Ban On Same sex Marriage !!

so california prop 8 passed right...

I am a lesbian and I am proud to be who i am. My family and friends accept me and most of all i accept myself. I have a loving girlfriend who i have been with for over a year now. Im not going to lie i am totaly in love with her and if one day we decide we want to tie the knot.. its not possible anymore..

I think its cruel to take away peoples rights..

Straights have a 50% divorce rate.. their is no way we could make it any worse..

Well this is my opinion..

what do you think about it?
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I agree, it's disgusting. This is what religion does. Ironically the people who want to get married are initiating a religious ceremony.
Nevertheless, if they want to.... if you want to, you should be allowed to.
Is it possible to just go to another state, get married and come back? I'm pretty sure it is. But that shouldn't really be an issue in a sane, rational, science based world.

Or maybe you could just put rings on each other and say you're married.
I mean, is there actually any benefit of being recognised, by an irrational state, as married?

Also, if you haven't I recommend you watch the movie "Milk". About the gay rights activist Harvey Milk. I recommend it to all the gay people I know. Which is one not on the internet lol

Marriage is over rated... If I want to live with someone the rest of my life and love them, I don't need approval from anyone or any government. I'm straight and I side with both views. Marriage really is just some paperwork that has some legal/tax/insurance/monetary benefits. I think gay couples should be given the same rights as straight married couples but I don't think it makes it ok to change what our constitution defines "marriage" as. Love whatever color, sex, religion you want. This is like the abortion issue, I can understand both sides.:hippy:

I think its good stuff, protect marriage!!! And when does it end? Do we then say its ok to marry multiple people? animals? siblings? wtf.

I agree that marriage is nothing that special and mainly a legal issue but I think it is crazy to restrict that from gay/lesbian couples if they want it. Can't we just get over it already? I'm all for upholding the constitution but the constitution can be and has been interpreted in all different ways.

the only reason they ban same-sex marriage is because of religion. religion is big biz in america. what if that religion doesn't fit your views though? some people believe marriage is just a legal binding document, while some believe it is the union of two people under god.

i don't know about you but i know no god that would condemn you over love. and i fear no government that will impose their views on the masses.

witewash, do what makes you happy. if god doesn't have a sense of humor or can't take a joke f*ck him/her!!!

the true meaning of religion is to be a better person. yet people have been twisting and skiewing religion since it's inception.

how do they say jesus' birthday was december 25? it clearly states in the bible that jesus was born in march. could it possibly be because the two gods of the two major religions before christrianity both had birthdays on december 25th? it's much easier to get people to go along with you if there is a level of comfort involved.

i find it funny that the worlds (possibly) first known homosexual was also the first person to have the belief of montheism (from ancient egytpt, can't think of the name at the moment).

believe nothing, question everything.

if you want to pronounce your love and be as miserable as everyone else and have the same benefits of marriage, then go for it!!

america is going down in the very near future. look around, it's happening all around you. america, or no society for that matter, can or will last forever!!!

stay safe and be happy!!!

-shake

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Originally Posted by filo6942

I think its good stuff, protect marriage!!! And when does it end? Do we then say its ok to marry multiple people? animals? siblings? wtf.

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So what are you trying to do compare gays to animals? that's so stupid..

Why would two men or two woman marrying, covert people to start f**king their animals?? and their sister and brothers..

stupid post IMO

By the way this is a sensitive topic for me

I want the right to stand next to my lover in the hospital.. the right to claim her on my taxes.. I don't need a paper to tell me who i am committed to

i just want the benefits..:stoned:

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Originally Posted by filo6942

I think its good stuff, protect marriage!!! And when does it end? Do we then say its ok to marry multiple people? animals? siblings? wtf.

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this is the most ignorant thing i've read on this topic in a while. i myself take pride in being a gay man in a relationship that will be three years old on wednesday.

Multiple people? Animals, siblings? You act as though being gay is like being a different creature -- since when is homo hooked with fucking dogs and your brother? We live by the same exact rules and laws as you do, we love, we fuck, we love to fuck -- SAME as YOU. It's not like we're outside some privelidged fucking boundary that only straight people belong to, you thick headed know-nothing.

thanks Vej33 :thumbsup: I Agree completely

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Originally Posted by filo6942

I think its good stuff, protect marriage!!! And when does it end? Do we then say its ok to marry multiple people? animals? siblings? wtf.

