Little Carmalicious and Random Plants

My bf ordered 10 carmalicious seeds from AMS.com and got 20 random seeds extra. Order arrived as planned ;) Now he has one random and 4 carma growing, and i got to pick 3 random seeds to grow myself (i first put the ones that i thought looked the best in one group and then picked 3 very different looking seeds from that) :D They are all growing at a similar phase, and we repotted as many as space allowed, into a mixture of coco and normal soil. We just have them in the closet now, but we are making a better grow-room for them.
As it is now, for lighting we got Blue envirolite 200w, and we're gonna add a Red envirolite 200w in the next days (if we get to flowering we will be using 2 red ones, 200w and 250w.) When watering we use the GHE nutrition system, that we got in a store that also sells hydroponic systems (they pretend they are selling all this expensive plant stuff for tomato growing)
I marked his plants with A B C D E, and mine with 1 2 3 (only B C D E are carmas). I keep a "diary" of mine but he doesnt, so when i'm taking pictures of mine i also take pictures of his to see the progress.


SO we're just hoping they don't turn male, like our first try did (he was a beauty though).



I'll leave some pictured of them, one is from 4 days ago ( the seedling) and rest is from today (first pic is of that same seedling :)

Best of luck!

I'm glad to see someone growing Carmalicious! I've never ordered seeds, but my browser seems to find it's way over to A.M.S. on a regular basis to gaze at the porno-shot and re-read the description of that strain. I'll be checking back on this grow!!!

Thank you Kowalski :)


Today we bought some materials to make the new grow room. It's gonna be behind a little bathroom there. We also bought a fan to get the hot air out, and it won't look suspicious on a bathroom wall ;)
Then we put up the new lamp thingy (i don't know what its called in english) that we got from a friend that couldn't grow anymore, and a humidifyer (?(the round thing at the bottom of the picture, it blows out cold steam))

:D

Some update.. if anyones interested.. if not then i like boasting about them here anyways since i can't tell anyone else :D


We got them in a hyproponic system and they seem to be liking it.
I think they are growing pretty slow, but maybe i'm just being impatient :jointsmile: anyone has any tips on getting them to grow faster. Although the plan is to let them grow until we can take a clone and then put them right into flowering.


Pictures are of plant B (carmalicious) growing over 11 days

Boast Away! I'm very interested in seeing a Caramelicious grow and I'm sure plenty of other people on the board are as well :-)

If I ever have the expendable cash and a better grow space, I definitely want to order seeds for this strain - if it does indeed live up to the mouth watering description on the page :-)

A few questions come to mind about your planting medium and watering schedule, but I've never played with Coco so I'll just watch for now. Keep up the good work, and the updates!

No watering schedule, we just keep the flow all day and all night. Getting annoyed though from the watering things i put in the soil since its difficult to tell if its watering or not and sometimes they're just watering a few drops at a time. Seems to have happened to 2 of the plants and they had started looking a bit yellow :(

I'm hoping someone with experience using Coco will chime in here, but I'm wondering if these plant's aren't being over-watered. You're using a Coco/Soil mix right? If the roots are kept constantly saturated they may not get enough oxygen with this constant yet slow flow of water/nutrients. It seems like most of the Coco grows I've read water once each day, giving the medium enough time to dry sufficiently between waterings. If yours is Coco with soil mixed in, then it is going to hold moisture longer. Again, I have no experience with this medium, I've only done Ebb&Flow with Rockwool and Pea gravel and organic soil grow - in soil I water around once a week.

Again, I've never played with this stuff so I'm just extrapolating from what I've read - hopefully someone else will chime in here.

Theres no normal soil mixed with the coco now. We bought more coco and repotted into that, after washing the soil of them. :)

I did a bit of googling for you:

From Gardenscure:

"Coco is a bit dirty for recirculating. It only needs water once every two/three days in veg and once a day in flower. Mix the coco 60/40 with perlite and add an inch of clay balls to the bottom of the pot for best results."

From Canna Nation:

"im a coco grower and find that a weekly feed is more than enough, others feed them more often than that, but imo a weekly feed is all thats needed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/peace.gif) i usually feed once a week, wait 2-3 days for the pot to dry out and then give them plain, pH adjusted water and they do fine"

Don't drown your babies - you don't want the medium to be constantly saturated - actually you should wait until it is just about dry before watering. You can watch the plants to see when they need water - if they start to droop/wilt a bit, they're thirsty - don't worry it won't hurt them. They'll perk back up VERY quickly (within an hour or so) as soon as you water them. I would suggest ditching the watering system for now, water by hand until you know how often they need to be watered and then set your system up on a timer.

Constantly wet roots will result in root rot, plant death, and a slimy mess.

