Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...

[DdC222]

Those funny senior citizens and their wacky tobacky
DWR: Sunday, March 8, 2009

Man Killed by Deputies
Serving Marijuana-Related Warrant Identified
Tim King Salem-News.com Mar-07-2009

A warrant for pot charges served at 10:30 p.m. on the rural Mulino home of two senior citizens led to the police shooting of one.

(CANBY, Ore.) - Three days have passed since a man was shot to death by deputies in Canby over marijuana related arrest warrants. He has been identified as 68-year old Hubert Henkel.

80-year old Marjorie Frances Crawford was arrested on a warrant for charges she and Mr. Henkel were both wanted for, relating to growing, possessing and providing cannabis to another person.

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"A lot of people grow their pot on federal or state land... to avoid the forfeiture crap... Most rig booby traps around their fields to thwart interlopers, cleverly designed pits with sharpened stakes to impale unwanted visitors or shotguns aimed low to blow off legs and other nethermost parts when a trip wire is triggered. If you need help in designing efficient booby traps, give me a call and I'll send you a pamphlet outlining several UL Approved traps that have sucessfully ensnared and routed thousands of marauding narcs and do-gooders."
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- Richard Milhouse Nixon

"Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency, although some evidence indicates that the heavy, long-term users may develop a psychological dependence on the drug"
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"Even if the Commission does recommend that it be legalized,
I will not follow that recommendation."
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Nixon Launched The 30 Years' War as Election Issue

Just What Was He Smoking?

Any change is resisted because bureaucrats
have a vested interest in the chaos in which they exist.
- Richard Milhouse Nixon

DdC222 Reviewed by DdC222 on 03-09-2009. Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing... Those funny senior citizens and their wacky tobacky DWR: Sunday, March 8, 2009 Man Killed by Deputies Serving Marijuana-Related Warrant Identified Tim King Salem-News.com Mar-07-2009 A warrant for pot charges served at 10:30 p.m. on the rural Mulino home of two senior citizens led to the police shooting of one. (CANBY, Ore.) - Three days have passed since a man was shot to death by deputies in Canby over marijuana related arrest warrants. He has been identified as 68-year old Hubert Rating: 5

[DdC222]

Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing

There is nothing new about these murders. Hubert's body and Marjorie's soul. The "meth" problem will be thrown into the heap as usual, even though many gunuts driving rigs are popping black beauties and turn arounds. Bikers never had the problems the news spouts today. It should with out a doubt sicken the hearts of every red blooded American. But I can show you a large list of victims and it seems the hobgoblins will pass it by the headlines and the gunut dittos, handity o'really faux newts will commend the brave deputies and push for accommodations for saved us from heathen druggie Americans.

Rainbow Farm hasn't been investigated since a week before 911. I'm just saying the 2nd Amendment isn't alone and it won't stop bullets from cops until the people say it can and adhere to all of the Bill of Rights for all of the people. I'm all for a well regulated militia and not a state controlled National Guard sent Internationally to Police Actions where profits are legal after Mission Accomplished removed the "War". Or anti-American American terrorists burning crosses or thumping bibles while keeping their kids from insulin or making them kiss rattlesnakes. Bombing clinics to save the fetus while more are aborted on cotton and cattle fud than Roe v Wade ever could. I have never ask for stupid prohibitions of any kind outside of personal pocket rockets wmd's and nukes.

Free the prostitutes, poker junkies, poppies, buttons, shrooms and stoners and let the gunuts have guns and suds, and the NRA can rot in hell for mandatory minimum sentencing and the Unions siding with pisstasters and Sikorsky dropping agent green on innocent farmers or CAT bulldozing Jewish chicks.

Klogog plastering cardboard food and sugar on kids and Waldomart chinese sweatshops with kids sewing Iraqi crude plastic into mini rw&b symbols rednecks can spasm at the kids they're sending to the dessert to die for Boosh lies stashing cash for Haliburton, Dyncorps and Chevron.

