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Those funny senior citizens and their wacky tobacky
DWR: Sunday, March 8, 2009
Man Killed by Deputies
Serving Marijuana-Related Warrant Identified
Tim King Salem-News.com Mar-07-2009
A warrant for pot charges served at 10:30 p.m. on the rural Mulino home of two senior citizens led to the police shooting of one.
(CANBY, Ore.) - Three days have passed since a man was shot to death by deputies in Canby over marijuana related arrest warrants. He has been identified as 68-year old Hubert Henkel.
80-year old Marjorie Frances Crawford was arrested on a warrant for charges she and Mr. Henkel were both wanted for, relating to growing, possessing and providing cannabis to another person.
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"A lot of people grow their pot on federal or state land... to avoid the forfeiture crap... Most rig booby traps around their fields to thwart interlopers, cleverly designed pits with sharpened stakes to impale unwanted visitors or shotguns aimed low to blow off legs and other nethermost parts when a trip wire is triggered. If you need help in designing efficient booby traps, give me a call and I'll send you a pamphlet outlining several UL Approved traps that have sucessfully ensnared and routed thousands of marauding narcs and do-gooders."
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- Richard Milhouse Nixon
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Thirty years ago the United States came to a critical juncture in the drug war. A Nixon-appointed presidential commission had recommended that marijuana use not be a criminal offense under state or federal law. But Nixon himself, based on his zealous personal preferences, overruled the commission's research and doomed marijuana to its current illegal status. This newly revealed information comes from declassified tapes of Oval Office conversations from 1971 and 1972, which show Nixon's aggressive anti-drug stance putting him directly at odds against many of his close advisors.
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Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing
There is nothing new about these murders. Hubert's body and Marjorie's soul. The "meth" problem will be thrown into the heap as usual, even though many gunuts driving rigs are popping black beauties and turn arounds. Bikers never had the problems the news spouts today. It should with out a doubt sicken the hearts of every red blooded American. But I can show you a large list of victims and it seems the hobgoblins will pass it by the headlines and the gunut dittos, handity o'really faux newts will commend the brave deputies and push for accommodations for saved us from heathen druggie Americans.
Rainbow Farm hasn't been investigated since a week before 911. I'm just saying the 2nd Amendment isn't alone and it won't stop bullets from cops until the people say it can and adhere to all of the Bill of Rights for all of the people. I'm all for a well regulated militia and not a state controlled National Guard sent Internationally to Police Actions where profits are legal after Mission Accomplished removed the "War". Or anti-American American terrorists burning crosses or thumping bibles while keeping their kids from insulin or making them kiss rattlesnakes. Bombing clinics to save the fetus while more are aborted on cotton and cattle fud than Roe v Wade ever could. I have never ask for stupid prohibitions of any kind outside of personal pocket rockets wmd's and nukes.
Free the prostitutes, poker junkies, poppies, buttons, shrooms and stoners and let the gunuts have guns and suds, and the NRA can rot in hell for mandatory minimum sentencing and the Unions siding with pisstasters and Sikorsky dropping agent green on innocent farmers or CAT bulldozing Jewish chicks.
Klogog plastering cardboard food and sugar on kids and Waldomart chinese sweatshops with kids sewing Iraqi crude plastic into mini rw&b symbols rednecks can spasm at the kids they're sending to the dessert to die for Boosh lies stashing cash for Haliburton, Dyncorps and Chevron.
Corporatist Prohibitionists like the ones decaled on the left turn NAScrats pushing the kid safety crap like the DARE Gates propaganda breeding new Ganja worriers and soccer moms and log cabin bonzo fans banning hand guns. Buzzwords set the mood and prejudice. Gangs Guns Marijuana Militia all serve a purpose in dividing the people maintaining dysfunction for profit and taxes.
When the courts get rid of the moneysluts we can think about Justice. Until then the lawyers will play their games and the jury will follow the judges instructions to eliminate any change in the following years prison industry profits.
Gunuts have more of a problem with stoners than visa versa and less Amendments taken away. While many flag jerkers boast of protecting the second, sometimes part of the first while the other half doesn't concern them when its a Rastafarian religion using Ganja Sacramentally. Or Free Speech on TV playing the missing Nixon tapes? That is a joke, many gunuts pray for censorship. And censor content on their forums.
If they post anything about reality outside of their own box. They holler about the 10th Amendment and states rights until it comes to Buyers Clubs and personal use. Libertarians are as myopic as the Walldo Street Banksters excluding environmental liberties, taken with dioxins and pcbs from cotton cropdusting. Not used on hemp. Cutting trees for cellulose is a waste compared to hemp. Same with tensile strength, leaving trees to clean the water and air. Not horowitless Home Despots when their not roll playing as the Keating 5 with John McCain and Kneel Boosh.
Hemp can replace ffertilizers, herbicides and pesticides all sold by suits and ties, and aerate the soil but for one big fat Nexxon LIE. Gunuts probably voted for the bastard and sat on the gung ho side of the Nam Scam. Pushing what they're told to make a buck the same as the loggers the same as the oil riggers the same as the truckers, coal miners, steel workers and strip miners.
The War Brokers , white powder "western" disease treaters and the crud asphalt road paver half assing the job with it going into the streams leaving potholes to fill with the same damn thing. Self sustaining communities would lessen the road use, many alternatives the oil boys don't want and the gunuts fighting the only dissidents.
All of the products made by these "workers" can be made with hemp. Jobs won't change making the stuff but these are Libertarian no no's to discuss. Isolationists like Dobbs and Hearst spewing venom on the open wounded. Until the Harry Browne RIP, stock brokers see the damage they cause selling these commodities, personal Liberty will be taken and treated by the same chemical companies selling Pharmaceuticals. We have to separate the thistle from the vine.
Before fossil fools we had organics. Before tree paper we had hemp. Before cotton we had canvas and we could again if the blue collar gunuts and donuts thought less about the crude oil plastic red white and blue banner wrapped around them and more about the Constitution they're helping burn voting in these GOPerverts, Demonizers and Tunnel Vision Eurocrats trying to bring us back to King George.
Life is a pre-requisite of Liberty, Liberty, is a pre-requisite of any chance to pursue Happiness. Then many forget about the pre-requisite of Life, Human Rights, including shelter, food, clothing and health care. All provided by Ganja and Hemp, Outlawed so it wouldn't be.
Just the way its supposed to be for those not living on a paycheck. A trillion spent arresting Ganja users since 1937 is a trillion earned and much of it taxed. We pay it, someone gets it and they don't really want gunuts and stoners agreeing.
But the "protectors" are a product of all of our elected representatives and indoctrinator's pushing programmed news and school books. I may not respect them for their blind obedience and violent protocol but I can't blame them for our policy. Ours do to the fence sitters and those handing their rights and privileges to the status weird Industrialist. Corporatists running this fucking Ganjawar. Take that fire ya got and stick it under the butts of Oregonians. Have another weekend Barter Fair!
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Coward or martyr...?
"Aware of these existing arrest warrants -- On March 4th, at 10:30 p.m., two uniformed Clackamas County Sheriff's Office Patrol Deputies responded to this residence located at 13262 S. Macksburg Road, to arrest the two known occupants identified as Marjorie Crawford and Hubert Henkel."
"As a result of this arrest effort, the two Sheriff's deputies identified themselves and were confronted at the front door by Hubert Henkel; who was discovered to be armed with a firearm, non-compliant and pointing his firearm in a threatening fashion directly at each of the two Deputies."
Strovink says the deputies were presented with an "armed and threatening encounter". Mr. Henkel was fatally shot and died at the scene.
The extents you go, to "prove" your points...seems a tad tangental to the actual situations. In virtually every paragraph, of every post, you tell us how all peoples in a given demographic are either way or another. You have got to be the most biggoted member I've ever read in these forums, yet you take pride in the ignorance. Remarkable.
This Oregon moron missed his court date, resulting in the warrant. Sheriff's went to the home to serve the warrant, and the idiot answers the door with a firearm. Twasn't cannabis that got him dead...twas his suicide-by-cop that leaves his wife to cary the burden. What...was he in hopes they'd kill his unarmed wife in the exchange...?