Thanks alot, thats some really usefull info :) The lady in the store that sold this to us said that it needs to be constantly wet since the coco itself has no nuts in them and as soon as the pot dries out the plants start wilting/dying. So putting the plants on a timer and feed them once a day with the hydro will give better results? (still in veg right now but every 3 days just sounds so drastic since coco gets try pretty quickly)
Btw i'll post some pics soon, they are starting to look really handsome :)

I just checked the roots on C, who had the worst roots of all when i repotted them in fresh coco. It now had roots reaching to the bottom, and they looked healthy :) But when changing the res the water had brown color and the pump felt a bit slimy :wtf:

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I just checked the roots on C, who had the worst roots of all when i repotted them in fresh coco. It now had roots reaching to the bottom, and they looked healthy :) But when changing the res the water had brown color and the pump felt a bit slimy :wtf:

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I wouldn't be too concerned about that, just be sure to change your solution every week or two.

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Thanks alot, thats some really usefull info :) The lady in the store that sold this to us said that it needs to be constantly wet since the coco itself has no nuts in them and as soon as the pot dries out the plants start wilting/dying. So putting the plants on a timer and feed them once a day with the hydro will give better results? (still in veg right now but every 3 days just sounds so drastic since coco gets try pretty quickly)
Btw i'll post some pics soon, they are starting to look really handsome :)

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You don't want it to be constantly saturated - the roots need oxygen, that is why DWC systems, where the roots are always submerged in the solution, have constant aeration - to keep plenty of oxygen in the solution - but if that air pump dies, those poor plants are gonna be real unhappy real fast. Ebb & Flow systems flood the medium and then drain all of the water out again causing fresh air to be sucked down as the water level falls.

Hydroponics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <-- here's a good read.

2 new pictures of B taken on 29okt and today, though on the today picture it looks sad since we we're moving them to the new grow room :)

we put a timer on so they get watered 3 times a day, they seem to like that better :D thanks for the tip Kowalski!

They're looking good!

looking good keep the updtes coming what kind of nuts are you using

we're using a 3 part GHE nutrient Flora Series. We took some clones earlier this week, starting flowering tomorrow. Gonna turn of the light at 06:00 and turn it back on sunday at 12:00 (read something about having a very long dark time up to 36 hours the first day is good for flowering) and then we'll be having from 12 to 12 light cycle. Here are some pics of the clones and a little teaser :P

dude looking exactly like my caramelicious! I started flowering them about that time too and mine is a fucking monster now, like literally taking up way more than the one square foot I tried to designate it for! I am at week 5 of flowering and I am at about 34 inches tall and HUGE fan leaves, like 7inch long fingers...you are in for a fun grow :rastabanna:

oh my... i got 8 of them in a hydro that is meant for 4.... i hope the males show themselves quickly or it's gonna get really cramped in there :P

for sure m8, unfortunately I hate to inform you but these caramelicious like to be dudes...I dont know why. The mixed seeds did average but I got two females and a hermie out of 6 caramelicious seeds, and a lot of the other people I have seen grow these are having pretty shitty female rates...I dont mean to scare you at all, just giving telling you what I have seen. On the positive side my caramelicious plant is very very strong and deisease resistant compared to my other babes. And even if you do only get a couple females you can grow them into beasties! :greenthumb:

well now i'm super excited, one of my plants has started to show sex and its was female i think. Will keep people updated and pics are comming soon :P

Looks like atleast one of the carmas is gonna be a lady! :jointsmile:

I think we have a female! Congrats. I wish I could show you a pic of my caramelicious babe, its literally just a monster in the closet :) But I am on a paranoid spree so I can't...

Long time since i updated this page but here it goes.
Now we've got 2 female carmalicious and 1 random plant that isnt showing any sex (i think its just retarded or something, gonna throw it out).
They are currently on their 3rd week of flowering but havent started producing any buds so to speak (lots of those long hairs at bud nodes though), is that something to worry about? I also switched to a high P-K nutrition for the 3rd week. They are about 40 - 50 Cm tall
I have switched to a 600 W HPS and i was wondering you could tell me the minimum length away from the plants?
Pictures coming soon i hope, getting the camera back soon :)

can noone shed some light on this? :P

im actually a noob so please be sure to double check me on this.
but with that said.

I believe a 600W HPS on 3 plants(possibly 2) should be 8"-12" from the top of the plants. Im not sure if you have one but i hear light movers, when done right and safely, are very helpful and beneficial. Something to look into.

Also i see in the op that you have 1 200W "red" envirolite and 1 200W "blue" envirolite, once again excuse me i too am a newb, are these cfl? or a light that may be you could also run vertically to help with getting the lower, harder to reach, buds/branches. Disregard this if it is of no use to you, but just a thought.

More light means better buds right?