Corporatist Prohibitionists like the ones decaled on the left turn NAScrats pushing the kid safety crap like the DARE Gates propaganda breeding new Ganja worriers and soccer moms and log cabin bonzo fans banning hand guns. Buzzwords set the mood and prejudice. Gangs Guns Marijuana Militia all serve a purpose in dividing the people maintaining dysfunction for profit and taxes.

When the courts get rid of the moneysluts we can think about Justice. Until then the lawyers will play their games and the jury will follow the judges instructions to eliminate any change in the following years prison industry profits.

Gunuts have more of a problem with stoners than visa versa and less Amendments taken away. While many flag jerkers boast of protecting the second, sometimes part of the first while the other half doesn't concern them when its a Rastafarian religion using Ganja Sacramentally. Or Free Speech on TV playing the missing Nixon tapes? That is a joke, many gunuts pray for censorship. And censor content on their forums.

If they post anything about reality outside of their own box. They holler about the 10th Amendment and states rights until it comes to Buyers Clubs and personal use. Libertarians are as myopic as the Walldo Street Banksters excluding environmental liberties, taken with dioxins and pcbs from cotton cropdusting. Not used on hemp. Cutting trees for cellulose is a waste compared to hemp. Same with tensile strength, leaving trees to clean the water and air. Not horowitless Home Despots when their not roll playing as the Keating 5 with John McCain and Kneel Boosh.

Hemp can replace ffertilizers, herbicides and pesticides all sold by suits and ties, and aerate the soil but for one big fat Nexxon LIE. Gunuts probably voted for the bastard and sat on the gung ho side of the Nam Scam. Pushing what they're told to make a buck the same as the loggers the same as the oil riggers the same as the truckers, coal miners, steel workers and strip miners.

The War Brokers , white powder "western" disease treaters and the crud asphalt road paver half assing the job with it going into the streams leaving potholes to fill with the same damn thing. Self sustaining communities would lessen the road use, many alternatives the oil boys don't want and the gunuts fighting the only dissidents.

All of the products made by these "workers" can be made with hemp. Jobs won't change making the stuff but these are Libertarian no no's to discuss. Isolationists like Dobbs and Hearst spewing venom on the open wounded. Until the Harry Browne RIP, stock brokers see the damage they cause selling these commodities, personal Liberty will be taken and treated by the same chemical companies selling Pharmaceuticals. We have to separate the thistle from the vine.

Before fossil fools we had organics. Before tree paper we had hemp. Before cotton we had canvas and we could again if the blue collar gunuts and donuts thought less about the crude oil plastic red white and blue banner wrapped around them and more about the Constitution they're helping burn voting in these GOPerverts, Demonizers and Tunnel Vision Eurocrats trying to bring us back to King George.

Life is a pre-requisite of Liberty, Liberty, is a pre-requisite of any chance to pursue Happiness. Then many forget about the pre-requisite of Life, Human Rights, including shelter, food, clothing and health care. All provided by Ganja and Hemp, Outlawed so it wouldn't be.

Just the way its supposed to be for those not living on a paycheck. A trillion spent arresting Ganja users since 1937 is a trillion earned and much of it taxed. We pay it, someone gets it and they don't really want gunuts and stoners agreeing.

But the "protectors" are a product of all of our elected representatives and indoctrinator's pushing programmed news and school books. I may not respect them for their blind obedience and violent protocol but I can't blame them for our policy. Ours do to the fence sitters and those handing their rights and privileges to the status weird Industrialist. Corporatists running this fucking Ganjawar. Take that fire ya got and stick it under the butts of Oregonians. Have another weekend Barter Fair!



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[Rusty Trichome]

Coward or martyr...?

"Aware of these existing arrest warrants -- On March 4th, at 10:30 p.m., two uniformed Clackamas County Sheriff's Office Patrol Deputies responded to this residence located at 13262 S. Macksburg Road, to arrest the two known occupants identified as Marjorie Crawford and Hubert Henkel."

