needed, or wanted. Everybody in lower NYC was told to evacuate the buildings and go home. If they had not done this, and people had gone to the scene of the attack, there would have been more havoc and deaths. I would think that you'd know this, having been in the Marines.

i didn't say to go before the towers fell. i meant after the fact. and i'm pretty sure there were tons of untrained people there. i'm not attacking you personally. merely stating my opinion.

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Originally Posted by gypski

Sorry but it appears you seem to be obsessed with Mr. Jones to such an extent that you are ready to discount every bit of scientific evidence. Now, I think I will go smoke a nice bowl of Purple Kush and feel secure in my beliefs. :jointsmile: :thumbsup:

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You are the one who brought him up, not me!

I don't need to smoke a bowl of anything to know that Steven E. Jones is nuts.

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i didn't say to go before the towers fell. i meant after the fact. and i'm pretty sure there were tons of untrained people there. i'm not attacking you personally. merely stating my opinion.

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It was extremely unsafe after the towers fell with numerous fires, poisons in the air, the dead and wounded, people in shock, other dangerous conditions, etc. We did not need untrained volunteers because many experienced firefighters, cops, EMT workers, and more were coming in by the busload. It would have presented more liabilities and slowed their work down if they had allowed what you suggest.

how many firefighters and cops were there to start? the first reports were upwards of 10,000 dead. i'm pretty sure they would have taken volunteers, trained or not.

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Originally Posted by headshake

how many firefighters and cops were there to start? the first reports were upwards of 10,000 dead. i'm pretty sure they would have taken volunteers, trained or not.

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The city told people to stay away. We had thosands of volunteer PROFESSIONALS coming in from the Tri-State area, and beyond.

I did my part by going back to work in the financial district when the offices reopened the following week. We had to deal every day with airborne chemicals from Ground Zero, and with bomb and anthrax threats to our workplaces. This was not a walk in the park, for anybody in NYC at the time.

i understand. i have no idea how this affected new yorkers. like i said, i was not knocking you personally. just getting into a good debate. i see your point of view. can't say mine would have been the same, but that's me.

trust me i know all about bomb scares and anthrax (although i have had all 6 shots in the series to make you "immune" to anthrax. what's better is that congress discontinued the shots for more testing after i already had all 6. awesome!)

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i understand. i have no idea how this affected new yorkers. like i said, i was not knocking you personally. just getting into a good debate. i see your point of view. can't say mine would have been the same, but that's me.

trust me i know all about bomb scares and anthrax (although i have had all 6 shots in the series to make you "immune" to anthrax. what's better is that congress discontinued the shots for more testing after i already had all 6. awesome!)
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I'm sure that you would have tried to volunteer on 9/11, but I doubt that you would have gotten past the police barricades that were set up because random people, regardless of qualifications, were not being considered - the ones who got in were with departments associated with disaster management, medical, police and fire personnel, etc. This was the biggest emergency in the history of the United States. Even Israelis have said that they've never had anything even close to an attack or event of that magnitude

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The city told people to stay away. We had thosands of volunteer PROFESSIONALS coming in from the Tri-State area, and beyond.

I did my part by going back to work in the financial district when the offices reopened the following week. We had to deal every day with airborne chemicals from Ground Zero, and with bomb and anthrax threats to our workplaces. This was not a walk in the park, for anybody in NYC at the time.

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Just for the sake of argument, I never mentioned Jones, I just posted the article. Two, since these scientist have presented photographic evidence to support their theory based upon evidence from the scene. You said you were there. How can you prove that to all that you were actually there? Do you have a photograph? What supporting evidence do you have and can provide to support your assertion?

Not being critical or calling you a liar, just using the scientific method to validate your claims of being there on 911. Did you save any dust that had to have collected on you. Did you breath any dust in? Just a few questions that need to be answered to support your hypothisis of first hand participation.

And I smoked the bowl to relieve my pain. Physical in my arthritis, and mental to know that my country produces such scum that would carry out such a crime on its own citizens. I now wonder why there is such a frantic move to abolish the death penalty. These type of individual are afraid of death, but so willingly visit it upon others for financial gain. To hang by their necks is only fitting because we have become too civilized (sic) to draw and quarter them too and place parts of their bodies to rot in the east, west, north and south. That would not be cruel and unusual punishment in this case. :D

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Just for the sake of argument.......

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My friend, you are living in you own little world, and I'm sorry to say that nothing I could do would convince you that you're wrong. Your "scientist" is a complete crackpot, and I've posted enough evidence for that to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. If you choose to take him seriously, after seeing the proof, then it's beyond my capability to sway you.

I used to work in the WTC, and a few years after that I was across the street from the it when they bombed it, on February 26, 1993. We knew that they wanted to topple it then, and they eventually found a way to do accomplish this.

I did not breath much dust on 9/11 becuase I left before the buildings collapsed. In the weeks and months following, all of us down there breathed in dusty air from the scene, no doubt containing the atomized remains of victims.

Hopefully a moderator will do as I suggest, and move the topic into the Conspiracy forum, where it belongs.

Here's some photos taken by a friend a week or two after the attacks, from a nearby building in the complex. Many buildings in the area, even some blocks away, were no longer capable of being used.

I realize its difficult to accept the truth by some. I'm no crack pot, nor are the others that feel the same. It will be proved. I don't care what they do with the thread. I didn't turn it into a pissing contest. I believe Jones, et al regardless what you may believe. And I think this discussion is valid in light of all our government professes to be the truth. End of my comments on this. :jointsmile:

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I've heard mixed things about the explosions, but you guys haven't talked about the WTC 7 building yet... no planes hit it, but it fell down from fires started by debris and the collapse of the 2nd tower??? So the 2nd WTC building falls down as it's designed to do so, and WTC 7 falls subsequently, was that designed for also? Sounds fishy to me, or maybe just piss-poor architecture. :wtf:

Alex Jones and others may not the most trustworthy source of information, but neither is the U.S. Government for that matter :jointsmile: If there is one thing I learned from living in the States, it's "Live long, trust no one."

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8[/YOUTUBE]

Who cares what else the scientists say and did, (IT WAS SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN THAT THEY FOUND THERMITE) THAT SHIT DONT COME OUT OF NOWHERE!!! 100 percent sure Bush is a terrorist and needs to be 'water boarded' in a tub full of scorpions.