which fox farm bloom nutrient is best for a soil grow big bloom or tiger bloom?
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which fox farm bloom nutrient is best for a soil grow big bloom or tiger bloom?
I want to know the samething so i didn't make a new thread,so i hope you get a answer,i'm growing in soil & i my as well get a gallon of the best fert!
The Tiger bloom would be a better choice. It will last alot longer due to the mixing ratio and higher NPK ratio.
The Big Bloom is pure organic though and it has no Nitrogen in it.
It's recommended to use both as part of the feeding schedule, but I say try what you want.
thanks for the input i was leaning towards the tiger bloom anyway and this cinches it tiger bloom it is. thanks trinityQuote:
Originally Posted by trinitybound
I like BigBloom. Its somethiing you can use the entire grow if you want. I only use it once ever other week, along with my Open Sesame, BeastieBloom, and ChaChing. If i wasnt using there Ocean Forest soil and was using junk soil, i would definitly use it more tho.
I will say ive never used Tiger tho, there 2 different things.
I use both per their schedule, with the exception of the Big bloom, which I use at half-strength. (organic soil, lockout problems at full strength)
Both are components of a three-part system. If you haven't seen their feeding schedule, I'd look it over:
Fox Farm Feeding Schedule
A month or two ago, I wrote and asked Fox Farms if the 3-part system had any micronutes, or if I needed to get some more elsewhere. They said yes, it has all you need. (no specifics provided, tho)
I've shot Fox Farms another e-mail this morning asking if the Big Bloom is the one that contains the micronutes...waiting for the reply.
Trinity...likely if one doesn't know the product or the subject matter, one should wait for those with the experience to chime-in. It can really mess-up another's grow if they were to blindly follow bad info from someone pretending to know.
A) Big Bloom has nitrogen.
B) It's part of a 3-part system, designed to compliment each other throughout the grow.
C) If you remove one component, how do you know which nutes, metals or micro's you'll need to make-up for the loss?
well that makes things crystal clear, i just assumed that they were 2 different bloom nutrients not to be used in conjunction with each other. well you know what they say about when you assume............... you end up like looking like a ass lol. so now i see big bloom is more like a middle ground between big grow and tiger bloom. thanks for the expert advice your a inspiration to newb's like me everywhere............. just don't go getting a swelled head over it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
thanks again
Rusty TrichomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I do have experience in using Fox Farms products including Both types of Grow Big and the rest of the 6 part system. I buy this stuff in bulk for my entire garden, vegetables, trees and flowers.
Since he was looking into bloom only nutrients and by the wording of the post it seemed to me he was looking to go cheap using only one nute. I did mention that it is part of a feeding schedule and all he had to do was google that to find out more. But you found what I was referring to online (I have a local nursery where I get mine).
If I had told him to go buy the entire system for close to $130 and run the feeding schedule (which I've found that it will overdose quite a few plants depending on the grow medium and plant strain) I would be setting him up for failure. I'm not trying to call you out, I was only trying to answer the question simply.
Big Bloom has a negligible amount of Nitrogen .3 Which I agree isn't NONE. I should have said very little.
Research is the key animalman, You'll want to tailor your feeding to the plants needs and the growing medium your using. Be sure to post a grow log so everyone can help you from the beginning all the way through.
On my first run I went by the feeding schedule without looking for any advice and not only did I run out of Big Bloom halfway through but I nute burned half of my crop due to the differences in the strains I was growing.
Best wishes on a successful harvest :thumbsup:
Oops, I was wrong Big Bloom has .01% Nitrogen not .3%. Also read the bottle of Tiger Bloom says right on it "contains trace minerals"
OK...I finally got a reply from Fox Farms.
They told me that Big Bloom does not have enough phosphorus in it to use as a stand alone fertilizer when your plant is flowering, but Tiger bloom and Grow Big both have have the necessary micronutes.
You can use Big Bloom in combination with Tiger Bloom.
Big Bloom can be thought of as a catalyst, and it can be used the entire plants cycle, on new plants, and on plants that are not doing well.
So, I guess the Big Bloom is simply a worm casting/bat guano tea. Ya learn something new every day. :thumbsup:
My friend has mentioned that his success with Tiger Bloom was better than his trials with both Earth Juice Bloom and Botanicare Pure Blend Pro, He runs mostly indicas. He also mentioned His Super Silver Haze ladies really liked the PBP Bloom
I have been using Fox Farms in soil since April 07.
for the first year, I spent little and went with only Grow Big for Veg and Big Bloom for Flower. I would give nutes about once a week.
The thing i liked about Big Bloom is that it wont burn your plant.