"As a result of this arrest effort, the two Sheriff's deputies identified themselves and were confronted at the front door by Hubert Henkel; who was discovered to be armed with a firearm, non-compliant and pointing his firearm in a threatening fashion directly at each of the two Deputies."

Strovink says the deputies were presented with an "armed and threatening encounter". Mr. Henkel was fatally shot and died at the scene.

The extents you go, to "prove" your points...seems a tad tangental to the actual situations. In virtually every paragraph, of every post, you tell us how all peoples in a given demographic are either way or another. You have got to be the most biggoted member I've ever read in these forums, yet you take pride in the ignorance. Remarkable.

This Oregon moron missed his court date, resulting in the warrant. Sheriff's went to the home to serve the warrant, and the idiot answers the door with a firearm. Twasn't cannabis that got him dead...twas his suicide-by-cop that leaves his wife to cary the burden. What...was he in hopes they'd kill his unarmed wife in the exchange...?

He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.

To the mods...is there a site policy against discussing meds other than cannabis, or not? If there is...why allow this to continue unabated, and why is there even a forum to discuss "meaningful drug policy reforms"? If not, then why do the posting rules state otherwise?

[Rusty Trichome]

...given demographic are either way or another.

Should have read "either one way or another..."

[DdC222]

[quote=Rusty Trichome] Rustbucket is the only Coward

The law is a lie and you are a sheep. Your opinion means less than the sound of the tiolet flushing. Nothing new to see here folks. baa baa
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The Drug Czar is required by law to lie and Rusty lapdog loves it...
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[DdC222]

Thought I'd add this scum to my list and pass it around...

This Oregon moron missed his court date, resulting in the warrant. Sheriff's went to the home to serve the warrant, and the idiot answers the door with a firearm. Twasn't cannabis that got him dead...twas his suicide-by-cop that leaves his wife to cary the burden. What...was he in hopes they'd kill his unarmed wife in the exchange...?

He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.

Rusty
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[DdC222]

Daniel March 10, 2009 10:29 pm (Pacific time)

Tim any more details on the story , such as how far away were the officers when they shot ? How many times was Mr Henkel shot , did both officers shoot, did Henkel fire back ? How were the officers dressed ? Any statement from the 80 yr old women ? Has she gotten legal representation ? Thanks
john March 10, 2009 2:49 pm (Pacific time)

those poor people were killed for growing a plant for someone else. think about it. the war on drugs is an out of control war that should not even exist. it's a health issue, not a criminal issue.
Nick March 10, 2009 1:38 pm (Pacific time)

You know who else shows up on elderly peoples door steps at night with guns? Home invaders. Let that be a lesson to you old SOB's. If it's night time and you get a knock at the door just risk the beating and robbery. Otherwise, the police might murder you.
Wolfy March 9, 2009 10:40 pm (Pacific time)

This is another example of the failure of the war on drugs. It is interesting that there are pro drug warriors who conclude that the officers "were just doing their jobs."
Not all laws are just. The people who defended the right of people to own slaves used the same exact excuse: The laws allow slavery so officials are just doing their jobs when they return escaped slaves to their owners. The law enforcement system is intellectually and morally bankrupt (and so are the supporters of these officers).
Fidelity March 9, 2009 4:07 pm (Pacific time)

Mr. King, you end the article with a precarious line. You should expand upon it, knowing as a Vet, like myself, the possible medicinal uses of marijuana for people with PTSD. Speak out, you already serve your country in so many ways, who could criticize you? What ever your feelings are on the subject, now is a great time for a dialog. Oregon has a Medical Marijuana Program, at their age, I'm sure they would have qualified for a card if only they would have pursued one. If our police were reasonable, this would have ended differently. This is just another causality of the War On Drugs, a war that costs us billions of dollars, erodes our liberties under the guise of protecting "the greater good", and allow police to kill needlessly and be justified. Prohibition must end for us to live in a society where we can trust the police.
Anonymous March 9, 2009 9:43 am (Pacific time)