He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.
To the mods...is there a site policy against discussing meds other than cannabis, or not? If there is...why allow this to continue unabated, and why is there even a forum to discuss "meaningful drug policy reforms"? If not, then why do the posting rules state otherwise?
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
...given demographic are either way or another.
Should have read "either one way or another..."
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[quote=Rusty Trichome] Rustbucket is the only Coward
The law is a lie and you are a sheep. Your opinion means less than the sound of the tiolet flushing. Nothing new to see here folks. baa baa
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Thought I'd add this scum to my list and pass it around...
This Oregon moron missed his court date, resulting in the warrant. Sheriff's went to the home to serve the warrant, and the idiot answers the door with a firearm. Twasn't cannabis that got him dead...twas his suicide-by-cop that leaves his wife to cary the burden. What...was he in hopes they'd kill his unarmed wife in the exchange...?
He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.
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Daniel March 10, 2009 10:29 pm (Pacific time)
Tim any more details on the story , such as how far away were the officers when they shot ? How many times was Mr Henkel shot , did both officers shoot, did Henkel fire back ? How were the officers dressed ? Any statement from the 80 yr old women ? Has she gotten legal representation ? Thanks
john March 10, 2009 2:49 pm (Pacific time)
those poor people were killed for growing a plant for someone else. think about it. the war on drugs is an out of control war that should not even exist. it's a health issue, not a criminal issue.
Nick March 10, 2009 1:38 pm (Pacific time)
You know who else shows up on elderly peoples door steps at night with guns? Home invaders. Let that be a lesson to you old SOB's. If it's night time and you get a knock at the door just risk the beating and robbery. Otherwise, the police might murder you.
Wolfy March 9, 2009 10:40 pm (Pacific time)
This is another example of the failure of the war on drugs. It is interesting that there are pro drug warriors who conclude that the officers "were just doing their jobs."
Not all laws are just. The people who defended the right of people to own slaves used the same exact excuse: The laws allow slavery so officials are just doing their jobs when they return escaped slaves to their owners. The law enforcement system is intellectually and morally bankrupt (and so are the supporters of these officers).
Fidelity March 9, 2009 4:07 pm (Pacific time)
Mr. King, you end the article with a precarious line. You should expand upon it, knowing as a Vet, like myself, the possible medicinal uses of marijuana for people with PTSD. Speak out, you already serve your country in so many ways, who could criticize you? What ever your feelings are on the subject, now is a great time for a dialog. Oregon has a Medical Marijuana Program, at their age, I'm sure they would have qualified for a card if only they would have pursued one. If our police were reasonable, this would have ended differently. This is just another causality of the War On Drugs, a war that costs us billions of dollars, erodes our liberties under the guise of protecting "the greater good", and allow police to kill needlessly and be justified. Prohibition must end for us to live in a society where we can trust the police.
Anonymous March 9, 2009 9:43 am (Pacific time)
What is this world coming to? People are shot by police for growing a plant that God placed on this earth. The police have to answer on this one and not slap the hands of the killer.
Anonymous March 9, 2009 9:41 am (Pacific time)
This is a sickening story and I soncerely hope the cops are taken to task. They chose to execute the plan this way and in turn executed an Oregonian.
Nathan Fish March 9, 2009 9:02 am (Pacific time)
This is a horrible misdeed, and it should never have happened. If you all truly care about this issue, please DO SOMETHING: *Sign a Petition:* http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Leg...bis-in-America http://www.thepetitionsite.com/30/legalize-marijuana *Write Your Representatives:* U.S. Senate: Senators Home https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml *Organize:* www.mpp.org-Marijuana Policy Project www.norml.org-National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws www.ssdp.org-Students for Sensible Drug Policy We the people can win this "war on drugs"! All we need to do is let our voices be heard. Do not fear revealing yourself for a user or a supporter-in this country our speech is still free! Don't let them take this freedom of conscience away from us!
Red Green March 9, 2009 7:43 am (Pacific time)
Outrageous and continuing war on some drugs. Bad timing, bad execution(no pun intended) and a bad result. Clackamas needs a recall of a bad sheriff's dept.
k March 8, 2009 10:40 pm (Pacific time)
found this and though I would share, seems to be quite relevent (note the date posted) Rob Kremer: Clackamas County Sheriff's Office
Mel B. March 8, 2009 10:17 pm (Pacific time)
What I want to know is if these two had the opportunity to back up and call for more deputies. Funny how in Marion County they often solve these things without a dead body where in Clackamas and Yamhill there is more of a shoot and kill policy. There is blood on the hands of this agency and it is hard to think that they won't have the shooting deemed 'justified' when in reality, it never should have happened.
Jeff March 8, 2009 9:54 pm (Pacific time)
I feel much safer knowing that these elderly farmers are no longer terrorizing their community by growing plants. What kind of a country would we live in if we didn't arrest an 80 year old woman for growing plants after having killed her husband in a violent confrontation instigated by the state? Sure, we could just leave senior citizen farmers alone and let them grow plants if they want to. Maybe that way people wouldn't have to buy marijuana supplied by violent mexican drug cartels. No, scratch that. Killing seniors and letting our drug war destabilize Mexico makes infinitely more sense.
gail March 8, 2009 8:24 pm (Pacific time)
were either of the cops involved suffering from post Iraq brutality syndrome. My theory is that the more vets we have returning from a lawless war zone, the more we will see them entering the police force and the more we will see of this type of thing. Our poor GI's are not all brutal murderers but they have lived under the auspices of a government which has allowed war crimes as standard operating procedure.
RP March 8, 2009 7:01 pm (Pacific time)
These were two deputies doing their job. They went to a house and announced themselves as police officers. They were confronted by a man waiving a gun at them. What would you like them to do? Mabey they could wait and see if he would shoot them before returning fire. Its amazing how people sit in their cozy little houses and monday morning quarterback people who put themselves in harms way every day for others.
Tim King: Bad call RP. You are obviously of the persuasion that if a cop did it, it must be OK. You aren't fooling anyone around here. I was careful in the article to present it in a fair way. I have a lot of respect for the deputies in Clackamas. That isn't the point. You, and anyone else taking this POV, will fail to address why it is OK to go banging on elderly people's front doors at 10:30 p.m. instead of coming around during at least daylight hours; even early morning. Old people can't always see as well as young people. Besides, how many crooks claim to be police while they get ready to invade a home? I'd like to see the stats. Oh wait, everything that happened is OK because they were marijuana users, is that it? Nice that you are able to skim over a loss of life so easily, I can't. Getting a big war going here over an article will not help anyone.
Vic March 8, 2009 8:07 am (Pacific time)
Craig Roberts has overseen the most trigger-happy bunch of thugs in Clackamas County's history. He needs to live in fear for his life, as the residents of Clackamas County do.
Osotan; March 8, 2009 6:34 am (Pacific time)
yes, the details from investigation are crucial,keep this one alive Sgt.King
Daniel March 7, 2009 6:55 pm (Pacific time)
Sounds as if Mr Henkel was coming to see who was coming so late and had a gun with him for protection , and was shot . Tim how many times was Mr Henkel shot and was it from both officers , did he fire back ? I think this will be a major lawsuit . Did they want to serve the warrant before this poor couple died of old age and illness ? Another causality in the foolish pot wars .
Tim King: Daniel, I will be learning more Monday morning, I understand how this leaves people with an unsettling feeling. Thanks for writing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.
true, at any first glance a man holding a weapon could be a coward
at any second glance a man holding a weapon whilst two guns are trained on him is anything but cowardly.. unless you consider no fear of death to be something other than brave heh..
Peace :)
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The trouble with rustbucket cowards giving up their rights appeasing the piggies.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
absolutely appalling
joc â?˘ 3/9/09; 12:17:50 AM #
as I read I become more disgusted. Marjorie is (or recently was) a volunteer with Foster Grandparents and has 5 grandchildren and 3 great-grandchildren. In one of the articles a neighbor described Hubert as "the hardest working man I know." Not only do mainstream, middle class folks smoke pot, they can now get shot for it. That is not exactly my preferred version of equal opportunity...
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 12:39:43 AM #
I'm just sick that someone else has died because of cannabis prohibition. The prohibition of the non lethal plant causes deaths... many of them. It's not worth it and it's wrong. Why can't the prohibitionists see that?
Hope â?˘ 3/9/09; 1:03:09 AM #
There is no justification for this kind of police state action. Cops just like to shoot people. that's why they're cops.
exileguy â?˘ 3/9/09; 1:12:07 AM #
And now the "forfeiture crap" can commence. Looks like the ol'fella had quite a spread. At least he died on his feet and they did'nt kill the dogs. What type of idiot serves a warrant at 10:30pm? How bad can it get?
Old Hippie â?˘ 3/9/09; 10:06:51 AM #
more (still unverified, but I trust my source) on the shooting. Police fired at least 13 shots. 80 year old Marjorie Crawford's "unrelated medical problem" was from a tear gas canister through her bedroom window. I will update as I get confirmation of these as yet unkowns.
And DdC... love that 2nd Amendment Kevlar quote!
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 12:30:50 PM #
The 13 bullets and tear gas came from a news story... comments from Crawford's daughter.
Family ID's Man Killed By Deputies - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 1:56:51 PM #
Thanks Allan I've been thinking about it a while. The first Fox boards, the Conservative something forums and the Freepers before I was banned all had gunutz. One track minds and couldn't see the relation to controlled substances. I tried to warn them the Pot laws came out of the Tommy Gun laws and they could reverse it anytime.
I was raised a hunter in western Pa. Lots of Pittsburgh cops taught me my first environmentalism, cleaning the area and leaving the woods as clean as I found them etc.
When they would cut loose on those hunting trips I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. Cops with notches on their belts and scars from getting knifed and telling jokes like a pro comedian. I was about 14 and only started finding my way. I remember we had a hunting bus decked out with bunk beds and fridge the same time Keasey and the Pranksters were truckin around the country. There was a bus but I was told to stay in our bus while the grown ups talked to these "hippies". When I met Keasey I forgot to ask him. Can't remember if it was the Furthur bus, around 1966. Tom Wolfe electric kool aid acid test, book had a chapter where Keasey went to NY to meet Leary and it would have passed through this town on the interstate, but I don't know.
So I'm no stranger to guns and I'm not afraid of them. I don't agree with banning them but I always tried to tell these forum freepers that the 2nd amendment couldn't stop a bullet and just because you have the right to bare arms doesn't mean a cop with a warrant is going to listen. Case in point. The Ganja law is a lie and should be held responsible and all the members pushing it should be caged. But, a little common sense may have been the smarter move in this case.
Wielding a shotgun, right or wrong will always get you shot. Tom and Rollie found out the hard way. If it ain't your last stand then put the gun down and fire up a doobie. Might as well go to the pokey stoned than the morgue.
DdC â?˘ 3/9/09; 3:08:50 PM #
amen brother... amen...
But my suspicion is that Hubert thought he might have intruders...
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 5:39:17 PM #
This all happened about 30 miles from where I live. Canby has a huge meth problem, but apparently that wasn't the issue here. Thankfully, on Sunday, the Oregon Attorney General (within the same county that this incident happened) said at a town hall meeting that he's very interested in reforming the criminal justice system, even if that means legalizing marijuana.
DdC, look at Google Map where these people live. Owning a firearm in that part of Oregon is almost a requirement for safe living and pest control. It's my understanding that the SWAT team took 45 minutes to get there, imagine if there was a home invasion, the owner of the house would have to depend on their firearms for their life. Read the Cato Institute report "Overkill", home invasions happen more frequently then most people would like think, sometimes by people pretending to be police officers. If someone was banging on my door at 10:30 at night, I'd have my AR-15, police uniform or not, if someone kicks through my door I'm shooting first, asking questions later. The police could arrest people at the grocery store, or pull them over on the side of the road, or several other ways besides kicking in the door. It's the police's fault for being so reckless, not the fault of someone trying to defend their home.
Fidelity â?˘ 3/9/09; 5:44:22 PM #
Fidelity... where did you get that statement from the Oregon AG? A source/link would be good if you have it. Always can use news quotes like that!
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 7:11:23 PM #
I checked Google and nothing on - "John Kroger" marijuana - I know the Arizona AG made remarks along those lines.
allan â?˘ 3/9/09; 7:22:06 PM #
It was in person at a Portland town hall meeting, nor was that a direct quote but more of a summary of his position.
Fidelity â?˘ 3/9/09; 9:53:55 PM #
You could try Abbie at Oregon's NORML. Someone there might have gotten a direct quote written down, but it doesn't look like it from their website, and they didn't look particularly sober.
Fidelity â?˘ 3/9/09; 9:57:02 PM #
Oh I appreciate the need for protection from the "protectors" Fidelity. Now as far as reciting CATO and Overkill lol, Is there one post I've posted in the past 10 years on this and hundreds of forums that would remotely suggest I would in any way shape or form side with brutal SWAT Nazi Americans? Geeeezus do you have the wrong number. I've been passing the story since I heard it... Nice to read a real firm grasp of the obvious while simultaniously missing the point of why he was butchered. It had nothing to do with the deputies. They just pulled the triggers.
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Gotta love your last-minute edits to your posts. Your games are becoming almost fanatical. Say what you mean, then leave it for all to see. Your action shows who is the coward.
So your only defense to criticism is to lash-out, and call everybody that is intelligent enough to see through your rantings... "cowards", "fascists", "gunnuts"...
Seems you aren't here to advocate for anything but the destruction of everything you've been foolishly taught to hate. Pitiful such drive and persistance is accompanied by neurosis and childishness.
Rather than stealthily asking them through the "report post' feature, I'm going to man-up and say...
HEY MODS:
Should I report these posts, or respond in kind? I'm ready, willing and able to take this down to his level, but I was under the impression that this habitual harassment against other members was forbidden. If not...count me in as I have an axe or two to grind.
Also...how is this guy so special that he's permitted to flaunt multiple site rules unabated? About a year ago I get an infraction and temporary ban for telling another member he should smoke less crack, but this joker comes along ranting the benefits of hate and illicit drugs, and has yet to be inspired to accomodate your rules. What's up with that?
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You can sputter here with your butt buds but your cowardly drools don't seem to get the same reactions on the thousands of forums this gets sent too.
Now your booby kin can ban me for answering your ad hominem unsubstanciated dribble. Man up? Boy your a wimpy nark, why would you pretend to not turn in posts. Post that show your a fool make good fodder on other forums. Keep em coming bozo. Wasting time and spewing silly opinions is your life. I care less about this place, just another stop on the paper route. I care even less than I do about the maggots living here. This is but one in a million places to post. Boring as hell and lapdogs wearing plastic Ganja leaves just bore me more.
goferit putz.
"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast."
-- Ronald Reagan - Former President
* Dr. Heath/Tulane Study, 1974
Jack Herer - Chapter 15
The Hype: Brain Damage and Dead Monkeys
In 1974, California Governor Ronald Reagan was asked about decriminalizing marijuana. After producing the Heath/Tulane University study, the so-called "Great Communicator" proclaimed, "The most reliable scientific sources say permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana." (L.A. Times)
* The Facts: Suffocation of Research Animals
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DdC222
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Ahhh...but by extention, does this give him the right to wave his gun at the police?
The fourth ammendment rights were not ignored, discarded or pushed-aside. The warrant was legal, and was legally served.
It is sooo like your type to dismiss the personal responsibility issues this raises as nothing more than big brother stormtroopers conspiring to blow this fuckers head off. Unsound reasoning, misleading and factually inaccurate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DdC222
What is this world coming to? People are shot by police for growing a plant that God placed on this earth. The police have to answer on this one and not slap the hands of the killer.
No, he was shot for waving a gun at police. He got what he obviously wanted, and I gurantee the cop will have a full clip, the next time he's on patrol. :thumbsup:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DdC222
Wasting time and spewing silly opinions is your life. I care less about this place, just another stop on the paper route. I care even less than I do about the maggots living here. This is but one in a million places to post. Boring as hell and lapdogs wearing plastic Ganja leaves just bore me more.
goferit putz.