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Why do you care so badly? They arenâ??t going to hurt you in anyway. It's a person right to live how they want to. It's exactly like cannabis, government says NO! Fuck the government, itâ??s my own body and I will choose what I want to do to my own body without putting anyone else in danger.

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Originally Posted by WiTeWaSh

i just want the benefits..:stoned:

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I am honestly indifferent on the subject, but that is one of the reasons I have heard people use in the opposition of it.

I don't disagree with your state though. I would agree it should not be up to the federal government. If one state wants to legalize it than great, you could move their or fight to change the views in your own state. It is an issue for each state to decide on their own though and if the majority of the population disagrees with it, you either need to accept it, peacefully try and change their views, or move to a state where it is allowed.

I say peacefully because the bigots are not the only ones who sometimes resort to violence on this issue.

Yeah that was a really stupid post filo.
If you want to look at it that way really, I could say "why the fuck would you want to allow straight people to marry, when does it end? Do we then say its ok for gay people to marry as well, to marry multiple people? animals? siblings? wtf."
You see what I mean?
Obviously we just have to draw the line somewhere and marriage between to human beings is the line.
For the more open minded, I doubt filo will agree with me anyway, so.... What is wrong with marrying a sibling or cousin? Seriously?
If you love your cousin or brother/sister, you're gonna love them. It doesn't matter if you marry them but it may make you happier if that's what you want.
But it's not gonna change the fact that if you have kids there's a high chance they'll be retarded. It doesn't MATTER!
The same applies to multiple people being married.

One of my religious friends said if gay marriage or polygamy was allowed then AIDS would spread everywhere. The argument is also the same for this. Why would it? Why? Gay people are going to keep having sex regardless of whether they are married or not. And probably with less people if they are married. Polygamists will be in multiple-person relationships whether they can get married or not. It happens already. Letting them get married can only make them a bit happier if that's what they want to do.
It's just a fucking right that people should have.

As for animals.... no. It's completely different. Animals cannot consent to marriage.
On a lighter note, they married two frogs in India to appease the rain gods a couple of weeks ago lol. There was flies and insects for dinner. haha :rastasmoke:

So what exactly does your constitution say about marriage anyway?

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Originally Posted by WiTeWaSh

so california prop 8 passed right...

I am a lesbian and I am proud to be who i am. My family and friends accept me and most of all i accept myself. I have a loving girlfriend who i have been with for over a year now. Im not going to lie i am totaly in love with her and if one day we decide we want to tie the knot.. its not possible anymore..

I think its cruel to take away peoples rights..

Straights have a 50% divorce rate.. their is no way we could make it any worse..

Well this is my opinion..

what do you think about it?

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I don't know where anybody got the idea that marriage is a "right". I don't care if straight or not, but marriage is not a right. The gov't should just get out of it completely, it is none of anybody's business. And I think "everybody should keep their sexual preference to themselves.
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Originally Posted by vej33

this is the most ignorant thing i've read on this topic in a while. i myself take pride in being a gay man in a relationship that will be three years old on wednesday.

Multiple people? Animals, siblings? You act as though being gay is like being a different creature -- since when is homo hooked with fucking dogs and your brother? We live by the same exact rules and laws as you do, we love, we fuck, we love to fuck -- SAME as YOU. It's not like we're outside some privelidged fucking boundary that only straight people belong to, you thick headed know-nothing.

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NO you are not SAME AS ME. You and your partner can't reproduce like myself and my partner.

Look, I am sorry stating my opinion hurt people's feelings, but this is a discussion board, and I don't appreciate your personal attack on me.


I am also very tired of trying to explain the reasoning behind a gay parade to my young cousins. This is would be even more difficult if they saw a gay couple getting married. I wouldnt know what to tell the poor kids.

so you wouldnt call what u just wrote a personal attack upon the gays??

hypocrite..


wouldnt know what to tell the poor kids?

get over urself..

the world is changing i suggest you change with it or just keep ur ignorance to urself..

it's one thing to state an opinion but to start comparing people to animals is a whole other level..