Read the info on it, its got a nice variety of ingredients.
major nute%
0.01% N
0.3% P
0.7% K
I was using a soil mix of 2 parts MG soil, 1 part plain potting soil, and 1 part perlite. The MG soil is nutrient packed, but I flushed before use.
I also didnt add any nutes until at least a month in.
Altho the Fox Farms ppl may recommend not using Big Bloom as a stand-alone during flower, it did work for me, for a year. On 2 grows it worked remarkably well, given the conditions.
I have since started using the full line and have gotten the best results of my life on my current grow.
I'll Always use the full line from now on.:cool:
-edit- forgot to mention that I use the FF feed schedule for dosage amounts and i cut back to about 75% strength. but, i give nutes almost every watering (each watering is about 2-3 days), so they get nutes about twice or 3 x's a week.
If you later go with the soulables, be real careful...that shit is powerful. I only use the Cha Ching at the lowest dilution mentioned in the schedule, but I'm satisfied with the results. (I go with 1/8 tsp:gallon of mixed nute solution)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock.Steady
Are you saying that you give 3/4 strength...up to 3 times a week? Naw...I must be reading that wroing. Do yoiu mean 1/4 strength for each of the three feedings?
I give 1/2 dilution per the schedule, on Mondays and Thursdays, with fresh ph'd waterings inbetween. This totals 100% of the FF schedule. The exceptions being:
a) Big Bloom I add at 1/4 strength, twice a week for entire grow. (half their recommended ammount total for the week)
b) Soluables...Cha Ching I add 1/8 tsp:gallon of nute solution, whenever feeding the mature ladies.
Use both of them in conjunctino with the fox farm feedign schedule.
That is all I use to ever use with geat results until recently when I added Liquid Karma, Sugar Daddy,PK 13/14, and Clearex to the mix! Now it's on lock. :jointsmile:
actually Rusty, you have it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
as you know, different strains have different needs and tolerances.
I am currently working with White Widow and SNLxNH strains.
I did start them slow, 1/2 dosage once a week.
I gradually gave more, and more often and watched for the response.
we gradually got up to what i believe is approx 75% strength and nearly every watering.
These 2 strains love the nutes!
my (flower) mix is currently as follows-
Every Watering-
2 gal water
3 teaspoon Tiger Bloom
1.5 tablespoons Big Bloom
* every other watering, I add 3/4 teaspoon ChaChing (was Beastie Blooms in earlier stage, havent actually used the Open Sesame in first stage yet.)
for the last month at least, I been watering every 2-3 days.
thats 2 or 3 nute/waterings a week. I do occassionally give just water, but not in at last the week or 2.
Believe me, I am also surprised by how much nutes these girls are taking. But, look at my combo log in my sig, the proof is right there.
The SNLxNH are a hearty strain according to Weedhound who worked with it in the past. I did a lil diggin and found info that claimed WW could also take a decent load of nutes. I was watching for them to react poorly and woulda backed off, but quite the opposite happened.
I dont plan on giving any stronger doses, I'm very happy with the current results.
Wanda (WW) has been on water only for over a week and is coming down this weekend. the samples are outstanding.
OH, one other thing, forgot to add!
Ive noticed the nutes push my water's PH way down.
I have been adding a 1-2 tablespoons of PH UP as needed to get PH to 6.5-ish
I'm using the FF 3 part set in my grow (see KGB/Lemon Skunk thread in Grow Logs ) using coco as a medium. I use 1 tsp of Grow Big (soil version)or Tiger Bloom depending on where the schedule is, and 1 tbs of Big Bloom per gallon of water, feeding once every day, with a clear water flush on Sunday. Seems to be working remarkably well so far. Not using the solubles, though.
Quite correct about the FF line lowering pH, my well water is quite hard (8.0 or higher). Adding normal amount of nutes brings it to around 6.9-7.2 range.
another note-
my soil is very porous.
in a 3 gal pot, i have run out in 30sec-1.5 min.
usually, about 50% the water is run off.
i suspect that is why it hasnt hurt, doesnt soak in it.
I too am on 8.0 well water. I use ph Down (phosphoric acid) to bring it down to around 6.8 or 6.9, then I add the nutes. Leaves me around 6.4, depending on the non-FF additives. (CalMag Plus, Sweet, Soil Syrup, molasses...)Quote:
Originally Posted by feroce
Try adding some non anti-bacterial dishsoap to your ph'd water once. Around a tsp:gallon. Dishsoap is a surfactant (lowers the surface tension of the water, making it absorb into your media better) Usually one application is all you need during the grow. Don't overdo it, and make sure it's not anti-bacterial. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock.Steady