Quite a defining statement.
Silly opinions...possibly. However, I believe it's a far cry better than being disillusioned and incapable of kindness and compassion. It's better than spending many hours a day posting inaccurate, outdated and misleading dribble in a vain attempt to show the world your anger. Does it make you feel better sitting in your parents basement, inventing full-page ads (in other people's words) espousing your support of ignorance? Does it make you feel good to hear from others, that you are a shallow island in the sea of global warming? (you're sinking fast)
But that's ok...I don't like you much either. But I would welcome you to my church anytime, as it's never too late to grasp positive change. :thumbsup:
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Homeland Security Hearings on the Drug War
DWR: Pete Guither Saturday, March 7, 2009
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security is planning hearings on southern border violence (ie, the drug war).
And now there are some House Hearings as well that may come up in the next week as well. Commenter Pat Rogers is all over this on his blog, along with providing lists of House Committee Members and Senate Homeland Security Committee members.
I've got to say that at first glance, the makeup of these Homeland Security Committees is pretty horrible. Chairman Lieberman? Pryor, Coburn, McCain, Burris? And Souder in the House? These are names unlikely to demonstrate even a glimmer of intelligence regarding the drug war.
Souder Illusion: Drug Sentencing Reform Ax
Souder Orders to FDA Backfiring!
A Lie College Students Might Want To Tell
McCain Should Know The Truth
Gang Violence in Canada Linked to Mexico Drug Wars
Sinister Drug War Propagandists will stoop to any low level as evident in this World War 2 Era Political Cartoon from the Buffalo Courier-Express equating Marijuana with Nazism.
- Daily Koz by redstatehatemonitor Wed Sep 19, 2007
Drug Death, Thy Name is Hershey's
Saturday, December 1, 2007
"Drop the Ice Breakers and step away from the car."
It would've been mildly amusing had it had been satire. After searching the story to see if it was intended to be a humor piece, "
Mint or Drug: Is Hershey's Cracked?" by Jill Porter, Philadelphia Daily News, one is overcome by a sadden resignation.
Have drug alarmists no shame? This is unintended humor from a usual source. They've now settled their focus on a familiar group of law-breakers: Hershey's. The offending candy? Ice Breakers that are so similar to crack cocaine in appearance that--what?
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Reaction to drug warriors' next target?
"My point of view, while extremely cogent, is unpopular.... That the repressive nature of the legalities vis-a-vis drugs are destroying the legal system and corrupting the police system."
-- Jack Nicholson
Drug War Porn
I've always thought of Al Roker's DEA as a form of drug war pornography.
But apparently, it's just soft-core porn compared to Chris Ryan's Elite Police (DVD out on Monday)
And they're about "knock down the door" of a cocaine-making lab . . . big time.
KABOOM! A searing blast of heat scorches Chris's cheeks as the hut VAPORISES before his eyes, sending a 3,000ft plume of smoke into the air thanks to plastic explosives planted by the Junglas--Colombia's frontline cops in the war against drugs.
"We left the coke lab a blast site of scorched metal stinking of napalm," says Bravo Two Zero hero Chris who worked with the squad for his dramatic TV series, Elite Police, about the South American cocaine trail. "Then we needed to get out fast."
This is drug war action so intense, it even spontaneously breaks out into CAPITALS!
But of course, this isn't about making money. It's got a more important message:
"There was a story where 14 gangsters' bodies turned up without heads. Their gang then chopped off the rival gang's heads a week later. There's no end to what they will do."
Now Chris hopes his programme will make cocaine users in the UK sit up and take notice. "Despite cocaine being so addictive, some Brits see it as relatively harmless," says Chris.
"But as I discovered, the facts behind it are horrifying. And the misery it causes on its way to our streets is shocking."
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Yeah, the Free Mexican Air Force is flyin' tonight
Mexico Decriminalizes Small Amounts of Drugs
Mexico City -- Owning marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime in Mexico if the drugs are carried in small amounts for personal use, under legislation passed by the Congress.
Ganjawar Puppets Cave... again
After intense pressure from the United States, President Vicente Fox has asked Congress to reconsider a law it passed last week that would decriminalize the possession of small amounts of drugs as part of a larger effort to crack down on street-level dealing.
US PRAISES THAI DRUG WAR!
From February of 2003, to 100 days later, June 2003, Thai police executed over 4,000 Thais, jailing 60,000, in a bid to meet targets set by the Thai Prime Minister to 'complertely end all illegal drug use by whatever means necessary'. A senior US drug official yesterday hailed Thailand's war against drugs as a success.
Stop the War on Colombians!
Via Kaptinemo in comments comes this heartbreaking story:
In July 2007, Teresa Ortega stood solemnly in a field of wilting corn and pineapple crops as tears streamed down her cheeks. She had taken it upon herself to start a farm with 100 widows - women who lost their husbands and children to Colombia's war and were fighting against poverty. Together they had purchased this small farm and worked it on the weekends to make ends meet. Now - after a plane sprayed chemicals over their farm - all was lost.
To bureaucrats in Washington, Teresa and her friends are simply additional collateral damage at ground zero of Washington's drug war in South America.
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Yellowknife Couple Lose Children Over Medical Marijuana Garden In Closet
The family of a woman who used marijuana to ease the pain of a spinal injury had their house raided and ransacked by RCMP last week after the police received an anonymous tip about a "smell" emanating from the home. Although the authorities found only a few marijuana plants, they have condemned the home and placed the children in foster care under family child protection services. full story
How To Stop The Drug Wars
A hundred years ago a group of foreign diplomats gathered in Shanghai for the first-ever international effort to ban trade in a narcotic drug. On February 26th 1909 they agreed to set up the International Opium Commissionâ??just a few decades after Britain had fought a war with China to assert its right to peddle the stuff. Many other bans of mood-altering drugs have followed. In 1998 the UN General Assembly committed member countries to achieving a â??drug-free worldâ?ť and to â??eliminating or significantly reducingâ?ť the production of opium, cocaine and cannabis by 2008. full story
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Never Mind The Evidence - A Drug-Free World Is Nigh
This year marks the 100th anniversary of global drug prohibition, and what an inglorious centenary it is when we consider the millions of lives that have been blighted as a consequence of the war on drugs. And yet the majority of governments have supported a worldwide ban on the cultivation, distribution and use of psychoactive substances ever since the signing of the Shanghai convention, which aimed to target opium use, in 1909. full story
Rockefeller Drug Laws Are a Crime
The draconian Rockefeller Drug Laws represent a misguided and ineffective regime for addressing drug use and addiction - health issues, not criminal issues. With legislation passed this week by the Assembly, New York may be ready to shift towards a more reasonable - and affordable - approach guided by public health and safety. full story
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Stop Bill C-15: Say No To Mandatory Jail Terms For Marijuana
Stephen Harper has introduced mandatory minimums for marijuana - previously known as Bill C-26, but now introduced as Bill C-15. Harper wants a mandatory minimum six months in jail for one plant, and one year for trafficking involving "organized crime", which is simply defined as three or more people - that could be you, your dealer, and the grower! Canadians know the drug war has failed, and 62% support the legalization of marijuana. Speak up and help defeat C-15! full story
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"Insanity (is) ...
Continuing to do the same things and expecting different results."
-- Albert Einstein
"The Limits of the Criminal Sanction"
by Herbert Packer, 1968
For over fifty years the United States has been committed to a policy of suppressing the "abuse" of narcotic and other "dangerous" drugs. The primary instrument in carrying out this policy has been the criminal sanction. The results of this reliance on the criminal sanction have included the following:
(1) Several hundred thousand people, the overwhelming majority of whom have been primarily users rather than traffickers, have been subjected to severe criminal punishment.
(2) An immensely profitable illegal traffic in narcotic and other forbidden drugs has developed.
(3) This illegal traffic has contributed significantly to the growth and
prosperity of organized criminal groups.
(4) A substantial number of all acquisitive crimes - burglary, robbery, auto theft, other forms of larceny - have been committed by drug
users in order to get the wherewithal to pay the artificially high prices charged for drugs on the illegal market.