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Originally Posted by WiTeWaSh

so you wouldnt call what u just wrote a personal attack upon the gays??

hypocrite..


wouldnt know what to tell the poor kids?

get over urself..

the world is changing i suggest you change with it or just keep ur ignorance to urself..

it's one thing to state an opinion but to start comparing people to animals is a whole other level..

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As an unbiased observer, the guy above does make a decent point in one regard.

Have you never considered how the overly flamboyant acts harm the cause. It is one thing to walk in a parade as a form of pride, it is another to throw it into other peoples faces. When you have 100's of gay men and women dressed in nothing with their asses hanging out and playing grab ass in public, it only harms the argument gay's are fighting for. I never understood why when people wanted something they tend to throw it in the face of the establishment.

Lets face it, a lot of the activity you see in the gay pride parades is not normal and would be hard for many parents to explain to their children. Don't you feel it would be easier to change the mind of those who oppose it by not shoving your lifestyle in their face? That is neither productive nor beneficial to your cause.

I'm not saying you are one of those, however, wouldn't it be easier to first try and calm the extremist in your movement down before trying to confront the opposition? They only undermine everything you are trying to fight for.

I understand what ur saying.. I am open to public display.. But i dont sit their and kiss and grab my girls titties and ass in front of children. i have lil sisters and brothers i understand what your saying..

the men who have their asses hanging out in the parades are disgusting i agree completely.. i hate to see that because i feel its wrong and obscene but it doesn't have me judging the whole gay community based on a couple guys with their asses hanging out.

say You see me on the street you would never kno i was gay. i don't look gay i dont "dress" gay. im just me.

The parades are a way of expressing themselves and yes some become over expressive but in the every day life we don't run around with our asses hanging out...

just regular people.. we watch movies, we eat, we can read, we have feelings, and we care.

i dont have children of my own, but i have a lot of siblings from age 2 to age 13.

i dont believe in public display in front of children, not just for gays but for anyone..

i see your point jagged. but i've also seen will & grace. if they can put a flamboyant homosexual on primetime television, then people can explain to their kids about being gay.

and you are right about not openly throwing it in the face of the "system". it doens't make sense. too often people think with emotion and not rationality. it's no different than a church being bigots. all it does is strengthen the other sides argument.

all of this from a county that was founded on religious freedom. just like anything else, religion has been taken and twisted to fit a certain groups beliefs. does that mean that it's right? obviously not, hence the different denominations and religions themselves.

just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong!!!


-shake

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Originally Posted by WiTeWaSh

I understand what ur saying.. I am open to public display.. But i dont sit their and kiss and grab my girls titties and ass in front of children. i have lil sisters and brothers i understand what your saying..

the men who have their asses hanging out in the parades are disgusting i agree completely.. i hate to see that because i feel its wrong and obscene but it doesn't have me judging the whole gay community based on a couple guys with their asses hanging out.

say You see me on the street you would never kno i was gay. i don't look gay i dont "dress" gay. im just me.

The parades are a way of expressing themselves and yes some become over expressive but in the every day life we don't run around with our asses hanging out...

just regular people.. we watch movies, we eat, we can read, we have feelings, and we care.

i dont have children of my own, but i have a lot of siblings from age 2 to age 13.

i dont believe in public display in front of children, not just for gays but for anyone..

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As I said, I didn't think you sounded like someone who acted like that. I'm simply trying to point out where a lot of the distain is coming from. No, obviously all gay people are not the extreme, but the ones who are breed distain from the opposition.

The point is merely, that yes, celebrating your way of life is one thing, but particularly in San Francisco, it has turned into a public display of debauchery (sp).

The reason it has many condoning the whole gay community though, is that very few within in it come out and say anything about those acts. It has to the point where I feel many in your community try and disgust people, as if to say, "I told you so, their all ignorant bigots who are disgusted by our lifestyle." I think a lot of them take the whole, "except me how I am thing to far."

I highly doubt the majority are like the extremes, however I can see the oppositions fear, when very few within the gay community speak about the debauchery in public and fail to ridicule the members who are doing it.

My only point is this, I honestly feel the gay pride parades in San Fran only harm everything you are fighting for, at least in the way they are now. If it were a bunch of people acting "normal" their probably wouldn't be as much back lash, instead I get the impression, many try and act as perverse and abnormal as possible in order to make a statement. The statement has been heard loud and clear however, and it does not resonate well with the general population.