What is this world coming to? People are shot by police for growing a plant that God placed on this earth. The police have to answer on this one and not slap the hands of the killer.
Anonymous March 9, 2009 9:41 am (Pacific time)

This is a sickening story and I soncerely hope the cops are taken to task. They chose to execute the plan this way and in turn executed an Oregonian.
Nathan Fish March 9, 2009 9:02 am (Pacific time)

This is a horrible misdeed, and it should never have happened. If you all truly care about this issue, please DO SOMETHING: *Sign a Petition:* http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Leg...bis-in-America http://www.thepetitionsite.com/30/legalize-marijuana *Write Your Representatives:* U.S. Senate: Senators Home https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml *Organize:* www.mpp.org-Marijuana Policy Project www.norml.org-National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws www.ssdp.org-Students for Sensible Drug Policy We the people can win this "war on drugs"! All we need to do is let our voices be heard. Do not fear revealing yourself for a user or a supporter-in this country our speech is still free! Don't let them take this freedom of conscience away from us!
Red Green March 9, 2009 7:43 am (Pacific time)

Outrageous and continuing war on some drugs. Bad timing, bad execution(no pun intended) and a bad result. Clackamas needs a recall of a bad sheriff's dept.
k March 8, 2009 10:40 pm (Pacific time)

found this and though I would share, seems to be quite relevent (note the date posted) Rob Kremer: Clackamas County Sheriff's Office
Mel B. March 8, 2009 10:17 pm (Pacific time)

What I want to know is if these two had the opportunity to back up and call for more deputies. Funny how in Marion County they often solve these things without a dead body where in Clackamas and Yamhill there is more of a shoot and kill policy. There is blood on the hands of this agency and it is hard to think that they won't have the shooting deemed 'justified' when in reality, it never should have happened.
Jeff March 8, 2009 9:54 pm (Pacific time)

I feel much safer knowing that these elderly farmers are no longer terrorizing their community by growing plants. What kind of a country would we live in if we didn't arrest an 80 year old woman for growing plants after having killed her husband in a violent confrontation instigated by the state? Sure, we could just leave senior citizen farmers alone and let them grow plants if they want to. Maybe that way people wouldn't have to buy marijuana supplied by violent mexican drug cartels. No, scratch that. Killing seniors and letting our drug war destabilize Mexico makes infinitely more sense.
gail March 8, 2009 8:24 pm (Pacific time)

were either of the cops involved suffering from post Iraq brutality syndrome. My theory is that the more vets we have returning from a lawless war zone, the more we will see them entering the police force and the more we will see of this type of thing. Our poor GI's are not all brutal murderers but they have lived under the auspices of a government which has allowed war crimes as standard operating procedure.
RP March 8, 2009 7:01 pm (Pacific time)

These were two deputies doing their job. They went to a house and announced themselves as police officers. They were confronted by a man waiving a gun at them. What would you like them to do? Mabey they could wait and see if he would shoot them before returning fire. Its amazing how people sit in their cozy little houses and monday morning quarterback people who put themselves in harms way every day for others.

Tim King: Bad call RP. You are obviously of the persuasion that if a cop did it, it must be OK. You aren't fooling anyone around here. I was careful in the article to present it in a fair way. I have a lot of respect for the deputies in Clackamas. That isn't the point. You, and anyone else taking this POV, will fail to address why it is OK to go banging on elderly people's front doors at 10:30 p.m. instead of coming around during at least daylight hours; even early morning. Old people can't always see as well as young people. Besides, how many crooks claim to be police while they get ready to invade a home? I'd like to see the stats. Oh wait, everything that happened is OK because they were marijuana users, is that it? Nice that you are able to skim over a loss of life so easily, I can't. Getting a big war going here over an article will not help anyone.
Vic March 8, 2009 8:07 am (Pacific time)