(5) Billions of dollars and a significant proportion of total law enforcement resources have been expended in all stages of the criminal process.
(6) A disturbingly large number of undesirable police practices - unconstitutional searches and seizures, entrapment, electronic surveillance have become habitual because of the great difficulty that attends the detection of narcotics offenses.
(7) The burden of enforcement has fallen primarily on the urban poor, especially Negroes and Mexican-Americans.
(8) Research on the causes, effects, and cures of drug use has been stultified.
(9) The medical profession has been intimidated into neglecting its accustomed role of relieving this form of human misery.
(10) A large and well-entrenched enforcement bureaucracy has developed a vested interest in the status quo, and has effectively thwarted all but the most marginal reforms.
(11) Legislative invocations of the criminal sanction have automatically and unthinkingly been extended from narcotics to marijuana to the flood of new mind-altering drugs that have appeared in recent years, thereby compounding the preexisting problem. A clearer case of misapplication of the criminal sanction would be difficult to imagine.
Drug Warriors Terrorize Freedom
Ernest Money
A drug warrior uses Congress' purse strings to strangle dissent.Jacob Sullum | February 20, 2004
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Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
Turn Back Effort To Disguise an Illegal Drug as Medicine
cannabisnews.com: Turn Back Effort To Disguise Drug as Medicine
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Is The Drug Czar Is Lying? His Lips Are Moving
Deconstructing the Drug Czar's latest pot and mental illness claims NORML Blog » Blog Archive » How To Tell If The Drug Czar Is Lying? His Lips Are Moving
Why Would We Want People To Suffer Needlessly?
By Anthony Clark May 12, 2008
Postbulletin.com: Rochester, MN
New Federal Report on Marijuana Use is Misleading, Groups Say
New Federal Report on Marijuana Use is Misleading, Groups Say - Salem-News.Com
May-10-2008 15:32printcomments
New Federal Report on Marijuana Use is Misleading, Groups Say
Tim King Salem-News.com
Is this a reaction to the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition?
Salem-News.com
Salem-News.com
(SALEM, Ore.) - A new federal government report on the ill effects of marijuana on teens may be a last ditch effort to demonize the medical weed before it sees its own day of emancipation. As it stands, even the most hardcore marijuana legalization advocates do not support children using anything that causes intoxication.
This new report uses scare tactics and seems to regard medical facts as a meaningless burden, and they are enlisting the help of celebrities with big money and big media ties to drive their message home.
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Lies are all You Need
Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies.
There's nothing you can do that can be done.
Nothing you can say that can't be spun.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can grow that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be caged.
Nothing you can do but you can learn to be fools.
It's easy.
All you need are Lies, all you need are Lies,
All you need are Lies, Lies, Lies are all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're told to be.
It's easy.
All you need are Lies, Lies, Lies are all you need.
All you need are Lies (all together now)
All you need are Lies (everybody)
All you need are Lies, Lies, Lies are all you need.
J.P.Waldo &â?*he D.E.A.th
Pot Potency? Boomers' blissfully unfazed by facts
Pot Potency? Boomers' blissfully unfazed by facts - Cannabis Culture Forums
Medical Marijuana Group Plans Ad Campaign
Posted by CN Staff on April 29, 2008 at 19:42:43 PT
By Mark Brunswick, Star Tribune
Source: Star-Tribune
medical Minnesota -- A group advocating a medical marijuana bill in Minnesota said Tuesday that it will run ads to counter what it says are false law-enforcement arguments against the measure.
The group, the Marijuana Policy Project, said three ads will be posted on the Internet and a fourth will run on television statewide. They are designed to allay fears that medical marijuana increases youth access to marijuana, that there is no proven medical value to using medical marijuana, and that there is no support in the medical community for medical marijuana.
cannabisnews.com: Medical Marijuana Group Plans Ad Campaign
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Womanâ??s Christian Temperance Union:
First Wrong On Alcohol, Now Wrong On Cannabis
April 24th, 2008 By: Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director
NORML Blog » Blog Archive » Womanâ��s Christian Temperance Union: First Wrong On Alcohol, Now Wrong On Cannabis
Seventy-five years after the American people and its representatives in government rejected prohibitionistsâ?? â??great social experimentâ?? by repealing alcohol prohibition with the passage of the 21st Amendment, one of the leading anti-libation organizations of that era these days espouses Reefer Madness and pseudo-science.
Web pages of friends of WCTU
Friends
Womanâ??s Christian Vengeance Union
Womanâ??s Christian Vengeance Union - Cannabis Culture Forums
The Medical Marijuana SCAM: Update 1996, Lapey
EURAD: Europe Against Drugs (Statements)
Janet D. Lapey, M.D
Concerned Citizens For Drug Prevention,Inc.
PO Box 2078. Hanover, MA 02339
617-826-5598
Just as there is a powerful tobacco lobby, there is a well-funded marijuna lobby
HEMP SCAM Janet D. Lapey, M. D.
Hemp
The drug legalization lobby is currently targeting farmers, such as tobacco growers, in an attempt to persuade them to grow hemp, a crop which would not be profitable.
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Lapey...
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Over 130 years of being wrong
DWR: Thursday, April 24, 2008
You may have thought the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) was merely a sadly delusional chapter in our nation's history. And yet, every now and then I see a letter to the editor in the local paper signed by someone who calls herself head of the local WCTU chapter.
What I didn't realize (until I read Allen St. Pierre's post today) was that they also take a position on marijuana.
At their marijuana 'facts' page you can learn a number of interesting things, including: Drug WarRant
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Womanâ??s Christian Vengeance Union
* long-term marijuana users experience withdrawal symptoms such as stomach pain, irritability, and aggression. [...] I was going to quit, but after hearing that... not now.
* Sudden heart attacks have been linked to pot smoking [...] sausage linked.
* Loss of fertility in both males and females may occur. 6 billion people.
You sure it's not your wonderful sex abstenance program working?
Marijuana can disrupt testes and uterine function.
Seems to be functioning to me. Maybe you're doing it wrong.
In males testosterone levels and sperm counts can decrease and abnormal sperm form.
also decreasing is violent crimes, rape and say what? Ab-normal, like Ab-stenance? Large numbers of abnormal sperm are forming into groups of ill-mannered disodents.
Menstrual periods have ceased in females who use pot regularly. [...]
In females only you say, while only males sperm counts can decrease. By gholly there's a clue... Smoking pot makes genders different.
* fathers who smoked pot might increase the chances of their babies dying from SIDS. [...]
Ref.Dragnet, 1972, Not mothers smoking pot? It is the WCTU. Ab-normal sperm forms no doubt. 5000 years of using Ganja... No SIDS. 12 years Bush Rayguns... AIDs and SIDs and Gays. One year after Nixon took office there were 12 million tokers. Conservatives were breeding them in what are known as "think tanks". Outside of these tanks Conservative Christian women are prohibited from thinking, and what is learned in thinktanks stays in thinktanks for the message it might send the kids... and the general population frowns on multi billion dollar scams like the drug war. Must keep em smiling...
* Marijuana use is a major risk factor in the development of full-blown AIDS in HIV-positive persons. HIV marijuana smokers progress to full-blown AIDS twice as fast as non-smokers. [...]
and they always said we were antimotivational...
* Chronic use results in adults being four times more likely to be depressed later in life and to have suicidal thoughts. [...]
Depressed at getting old? Hum, another clue blue. Maybe slightly miffed at the higher prices caused by dumbass prohibitionist killers. Not like the younger daze of chronic from returning vets or at antiwar rallies. As we still do on Holidaze. Nothing like a good christian flag waving war for obtaining exotic chronic.
* In a 1999 report of 664 drug-related deaths, 187 of them resulted from marijuana use alone. [...]
That means 497 out of 664 died from something else, we must ban something else, we must, we just must!
* A scientific study of airplane pilots showed their inability to properly land a plane using a flight simulator even 24 hours after smoking one joint. [...]
* A scientific study of Booze Hangovers showed they are the leading cause of pilots toking.
With no way to hold my head that didn't hurt. And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, So I had one more for dessert. Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes, And found my cleanest dirty shirt. An' I shaved my face and combed my hair, An' stumbled down the stairs to meet the day... Wishing, Lord, that I was stoned.
* As of January, 2001, the Mississippi Research Center for the National Institute on Drug Abuse had on record more than 15,000 studies on cannabis. None of them show the raw material marijuana to be safe or effective for medical use. [...]
A very good reason for calling it NIDB instead of IOM. 150,000,000 tokers disagree.
* Many of the state-based referendums on medical marijuana have been supported and funded by individuals and organizations who favor decriminalization and legalization and who would profit from producing and selling marijuana.
Secrets out now, might as well quit and go get drunk. Although, now under prohibition, these "individuals and organizations"make 10 times more money producing and selling Ganja. Between the Drugczar advertizing BC bud and the WCTU cheerleaders inticing young people to try a new adventure. One might think they profit on the Ganjawar.
Hey, another clue...
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Temperance may be defined as:
* moderation in all things healthful;
* total abstinence from all things harmful.
-- Xenophon (Greek philosopher), 400 B. C.
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Opium Made Easy - Michael Pollan
...........Michael Pollan...........
One gardener's encounter with the war on drugs
It's worth noting that during the period of anti-alcohol hysteria that led to Prohibition, certain forms of opium were as legal and almost as widely available in this country as alcohol is today. It is said that members of the Women's Christian Temperance Union would relax at the end of a day spent crusading against alcohol with their cherished "women's tonics," preparations whose active ingredient was laudanumâ??opium. Such was the order of things less than a century ago.
Until this century hard cider was probably the most popular intoxicantâ??drug, if you willâ??in this country. It shouldn't surprise us that one of the symbols of the Women's Christian Temperance Union was an ax; prohibitionists like Carry Nation used to call for the chopping down of apple trees just like the one in my garden, plants that in their eyes held some of the same menace that a marijuana plant, or a poppy flower, holds...
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The Victorian era
Laudanum, and its many uses « the Victorian era
Laudanum, and its many uses
March 2, 2008 by 19thcentury
In many episodes of the series"Gunsmoke,"
Doc Adams gives laudanum to his patients.
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Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74 | | AlterNet
By Raymond Cushing, AlterNet. Posted May 31, 2000.
In 1974 researchers learned that THC, the active chemical in marijuana, shrank or destroyed brain tumors in test mice. But the DEA quickly shut down the study and destroyed its results, which were never replicated -- until now.
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Dr. Heath/Tulane Study, 1974
Jack Herer - Chapter 15
The Hype: Brain Damage & Dead Monkeys
In 1974, California Governor Ronald Reagan was asked about decriminalizing marijuana.
After producing the Heath/Tulane University study, the so-called "Great Communicator" proclaimed, "The most reliable scientific sources say permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana." (L.A. Times)
Reports of the study have also been distributed by the hierarchy of drug rehabilitation professionals as part of their rationalization for wanting to get kids off pot, based on supposed scientific studies. It is used to terrorize parent groups, church organizations, etc., who redistribute it still further.
Heath killed the half-dead monkeys, opened their brains, counted the dead brain cells, and then took control monkeys, who hadn't smoked marijuana, killed them too, and counted their brain cells. The pot smoking monkeys had enormous amounts of dead brain cells as compared to the "straight" monkeys.
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Top Story: Dan Forbes Documents Waltersâ?? Lies About Potency. Understanding That The War On Cannabis Is Built On Lies Is Key to Understanding More Than Just Drug War.
Posted by Richard Cowan on 2002-11-20 17:39:18
MarijuanaNews.com : Dan Forbes Documents Walters� Lies About Potency. Understanding That The War On Cannabis Is Built On Lies Is Key to Understanding More Than Just Drug War.
Newsbrief: Walters Lies Pile Up in Canada Diatribe
Newsbrief: Walters Lies Pile Up in Canada Diatribe
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Lies Our Drug Warriors Told Us
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Lies Our Drug Warriors Told Us
CN Source: Reno News & Review August 24, 2006 Nevada
The reporters made their way through the dim lights and small huts of Virginia City's Chinatown... The Comstock journalists produced racist and inaccurate news coverage that relied on uninformed sources (law enforcement instead of physicians), inflamed the people of the town, and produced the nation's first anti-drug law, an ordinance banning opium smoking within Virginia City, enacted on Sept. 12, 1876. The local politicians, discovering that fear of drugs and minorities sold, were just as irresponsible, blaming everything from poor sanitation to child molestation on Chinese drug "fiends." When the local prohibition ordinance failed, they pushed for a statewide law which failed (and, of course, would be followed by national laws that failed).
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Anslinger's Lies
Pot Culture: Anslinger's Lies
Many of Harry Anslinger's marijuana horror stories have been tracked down to stories in the yellow press. Of 200 specific cases referred to by Anslinger, his accusation that marijuana was the cause of a gory crime was proved false in 198. The other two stories were untraceable and no account of them ever appeared in print where the crimes allegedly occurred.
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Bennett's Fuzzy Drug-War Victory
cannabisnews.com: Bennett's Fuzzy Drug-War Victory
In other words, Bennett's "most successful public policy efforts of the latter half of the 20th century" is an illusion. It's reasonable to conclude that more people were using drugs "during the most intense period of antidrug efforts" than admitted it. And just in case Bennett can't tell the difference, that's not success -- that's denial.
More Fuzzy Drug-War Math
cannabisnews.com: More Fuzzy Drug-War Math
Misleading numbers are the stock and trade of drug warriors, it seems. Arguing against medical marijuana in his April 2 column, for instance, Don Feder rattles off an alarming statistic: "According to the Drug Abuse Warning Network," says Feder, "marijuana use accounted for 87,150 emergency-room admissions in 1999, up 455 percent from a decade earlier."
First off, this is a red herring, since the discussion is not about all-purpose marijuana use, but medical. The DAWN data are not controlled for why an emergency-room patient may have been using marijuana; it only records the presence of the drug in his system.
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DAMN DAWN! Dug Abruse Makeitup Netvork...
Reefer Madness, Courtesy of Senator Tom Harkin
March 3rd, 2008 By: Ron Fisher, NORML Outreach Coordinator
NORML Blog » Blog Archive » Reefer Madness, Courtesy of Senator Tom Harkin
the number of marijuana related emergencies
This is an untruth propagated by the drug czarâ??s minions. The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) collects its data on â??marijuana related emergenciesâ?? by noting every single time someone tells their doctor that they use marijuana. So if I were to accidentally break my leg and go to the ER, and my doctor asked if I use any drugs and I say I occasionally smoke marijuana (as I should, as we should all be honest with our physicians), then this would be a â??marijuana related emergency,â?? even if I hadnâ??t smoked in weeks.
Your Government Is Lying To You (Again) About Marijuana - NORML
The (F)Utility of DAWN: Experts Look at the Drug Abuse Warning Network
The (F)Utility of DAWN: Experts Look at the Drug Abuse Warning Network
"Mr. Walters and many, many others have used this data in the wrong way," Duncan continued. "DAWN was never set up to collect enough information to tell you useful things about problems coming into the emergency room. When someone uses DAWN numbers to try to tell you how dangerous a drug is, it's just not set up for that."
Harkin to Lie
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Supreme Court's Reefer Madness
cannabisnews.com: Supreme Court's Reefer Madness
In the rush to cure all the ills to which humans are heir, liberty is too often an innocent bystander -- and an accidental casualty. --Barry Goldwater, 1964
The Supreme Court handed in their black robes for brown shirts yesterday, as that formerly august body decided 8-0 against medical marijuana, ruling that federal law trumps state initiatives to legalize the substance for treatment of illnesses such as AIDS, cancer, multiple sclerosis and glaucoma.
Apparently, Clarence Thomas and Co. forgot a slightly more important statute than the Controlled Substance Act -- the Constitution of the United States! Remember that one? I think it's still mentioned in high-school civics classes.
Grab a copy if you have one handy and open that grand, national operating manual to Article 1, Section 8. This section lays out in very clear terms the enumerated powers of Congress -- what our representatives are permitted to do. (Pay attention, Clarence.)
There are not many items listed, and you'll probably notice the striking absence of anything about regulating marijuana -- or any drugs for that matter. It's not in there. Establishing postal roads, declaring war, coining money -- that much is enumerated, but not a word about dope.
Justices Bar Medical Defense for Distribution
cannabisnews.com: Justices Bar Medical Defense for Distribution
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William Randolph Hearst
Inventor of yellow Journalism. Supposedly very ruthless to his competition and in his personal relationships. He was the basis for the movie Citizen Kane and also responsible for the prohibition on marijuana of the 1930's. The Marijuana Stamp Tax Act effectively outlawed the sale of marijuana. Hearst apparently made a fortune from the criminalization of marijuana due to the money he had invested in competing industries. Right before Hearst began his war against marijuana with newspaper headlines in the many dailies that he owned, Popular Science announced the invention of a hemp processing machine that they predictied could effectively make hemp the single most useful processing material.
yellow journalism
One of the great breakthoughs in propaganda. The ability to prove a point just by over exposing it to the masses. If they see it enough they'll believe it. Planting fear and then playing the fear into action. Using different sources to corrodinate the effort to make it seem as if the whole world thinks this way. Pioneered by William Randolph Hearst in his reefer madness style campaign of the 1930's.
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Convicted robber got $42,363 from fund for victims?
He had been convicted of dealing heroin, stealing a car
and holding up a man and a woman at gunpoint, court records show.
Yet look what made the title...
Warrant issued for man in case over marijuana!
By Josh Mitchell | Baltimore Sun reporter April 29, 2008
I think he means... Warrant issued for Convicted armed robber/heroin junkie...
Theft : Theft News and Photos - chicagotribune.com
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Senator Joseph McCarthy: Unrepentent Junkie? By Stephen Young
Senator Joseph McCarthy- Unrepentent Junkie?- by Steve Young: Drugwar.com
Sen. Joseph McCarthy: Unrepentant Junkie
Sen. Joseph McCarthy: Unrepentant Junkie - Applicable Information - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku
The war on drugs has always served a political agenda. During the Red Scare in the early 1950s, Sen. Joseph McCarthy blamed Red China for peddling heroin to weaken the moral fiber of the United States and the Free World.
Ironically, it appears that McCarthy himself developed a nasty little addiction to morphine while leading the anticommunist crusade. But his dope wasn't coming from Maoist China. According to Ladies Home Journal, that bastion of left-wing political correctness, McCarthy was getting his daily morphine script from Harry Anslinger, longtime head of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
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Scientist's death haunts family (Merc News Complete Article)
Home - San Jose Mercury News
excerpted: The death in 1953 of a government scientist, Frank Olson, in a fall from a New York hotel window, is one of the most notorious cases in CIA history.
The documents show that two of the key officials involved in the decision to withhold that information were White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, today the nation's vice president and secretary of Defense.
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How The Canadian Media Import Counterfeit News From The States.
MarijuanaNews.com : How The Canadian Media Import Counterfeit News From The States. The Drug Czar Lies and Even The Best Papers Don�t Check the Facts.
The Drug Czar Lies and Even The Best Papers Donâ??t Check the Facts.
Posted by Richard Cowan on 2005-03-17 16:20:00
â??But it is time to acknowledge that the nation's news organizations have played a large and unappetizing role in deceiving the publicâ?¦.â?ťâ?? The New York Times
Front Page Fantasy: The New York Times Pushes Fact Free Journalism
MarijuanaNews.com : Front Page Fantasy: The New York Times Pushes Fact Free Journalism Supposedly About ââ?¬Ĺ?BC Budââ?¬Âť
Supposedly About â??BC Budâ?ť
Posted by Richard Cowan on 2005-03-17 16:20:00
This article was cited in the Canadian Parliament as proof that Canada cannot even decriminalize cannabis because of US opposition, â??causing costly cross-border delays.â?ť Lies have consequences, which is why people lie.
Bad research makes headlines (thread)
Bad research makes headlines | Cannabis Culture Magazine
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A CULTURE OF LYING (PART 4)!
One scribe noted what Bush had done. You could call it a senior moment
It truly takes a low, slimy man to call the other guy a liar on the basis of â??factsâ?ť which heâ??s simply made up. But a Culture of Lying surrounded Bushâ??and the press corps already knew not to notice.
20 Lies About the War
20 Lies About the War
Iraq Lies
TvNewsLIES.org - No Distractions, No Deceptions, No Diversions, No Delusions!
Bush and Blair - â??The Killer Bâ??s!â?ť
Here is another example of Bush hypocrisy; he pulls the US out of the World Court excludes American from participating so that no American can be charged with a war crime, but he and his clan keep screaming about Iraqi war criminals! How does he get away with it? Are most Americans stupid or are they just bad people? I can not figure out what is happening to this country.
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions
Professor Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
Broadcast On C-Span 2 - Thursday, April 28, 2005
ITâ??S NOT WHAT THEY SAY - ITâ??S WHAT THEY DONâ??T SAY! -
War & Terror = Ratings Ratings = Money $$$
Bush + Cheney = War & Terror Do the Math!
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Their Lips are Moving 200x200
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Source: Missoula Independent October 14, 2004
Everyone has heard the joke about how you can tell when operatives from the Bush administration are lying - their lips are moving. Given the Bush presidency's horrid record of lying about everything from preemptive war to domestic issues such as the environment, health care and education, it should come as no surprise that they're at it again. This time, it's to interfere in Montana's election on medical marijuana, I-148. And guess what? Their lips are moving again.
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We want our 'role models' to lie
Drug WarRant
DWR: Saturday, April 26, 2008
Link (Via Baylen)
The next big scandal in sports comes from a statement made on radio by Dallas Mavericks forward Josh Howard. Howard explains:
"What I was stating was just [in response to] a random question he asked me about the marijuana use. I just let him know that most of the players in the league use marijuana and I have and do partake in smoking weed in the offseason sometimes and that's my personal choice and my personal opinion. But I don't think that's stopping me from doing my job."
He's not using marijuana during the season, and he hasn't flunked any drug tests.
So now the league and the press are scrambling to find how you punish someone for... um... telling the truth.
Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said before Friday's game against the Hornets that any punishment from the club will be meted out "internally."
"We won't make it public," Cuban said. "But we'll deal with it.
"We'll do what we need to do and deal with it internally and then that's it."
What really bugs them is that he is matter-of-fact and unrepentant about it.
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The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment — Infoplease.com
The United States government did something that was wrongâ??deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. . . . clearly racist.
â??President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for â??bad blood,â?ť1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
Sean Bell
Drug WarRant
Friday, April 25, 2008
Did you get carried away and shoot 50 times at an unarmed man killing him? No problem.
The Sean Bell case ends up with acquittals on all charges. Apparently nobody did anything wrong.
Anger Spills Over at Killing of Kathryn Johnston
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Anger Spills Over at Killing of Kathryn Johnston
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160350 WOD RACISM HYPOCRISY
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Federal and state police kill owner of Rainbow Farm
Federal and state police kill owner of Rainbow Farm
On the Friday before Labor Day 2001, rather than face a bail revocation hearing for holding an unauthorized marijuana rally last August Grover "Tom" Crosslin and Rolland Rohm retreated to Rainbow Farm...
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Tom Crosslin - Nov. 10, 1954 - Sept. 3, 2001
Rollie Rohm - Dec. 27, 1972 - Sept. 4, 2001
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The Murder of Peter McWilliams
The Murder of Peter McWilliams - Applicable Information - All - Ending Cannabis Prohibition - Message Board - Yuku
Whatever the "official" cause listed on McWilliams' death certificate, he was, by any definition of the word, murdered by the federal government. If a lone human being forcibly denied a patient their lifesaving medication, which then hastened their death, that cruel person would certainly be indicted for murder. Yet Peter is only the latest victim of an uncaring, unaccountable, unquestioned "drug" policy run by a retired 4-Star Army General, Drug "Czar" Barry McCaffrey- the stone cold heart of Marijuana Prohibition.
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(The Elkhorn Manifesto)
The Elkhorn Manifesto
SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA:
The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate
Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-legalization
An Open Letter to All Americans
By R. William Davis
Before the Gatewood Galbraith for Governor Campaign in 1991, few Kentuckians knew that the plant that the federal government had demonized for over 50 years as "Marijuana - Assassin of Youth," was, in fact, Cannabis Hemp, the most traded commodity in the world until the mid-1800s, and our state's number one crop, industry, and most important source of revenue, for over 150 years.
Today, thanks to the efforts of pioneer hemp researchers and public advocates such as Galbraith, Jack Fraizer, Jack Herer, Chris Conrad, Ed Rosenthal, Don Wirtshafter and others, the federal government's unjustifiable suppression of our state's right to develop our most valuable and versatile natural resource, is facing increasing opposition from an informed public.
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The rest of the story: 'Kill the Messenger' does what the U.S. press wouldn't doâ??ask hard questions about the campaign against Gary Webb. The Mercury News investigative journalist paid a personal price for his controversial exposĂ© of CIA ties to the crack cocaine explosion. Two years after his suicide, the debate over his landmark investigation continues.
Drug WarRant :: View topic - Kill the Messenger
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
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Originally Posted by DdC222
I care less about this place, just another stop on the paper route. I care even less than I do about the maggots living here. This is but one in a million places to post.
As I have been pointing-out all along...you are nothing grander than an undereducated paperboy delivering the Daily Anarchist, straight from the press. No original words...no original thoughts...no original links...all a plagueristic attempt to expose yourself as controllable. Same bullshit with every post. Same old links, same twisting of facts to suit your theories, same verbal assaults. What...were you promised that if you ever get good at this trolling stuff, that you can expect to get handed a job at the Huffington Post? As it's obvious you aren't very good at this...you should really stick with stuff you know, like...umm...well, I'm sure that maybe someday you'll be good at something. :jointsmile:
Another major difference between me and you...I work within the law...you worm your way around it.
Wasn't going to report this post, but changed my mind. Your behaviour is unacceptable, your insights, laughable and your interest in supporting medical cannabis seems to take back-seat to your anti-everybody political views, your racist and homophobic posts, and generally because you disrespect this site and it's members. We have a shitload of good people in here, so I gurantee you...we won't miss yet another paperboy that misses the porch every morning thinking of new ways to hate.
p.s. - the bad rep you gave me took 4 points from my 3300 or so, and added some color to my otherwise drab control panel. Am I supposed to be angry, or say ouch...? Pathetic.
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
Jeezus H. Rusty! Good riddance glad to see the trash has been taken out to the compost pile. Holy fuck tards! I betcha he gets that Huffington Post job!
Really though, it's hardly worth the effort you know. That guy is obviously a "true believer" and nothing, no matter how rational will ever change that. Thank you for not letting this ass get you into a position where you would have gotten banned. I just cannot stand people like that. I would rep you but I still have to spread some around. From now on, if we get anymore of these trolls, we should just hi-jack the threads and make them all about something completely off topic until they get the point. How bout it?:jointsmile:
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
From now on, if we get anymore of these trolls, we should just hi-jack the threads and make them all about something completely off topic until they get the point. How bout it?:jointsmile:
Altho I like the idea, doubtful thread hijacking is an effective method of intelligent discourse, and I believe is frowned upon, lol.
I'd rather confront them with their own inaccuracies. Confuses the shit out of some of 'em. Anyway, someone needs to cary the torch of conservatism, while battling the evil forces of liberal fascism. (to "America the Beautiful")
Regardless...my only reason for participating in posts like this, is to show others that conservatives and christians are not ignorant, not bent on restricting personal freedoms, not out to shaft the world, and some of us are not going to stand for anyone painting the conservative/spiritual/religious peoples of the world in their own dark shade of black. They paint everyone into a neat little isolated corner...but when you look closely, it's them stepping in the paint.
A small portion of the links he so generously copied and pasted were valid, once upon a time. Are there going to be isolated abuses...? Of course. Just like this now-banned individual. He wanted his point made, but half way through he'd forget the point and take weird hateful tangents, betraying his claims of tolerance and progressiveness.
I have nothing against any dissenting viewpoint, but like it says in my signature...If you are comfortable with your facts, blah, blah, blah... (Neil Cavuto - Fox News)
Kinda strange, this sudden implosion. IDK... Maybe he was running out of hate. :thumbsup:
I believe that very soon, in this current economy and state of the Union, a few of the states will legalize and tax cannabis, and either there will be a federal backlash, and a subsequent tightening of the federal legal belt, or the rest of the states will follow like lemmings...reviweing inmate cases, dropping simple 'sales' and 'possesion' charges, but since the feds control border access, importing will likely remain a felony. Either way...likely to be heard by the Supremes?
With regards to old cannatales infecting modern-day politics, (Nixon lie killing...blah, blah...) it was ingrained into mainstreem society for almost a hundred years. Has been a slow process, and many in political leadership since the turn of the century, (or so) have used the misinformation (Reefer Madness and W.R. Hurst, for instance) to their benefit, furthering the folklore and lies.
Times change, as do the circumstances and issues. With younger candidates elected nationwide, more attention is now on cannabis, and old myths are just that...old myths. And doubtful coming into these forums just to shit on our government, our religion, or our values will speed the process. Matter of fact...some of us resent half-truths and outright lies, and are willing to defend the moral issues of religion, personal responsibility and values.
Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...
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Altho I like the idea, doubtful thread hijacking is an effective method of intelligent discourse, and I believe is frowned upon, lol.
LOL, yeah you are right, I am just exhausted. Working to hard in the grow room I guess. But, intelligent discourse would require it to go both ways not one way! So while you are making the best of it, the other side in this instance was far from it. But I get your point, and you are of course right. Guess I was just being a little lazy.:jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I'd rather confront them with their own inaccuracies. Confuses the shit out of some of 'em. Anyway, someone needs to cary the torch of conservatism, while battling the evil forces of liberal fascism. (to "America the Beautiful")
Regardless...my only reason for participating in posts like this, is to show others that conservatives and christians are not ignorant, not bent on restricting personal freedoms, not out to shaft the world, and some of us are not going to stand for anyone painting the conservative/spiritual/religious peoples of the world in their own dark shade of black. They paint everyone into a neat little isolated corner...but when you look closely, it's them stepping in the paint.
A small portion of the links he so generously copied and pasted were valid, once upon a time. Are there going to be isolated abuses...? Of course. Just like this now-banned individual. He wanted his point made, but half way through he'd forget the point and take weird hateful tangents, betraying his claims of tolerance and progressiveness.
I have nothing against any dissenting viewpoint, but like it says in my signature...If you are comfortable with your facts, blah, blah, blah... (Neil Cavuto - Fox News)
Kinda strange, this sudden implosion. IDK... Maybe he was running out of hate. :thumbsup:
I believe that very soon, in this current economy and state of the Union, a few of the states will legalize and tax cannabis, and either there will be a federal backlash, and a subsequent tightening of the federal legal belt, or the rest of the states will follow like lemmings...reviweing inmate cases, dropping simple 'sales' and 'possesion' charges, but since the feds control border access, importing will likely remain a felony. Either way...likely to be heard by the Supremes?
With regards to old cannatales infecting modern-day politics, (Nixon lie killing...blah, blah...) it was ingrained into mainstreem society for almost a hundred years. Has been a slow process, and many in political leadership since the turn of the century, (or so) have used the misinformation (Reefer Madness and W.R. Hurst, for instance) to their benefit, furthering the folklore and lies.
Times change, as do the circumstances and issues. With younger candidates elected nationwide, more attention is now on cannabis, and old myths are just that...old myths. And doubtful coming into these forums just to shit on our government, our religion, or our values will speed the process. Matter of fact...some of us resent half-truths and outright lies, and are willing to defend the moral issues of religion, personal responsibility and values.
You are preaching to the choir brotha! It just pissed me off to read through this crapola I guess and see you all alone out here. Glad you were here to hold it down, I don't know why I wasn't. :(
So judging from this poster, is it safe to say 45 years from now there will still be flamers bashing Bush for all the evils of the world? Good lord! LOL