If they acted that way at private parties it would be one thing, but in a public display it is a completely different matter.

By the way, I'm not talking about holding your partners hand or kissing them passionately in public, I'm talking about the specific acts that border on the pornographic and the members who purposefully try as hard as they can to not conform at all.

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Originally Posted by headshake

i see your point jagged. but i've also seen will & grace. if they can put a flamboyant homosexual on primetime television, then people can explain to their kids about being gay.

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I'm not talking about flamboyant in the sense of jack (was that his name) on Will and Grace. I'm simply talking about the flamboyant and risqué behavior that often occurs in these public gatherings.

i understand jagged. and i agree. i would assume (you know what that leads to) that gay's wouldn't want straights doing the same types of things out in public or at parades to celebrate our straightness.

good conversation though!

-shake

I am all for gay marriage, and i say that as a straight male. The way I see it is that over the past 3000 years marriage has been redefined so many times and its just a matter of time before it is extended to gays. This is a very taboo subject and I dont see the government telling homosexuals that they can't get married any different than anti-miscegenation laws that prohibited interracial marriages in the 1800's- early 1900's.

I am all for gay marriage. i have been a lesbian for as along as i can remember. its hard growing up with people who dont accept you and once you have passed all those barriers you come to realize that most your country and the world doesn't accept you. We dont wake up one day and ask to be gay we just simply are. I understand what your saying jagged and i agree i think the gays in san fran are making it worse with them parading around the way they do. I personally have never been to a gay parade in san fran but i have gone in La and Long Beach and it is nothing like that. I dont think the parades have been that way for along time now.. Well the ones iv been to..

pro marriage for gays..

yea I understand what ur sayin jagged..

sry i misunderstood :jointsmile:

My partner and I have been together for 9 years. I'm lucky enough to live in a state that while they don't allow same sex marriage, they do allow domestic partnership.

As far as the flamboyant folks, what about the flamboyant straights? Cheerleaders anyone? There is enough T and A shown at sporting events to make a person dizzy! And what about all the sex straights have in advertising, tv shows, movies etc? Flamboyancy is NOT restricted to the gay world.

Public displays of affection? Well mild doesn't bother me, but overt, groping, doing the nasty in public makes me ill no matter if it's gay or straight.

Straights claim they don't need a parade to show their pride...EXACTLY! They don't need a parade because they are allowed, without fear of anything happening to them, to be straight in public.

Folks, you can't have it both ways. Either I'm a citizen with all the rights and responsibilities of a citizen ( not talking about those that have lost their rights due to being convicted of crimes and serving prison time) or I'm not a citizen and shouldn't have to pay taxes, vote, etc etc etc.

And being gay does not automatically mean you want to commit incest, poligamy or bestiality for fucks sake!:mad:

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Originally Posted by Wolf420

As far as the flamboyant folks, what about the flamboyant straights? Cheerleaders anyone? There is enough T and A shown at sporting events to make a person dizzy! And what about all the sex straights have in advertising, tv shows, movies etc? Flamboyancy is NOT restricted to the gay world.

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If you couldn't understand what I was talking about, I'm not going to explain it again.

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Public displays of affection? Well mild doesn't bother me, but overt, groping, doing the nasty in public makes me ill no matter if it's gay or straight.

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Agreed

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Straights claim they don't need a parade to show their pride...EXACTLY! They don't need a parade because they are allowed, without fear of anything happening to them, to be straight in public.

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Again, you missed the point entirely. The things that occur at the parades only cause harm to your movement. I don't see how that is complicated.

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Folks, you can't have it both ways. Either I'm a citizen with all the rights and responsibilities of a citizen ( not talking about those that have lost their rights due to being convicted of crimes and serving prison time) or I'm not a citizen and shouldn't have to pay taxes, vote, etc etc etc.

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Yes, you are a citizen and you currently have equal rights. You have the right to marry a member of the opposite sex, exactly as all other Americans. We could argue over this matter for decades, so I will not respond further on this subject, however, if you disagree I will let you get the last word.

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And being gay does not automatically mean you want to commit incest, poligamy or bestiality for fucks sake!:mad:

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Yeah, I don't exactly know what he was getting at, but I certainly agree with you there. :wtf: