Palin and Big Oil... Connection? I think so!

Firstly, I must admit that I am not that politically active, and only view it from the side from time to time. After living in America for 17 years, I left to return to my home country, but still have family in the states, so I like to see whats going on over there...

Now to the point. Bush was the governor of Texas before being president. There is a lot of oil in Texas. Palin is the governor of Alaska. There is a lot of oil in Alaska. Both are complete idiots and have no idea about how to run a country. Coincidence? I think not...

There are some oil companies who would love to start drilling in Alaska, hence all the talk in the McCain/Palin campaigns about drilling on American soil/offshore.

It is sad for me to think that America will once again be run by the big corporations. I don't know much about Obama, but it wouldn't surprise me if he also had someone(corporate America) stuffing his pockets (in addition to the alleged terrorists)...

One more thing, a little off topic, but I read an article online which claimed Alaska to have more oil than Saudi Arabia, better quality too! This was found in the 1970's, but shut down by the government... This much oil would definitely lower the market prices, lowering profits for the oil companies. Here is the article: Corrupt government, conspiracy, new world order, no future.
I am not saying I believe it to be true, but it wouldn't surprise me, AT ALL.

BigTopsFinn, out.

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

Firstly, I must admit that I am not that politically active, and only view it from the side from time to time. After living in America for 17 years, I left to return to my home country, but still have family in the states, so I like to see whats going on over there...

Now to the point. Bush was the governor of Texas before being president. There is a lot of oil in Texas. Palin is the governor of Alaska. There is a lot of oil in Alaska. Both are complete idiots and have no idea about how to run a country. Coincidence? I think not...

There are some oil companies who would love to start drilling in Alaska, hence all the talk in the McCain/Palin campaigns about drilling on American soil/offshore.

It is sad for me to think that America will once again be run by the big corporations. I don't know much about Obama, but it wouldn't surprise me if he also had someone(corporate America) stuffing his pockets (in addition to the alleged terrorists)...

One more thing, a little off topic, but I read an article online which claimed Alaska to have more oil than Saudi Arabia, better quality too! This was found in the 1970's, but shut down by the government... This much oil would definitely lower the market prices, lowering profits for the oil companies. Here is the article: Corrupt government, conspiracy, new world order, no future.
I am not saying I believe it to be true, but it wouldn't surprise me, AT ALL.

BigTopsFinn, out.

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for someone who isn't really interested in politics and who doesn't even live
here in the US, you sure do have some nasty things to say.

maybe you should do some research before spewing the Democratic pap that
you so obviously believe.

and maybe, you could try, if you want to involve yourself in the discussion,
you could try disagreeing on the issues rather than just being insulting.

you obviously don't know much about American politics if you think an idiot
can rise to the level that Bush and Palin have achieved.

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

..... I read an article online which claimed Alaska to have more oil than Saudi Arabia, better quality too! This was found in the 1970's, but shut down by the government... This much oil would definitely lower the market prices, lowering profits for the oil companies.

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who do you think it is that keeps that oil in the ground? surely not the oil companies, who have been screaming to open new drilling sites on u.s. soil for decades, nor is it the few remaining vestiges of conservatism in our government, that are constantly being accused of catering to "big oil". do you honestly think that oil company profits would go down if they could bypass opec's stranglehold on on oil prices? it is the liberal establishment, bowing to the environmental lobby, that keeps us at the mercy of foreign oil sources. even though those sites could be drilled safely, with little chance of disastrous spills and environmental damage, the liberal elite would rather see our nation's people held hostage by speculation and foreign governments than risk alienating the environmentalist power base.

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for someone who isn't really interested in politics and who doesn't even live
here in the US, you sure do have some nasty things to say.

maybe you should do some research before spewing the Democratic pap that
you so obviously believe.

and maybe, you could try, if you want to involve yourself in the discussion,
you could try disagreeing on the issues rather than just being insulting.

you obviously don't know much about American politics if you think an idiot
can rise to the level that Bush and Palin have achieved.

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You, sir, just need to not speak anymore, until given directives or have a valid point to spew.

First off: Not Democratic pap, but a valid question from an interested party. As he doesn't live here, I wouldn't be so damn quick to label him with an AMERICAN party name.

Second: LOL. Ever post I've seen from you the past two days at least is strictly insulting and essentially pointless, mostly just bashing of Democrats and Liberals with standard talking points, nothing special there.

Lastly: It seems like he knows much more about American politics because he's AWARE of the fact that somehow, you can be president but a complete dumbass at the same time, a la GWB and now (hopefully not) Sarah Palin. Intelligence is not conducive to political success. Sorry, it's just not.

Anywho, that's what I think of YOUR ludicrous post.

Well its nice to see the different viewpoints of people... I try not to believe the first thing I hear, but rather bring it up in discussion with others.

About the article, I thinks its nonsense, but to answer the hypothetical question, "who do you think is keeping that oil in the ground", I don't think the environmentalists could have that big of a voice in the matter. The conspiracy-theorist in me just wanted to share that little article with you.

Also, I did not find my words to be that nasty, more realistic... And Bush? Are you kidding me? I actually lived in the U.S. for 6 of those years, before the housing and economic crisis, and can say that IN MY OPINION, he is puppet, and not even a good one at that. And Palin? "Gosh Darn It!" It doesn't take smarts to get into office in America, it takes money, and friends.

BigTopsFinn, Out again

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Lastly: It seems like he knows much more about American politics because he's AWARE of the fact that somehow, you can be president but a complete dumbass at the same time, a la GWB and now (hopefully not) Sarah Palin. Intelligence is not conducive to political success. Sorry, it's just not.

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I'd have to say GWB is not a dumbass, although I don't particularly like him as president. He is definitely a poor speaker; very poor LOL. However he does have decent foreign policy experience; he tried to reform Fannie and Freddie in time and time again do to accounting errors and the fact that they were both getting too large, his tax cuts at the time they were implemented did help to spur the economy, the first stimulus package came at the right time (although the second stimulus package was useless.. and now it seems that people just throw stimulus packages out there as political moves "What's that.. here's some money; now vote for us" a la Nancy Pelosi). His domestic policies have not been great.

And his reaction to 9/11 was spot on; although he dropped the ball by going into Iraq before demanteling Al Queda and capturing Osama Bin Laden. Which may be moot anyway since The Taliban has denounced their association with Al Queda, and is working with the Afghan government with the King of Saudi Arabia as a moderator/intermediary for negotiations.

Has Bush made a number of bad decisions and obviously weaker in some areas then others. DEFINITELY!! Is he the best president ever, definitely NOT... is he a dumbass; I'd have to say no.

Everyone seems to forget that during his first term of president he had approval ratings above 70%.

I'm not stupid, but then again I wasn't super fond of him during his first term either.. I also didn't hate him; and I'd like to believe that Americans weren't stupid for the first 4 years he was in office and suddenly got intelligent. <shrug>

"Everyone seems to forget that during his first term of president he had approval ratings above 70%."

Sadly that was just because of 9/11, and "getting those terrorist killers"

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"Everyone seems to forget that during his first term of president he had approval ratings above 70%."

Sadly that was just because of 9/11, and "getting those terrorist killers"

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prior to 9/11 he had a 90% approval rating.

"Intelligence is not conducive to political success."

- goddamn shame about it...we had a federal election in canada yesterday...one of the attack ads from the conservative party portrayed the liberal leader in front of a blackboard and dismissed him as a professor, like that was a bad thing...before entering public service, the liberal leader was a professor of political science

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"Intelligence is not conducive to political success."

- goddamn shame about it...we had a federal election in canada yesterday...one of the attack ads from the conservative party portrayed the liberal leader in front of a blackboard and dismissed him as a professor, like that was a bad thing...before entering public service, the liberal leader was a professor of political science

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It's not a bad thing.. seems like a weak point of attack from the conservative base. Can you find the video on youtube? I'd be interested in seeing it.

hey daihashi

you're talking to me again! YAY!

it's not on youtube...it was an internet ad on their website

funny story:
another attack ad on the conservative website featured a photo of the liberal leader, with a tiny cartoon bird flying across the top of the screen, and dropping a little white bird poop on the liberal leader's shoulder

the funny bit:
the conservative prime minister pulled the ad and personally apologized for going over the line...HA!

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Originally Posted by maladroit

hey daihashi

you're talking to me again! YAY!

it's not on youtube...it was an internet ad on their website

funny story:
another attack ad on the conservative website featured a photo of the liberal leader, with a tiny cartoon bird flying across the top of the screen, and dropping a little white bird poop on the liberal leader's shoulder

the funny bit:
the conservative prime minister pulled the ad and personally apologized for going over the line...HA!

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Rofl!! I wish we had ad's like that here. It would make politics a bit more light hearted.

here's an article about the poop ad and the apology:
TheStar.com - Dion accepts Harper's apology over puffin poop ad


be careful of what you wish for: you might just get it...canadian elections are way less fun than american elections...watching politicians debate issues is BORING! the entire world is fixated on every american election...it's the best show on the planet...more fun than a brawl in the taiwanese parliament!

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Well its nice to see the different viewpoints of people... I try not to believe the first thing I hear, but rather bring it up in discussion with others.

About the article, I thinks its nonsense, but to answer the hypothetical question, "who do you think is keeping that oil in the ground", I don't think the environmentalists could have that big of a voice in the matter. The conspiracy-theorist in me just wanted to share that little article with you.

Also, I did not find my words to be that nasty, more realistic... And Bush? Are you kidding me? I actually lived in the U.S. for 6 of those years, before the housing and economic crisis, and can say that IN MY OPINION, he is puppet, and not even a good one at that. And Palin? "Gosh Darn It!" It doesn't take smarts to get into office in America, it takes money, and friends.

BigTopsFinn, Out again

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calling the President a 'complete idiot' is nasty dude, especially from someone
not American! i guess even an idiot can earn an MBA!

maybe you should concern yourself with politics in your own country rather
than insulting others political leaders.

mind your own business, as a foriegner, your opiniion is of no consequence.
gol dang it!

I am an American, and I do not think Bush is an idiot, but I do think he is a high-functioning moron. And before you get on my case for calling him a moron, remember I said "high-functioning!"

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I am an American, and I do not think Bush is an idiot, but I do think he is a high-functioning moron. And before you get on my case for calling him a moron, remember I said "high-functioning!"

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as a moron, you don't earn a Bachelor's degree from Yale and an MBA from
Harvard, no matter how 'high-funtioning' you are.

IQ Range Classification

70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot

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I don't think the environmentalists could have that big of a voice in the matter.

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then you don't realize the power of one of america's most influential special interest groups. just look around, green is the new buzz word and to gainsay the tree-huggers' network is to put your political career in dire peril. the media has wholeheartedly embraced the cause and it is used to sell everything from diapers to cars. after all, who can deny the importance of our environment? only the sort of pains we are going through now could ever get any but the most suicidal of these political animals to even suggest drilling in the holy shrines of nature. for decades the needs of the people have placed a poor second to the desires of environmentalists to leave nature undisturbed. should the fanatics of peta get their way, we'll be coming in third behind roaches and house flies.

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Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

mind your own business, as a foreigner, your opinion is of no consequence.
gol dang it!

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aw, come on. if it weren't for the relatively uninformed and lunatics like me, this place would be a ghost town.:D

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

then you don't realize the power of one of america's most influential special interest groups. just look around, green is the new buzz word and to gainsay the tree-huggers' network is to put your political career in dire peril. the media has wholeheartedly embraced the cause and it is used to sell everything from diapers to cars. after all, who can deny the importance of our environment? only the sort of pains we are going through now could ever get any but the most suicidal of these political animals to even suggest drilling in the holy shrines of nature. for decades the needs of the people have placed a poor second to the desires of environmentalists to leave nature undisturbed. should the fanatics of peta get their way, we'll be coming in third behind roaches and house flies.

aw, come on. if it weren't for the relatively uninformed and lunatics like me, this place would be a ghost town.:D

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lol, you're 'delusional' !

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as a moron, you don't earn a Bachelor's degree from Yale and an MBA from
Harvard, no matter how 'high-funtioning' you are.