I demand an update though!!

if you just switched to the sodium bulb that should help fill out the buds and as far as the distance between the light depends on your setup but i keep mine at about 15 inches away and they seem fine:jointsmile:

I lend my blue CFL bulb to a friend but atm i am running the HPS and a 250 W envirolite CFL to get to the lower branches. Pics comming this weekend, any1 out there got some juice carmalicious bud porn for me? :D
PS thanks for the update on the HPS, will lower it :P

looks good.

alright, now we are talking! They are showing some real action now, stretching from 38CM to 60CM in just 11 days. They are starting to form the actual buds and lots of them! No crystals yet but i hope that will change soon. Pics of the pretty babies.
PS, threw the random plant out, was male :(

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I lend my blue CFL bulb to a friend but atm i am running the HPS and a 250 W envirolite CFL to get to the lower branches. Pics comming this weekend, any1 out there got some juice carmalicious bud porn for me? :D
PS thanks for the update on the HPS, will lower it :P

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When you were talking about caramelicious bud porn were you talking to me? Hahaha sorry I haven't stopped by in a while I have been really really busy. Lets just say I am putting my babes into overdrive (literally with advanced nutrients) and it is fucking resinous and sticky like Velcro. I will give you some pics of the finished product here in a couple weeks and I will post them in this thread. :) Yours look really really good by the way, you are keeping them under control...mine is pushing 45 inches....:jointsmile:

i hope they stretch out a liiiiiittle bit more, wanna get them to around 80 CM hopefully :P You know the avrg yeild of a carmalicious? Or what i could expect with 60 cm? I have also been reading a little bit on pruning but i havent decided wether to do it or not, do you do it to your girls?

Yea you probably do want them to get a little but taller. And at the stage where you are pretty much at, mine seemed to have stopped growing taller and just started putting on bud mass. But honestly, you will still get a good amount out of those babies seeing how healthy they are. God caramelicious is an awesome strain!
I would say predicting the yield is pretty much like predicting a close basketball game at halftime, that shit can go either way. But you have kept yours pretty damn healthy so I think you should get at least an oz out of each, if not two. The best way to figure that is 1/2 gram per watt of light, that is pretty much the best estimate for hps lights. I would say that it will be closer to two oz if they are still getting an inch taller a day, and if they are not getting much taller then closer to 1 oz per plant.
As for pruning, I would not cut off any of the upper fan leaves because there is a lot of nutes going into those babies and when you are on the flush the buds will swell bigger if you leave them on. However that said, I would cut off all branches (fan leaves and budding branches) on the bottom 6 inches of your plants to promote bigger buds on top.

Well there is my high essay for you, I actually just clipped off some of the bottom branch nugs and just smoked them :)

And P.S. just for a little fine tuning I would give them a flush because the leaves look a little bit ridged, but other than that looks like a perfect pair of plants!

you fan leaves a fucking huge too huh!? Mine are monstrosities...

Thanks for the heads up on the lower branches :P I got a 250W envirolite for the lower branches but it doesnt seem to be cutting it (you can see the light on one of the picture) but i am gonna prune a few of em off now then.
BTW are your producing any crystals yet? Mine are just forming buds, and lots of them to.
PS. They stretched another extra 2 inches during the nighttime :P Its incredible to watch these babies grow, I've never dreamed of anything that could grow this fast! And this is my first grow (except for one male plant) and i couldnt be more happy about the strain i chose.
Will try to be more active about posting pics.

Oh hell yea, you are so set if it stretched another two inches and it hasn't produced resin yet...your buds are going to be so bomb! Caramelicious is a pretty damn resinous strain, and it grows like a bamboo-tree/bush. You are going to see a lot of progress in the next couple of weeks I am thinking.... :) Keep it up!

Oh and to answer your question about mine producing resin...it is damn sticky now! It looks to me like you are only a few weeks behind mine so get ready for monsters in your closet! Haha and I showed my buddy your pics and he complimented them and said they look like mine babes a few weeks ago ;p

A small update here, added a 10UVB lamp in my grow room for some extra crystals, the results could be seen the next day! The next day a few of the leaves were literally swarming with small crystals. (the plant had none)
I am running them full power now, cheating a little on the nute table (adding a little more than I should :P) and they seem to be responding fine. They stretched to 70 CM now and I can fairly say that even though they are in late flowering they are still stretching 1-3 CM a day. I've been trimming them ferociously lately due to lack of space and light not reaching lower bud nodes.
The plant didn't show any stunted growth pattern and it stretched 3 CM that same night so i can fairly say that i got lucky on what leaves to take away :)
I would love some second opinion though, here are a few pictures and please don't hesitate to point out mistakes in pruning :P (you can just compare these pictures to the ones I sent in a few days back)

PS. Zoom in on pic 5, looks really delicious :P

Try not to prune after flowering is established...You want as little stress as possible to make sure you avoid the dreaded "H" word...:jointsmile:

Thanks for the heads up, havent noticed any stunted growth as i said so i think they didnt get shocked that much :)