Craig Roberts has overseen the most trigger-happy bunch of thugs in Clackamas County's history. He needs to live in fear for his life, as the residents of Clackamas County do.
Osotan; March 8, 2009 6:34 am (Pacific time)

yes, the details from investigation are crucial,keep this one alive Sgt.King
Daniel March 7, 2009 6:55 pm (Pacific time)

Sounds as if Mr Henkel was coming to see who was coming so late and had a gun with him for protection , and was shot . Tim how many times was Mr Henkel shot and was it from both officers , did he fire back ? I think this will be a major lawsuit . Did they want to serve the warrant before this poor couple died of old age and illness ? Another causality in the foolish pot wars .

Tim King: Daniel, I will be learning more Monday morning, I understand how this leaves people with an unsettling feeling. Thanks for writing.

[denialisback]

He isn't a martyr...he's a coward.

true, at any first glance a man holding a weapon could be a coward

at any second glance a man holding a weapon whilst two guns are trained on him is anything but cowardly.. unless you consider no fear of death to be something other than brave heh..

Peace

Denial

[DdC222]

The trouble with rustbucket cowards giving up their rights appeasing the piggies.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

absolutely appalling
joc â?¢ 3/9/09; 12:17:50 AM #
as I read I become more disgusted. Marjorie is (or recently was) a volunteer with Foster Grandparents and has 5 grandchildren and 3 great-grandchildren. In one of the articles a neighbor described Hubert as "the hardest working man I know." Not only do mainstream, middle class folks smoke pot, they can now get shot for it. That is not exactly my preferred version of equal opportunity...

allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 12:39:43 AM #
I'm just sick that someone else has died because of cannabis prohibition. The prohibition of the non lethal plant causes deaths... many of them. It's not worth it and it's wrong. Why can't the prohibitionists see that?
Hope â?¢ 3/9/09; 1:03:09 AM #
There is no justification for this kind of police state action. Cops just like to shoot people. that's why they're cops.
exileguy â?¢ 3/9/09; 1:12:07 AM #

And now the "forfeiture crap" can commence. Looks like the ol'fella had quite a spread. At least he died on his feet and they did'nt kill the dogs. What type of idiot serves a warrant at 10:30pm? How bad can it get?
Old Hippie â?¢ 3/9/09; 10:06:51 AM #

more (still unverified, but I trust my source) on the shooting. Police fired at least 13 shots. 80 year old Marjorie Crawford's "unrelated medical problem" was from a tear gas canister through her bedroom window. I will update as I get confirmation of these as yet unkowns.
And DdC... love that 2nd Amendment Kevlar quote!
allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 12:30:50 PM #

The 13 bullets and tear gas came from a news story... comments from Crawford's daughter.
Family ID's Man Killed By Deputies - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland
allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 1:56:51 PM #

Thanks Allan I've been thinking about it a while. The first Fox boards, the Conservative something forums and the Freepers before I was banned all had gunutz. One track minds and couldn't see the relation to controlled substances. I tried to warn them the Pot laws came out of the Tommy Gun laws and they could reverse it anytime.
I was raised a hunter in western Pa. Lots of Pittsburgh cops taught me my first environmentalism, cleaning the area and leaving the woods as clean as I found them etc.

When they would cut loose on those hunting trips I don't think I ever laughed so hard in my life. Cops with notches on their belts and scars from getting knifed and telling jokes like a pro comedian. I was about 14 and only started finding my way. I remember we had a hunting bus decked out with bunk beds and fridge the same time Keasey and the Pranksters were truckin around the country. There was a bus but I was told to stay in our bus while the grown ups talked to these "hippies". When I met Keasey I forgot to ask him. Can't remember if it was the Furthur bus, around 1966. Tom Wolfe electric kool aid acid test, book had a chapter where Keasey went to NY to meet Leary and it would have passed through this town on the interstate, but I don't know.

So I'm no stranger to guns and I'm not afraid of them. I don't agree with banning them but I always tried to tell these forum freepers that the 2nd amendment couldn't stop a bullet and just because you have the right to bare arms doesn't mean a cop with a warrant is going to listen. Case in point. The Ganja law is a lie and should be held responsible and all the members pushing it should be caged. But, a little common sense may have been the smarter move in this case.

Wielding a shotgun, right or wrong will always get you shot. Tom and Rollie found out the hard way. If it ain't your last stand then put the gun down and fire up a doobie. Might as well go to the pokey stoned than the morgue.
DdC â?¢ 3/9/09; 3:08:50 PM #

amen brother... amen...
But my suspicion is that Hubert thought he might have intruders...
allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 5:39:17 PM #
This all happened about 30 miles from where I live. Canby has a huge meth problem, but apparently that wasn't the issue here. Thankfully, on Sunday, the Oregon Attorney General (within the same county that this incident happened) said at a town hall meeting that he's very interested in reforming the criminal justice system, even if that means legalizing marijuana.

DdC, look at Google Map where these people live. Owning a firearm in that part of Oregon is almost a requirement for safe living and pest control. It's my understanding that the SWAT team took 45 minutes to get there, imagine if there was a home invasion, the owner of the house would have to depend on their firearms for their life. Read the Cato Institute report "Overkill", home invasions happen more frequently then most people would like think, sometimes by people pretending to be police officers. If someone was banging on my door at 10:30 at night, I'd have my AR-15, police uniform or not, if someone kicks through my door I'm shooting first, asking questions later. The police could arrest people at the grocery store, or pull them over on the side of the road, or several other ways besides kicking in the door. It's the police's fault for being so reckless, not the fault of someone trying to defend their home.
Fidelity â?¢ 3/9/09; 5:44:22 PM #

Fidelity... where did you get that statement from the Oregon AG? A source/link would be good if you have it. Always can use news quotes like that!
allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 7:11:23 PM #

I checked Google and nothing on - "John Kroger" marijuana - I know the Arizona AG made remarks along those lines.
allan â?¢ 3/9/09; 7:22:06 PM #

It was in person at a Portland town hall meeting, nor was that a direct quote but more of a summary of his position.
Fidelity â?¢ 3/9/09; 9:53:55 PM #

You could try Abbie at Oregon's NORML. Someone there might have gotten a direct quote written down, but it doesn't look like it from their website, and they didn't look particularly sober.
Fidelity â?¢ 3/9/09; 9:57:02 PM #

Oh I appreciate the need for protection from the "protectors" Fidelity. Now as far as reciting CATO and Overkill lol, Is there one post I've posted in the past 10 years on this and hundreds of forums that would remotely suggest I would in any way shape or form side with brutal SWAT Nazi Americans? Geeeezus do you have the wrong number. I've been passing the story since I heard it... Nice to read a real firm grasp of the obvious while simultaniously missing the point of why he was butchered. It had nothing to do with the deputies. They just pulled the triggers.

[Rusty Trichome]

Gotta love your last-minute edits to your posts. Your games are becoming almost fanatical. Say what you mean, then leave it for all to see. Your action shows who is the coward.

So your only defense to criticism is to lash-out, and call everybody that is intelligent enough to see through your rantings... "cowards", "fascists", "gunnuts"...
Seems you aren't here to advocate for anything but the destruction of everything you've been foolishly taught to hate. Pitiful such drive and persistance is accompanied by neurosis and childishness.

Rather than stealthily asking them through the "report post' feature, I'm going to man-up and say...

HEY MODS:
Should I report these posts, or respond in kind? I'm ready, willing and able to take this down to his level, but I was under the impression that this habitual harassment against other members was forbidden. If not...count me in as I have an axe or two to grind.

Also...how is this guy so special that he's permitted to flaunt multiple site rules unabated? About a year ago I get an infraction and temporary ban for telling another member he should smoke less crack, but this joker comes along ranting the benefits of hate and illicit drugs, and has yet to be inspired to accomodate your rules. What's up with that?