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Ha ha! I don't want to diminish the quality of these great schools, but yeah, the rich and connected can get admitted to them with substandard qualificatons, and they can get through with passing grades without much effort.

Honestly though, Bush is clearly not really an idiot or moron. My honest impression is that he is someone who is used to privilege and power and having connections get him through life. He wasn't ready to be president, so he relied on on advice of people who were willing to manipulate him for their own purposes. I don't think he is really even a bad guy inside, despite the despicable things he has done. I think he was weak and vulnerable after a lifetime of being coddled and he was used because of it.

having a famous rich bloodline could enable a moron to scrape through the MBA program with C grades...i know some stupid people who muddled through medical school

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having a famous rich bloodline could enable a moron to scrape through the MBA program with C grades...i know some stupid people who muddled through medical school

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lol, are they the ones who did your labotomy?

lol, sorry, didn't mean to insult you. but really man, first, Bush isn't in this
election, and second, Obama just doesn't have any experience that qualifies
him to run this country! and, he's a socialist!

bush is in this election: he campaigned for mccain and his economic, foreign, and domestic policies are being debated...more importantly, george bush is the president right now, and unlike obama, bush is a REAL socialist who is currently in the process of nationalizing the US financial industry

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lol, you're 'delusional' !

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and proud of it!:hippy:

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calling the President a 'complete idiot' is nasty dude, especially from someone
not American! i guess even an idiot can earn an MBA!

maybe you should concern yourself with politics in your own country rather
than insulting others political leaders.

mind your own business, as a foriegner, your opiniion is of no consequence.
gol dang it!

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Well justanotherbozo, I am not American, but my family does live there, they are registered voters, and they have the same opinion as I do about your president. We in Europe have felt the impact of the U.S. economic collapse, and I am concerned about this new election for that reason. I guess the teachers at my University are also idiots with MBA's (and more) for telling us that your election will affect all of us around the world.

If you don't like my opinions, ignore them. It's too bad that you have to resort to putting other people down. (Sounds like someone else's campaign, right?)

I am surprised you haven't told the other members of the board yet that "You should get to know the real bigtopsfinn"

Thanks to the other board members for your opinions! I would agree that Bush has had his moments, but in the end, he's probably not the one making them. Perhaps he is smart on the inside, but I've never seen that side of him come out yet.

And for the record, I support neither of the candidates, I think they are both poor choices, which seems to be a trend in these elections since bush/gore. I still have many friends there in America, and I always loved the American people, but I didn't like they way their government treated them.

bush has the worst poll rating of any president...it's a record that will be hard to beat:

Bush: Job Ratings

Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president - CNN.com

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bush has the worst poll rating of any president...it's a record that will be hard to beat:

Bush: Job Ratings

Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president - CNN.com

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I wonder what you'll have to whine about when Bush is no longer in Office.

Again; for his first term Bush had about a 70% approval rating and upwards of 90% from 9/11 on back.

It wasn't until his second term that his approval rating went down; and it's really only plummeted in the last 2 years.

Here's some interesting info for you:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just nine percent (9%) of Likely Voters give Congress positive ratings, while 51% say it's doing a poor job.

Rasmussen Reportsâ?¢: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

Democrats have both the House and the Senate, need I remind you.

I can't find individual approval ratings for Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi, but as of July 2007 it was 27%, 40% respectively... I guarantee you it's much lower now.

Everything is connected. Whether a 'connected' person will act in an ethical way is another matter entirely... as evidenced by Palin's little domestic issue with her former brother in law... something she and her husband should have stayed out of entirely. Oopsie.

are you saying i can't whine about bush because he was popular 6 years ago? or because some democrats have low ratings too? how does that work?

if i whine about bush for as long as the right wing noise machine has been bleating about bill clinton (36%), jimmy carter (28%), and even FDR (48%), then i will probably stop whining before the US gov't pays off the national debt bush created

george bush is the worst president in history...the effects of his disasterous administration will be felt for generations...that's worth talking about for a LOOOOOONG time!

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are you saying i can't whine about bush because he was popular 6 years ago? or because some democrats have low ratings too? how does that work?

if i whine about bush for as long as the right wing noise machine has been bleating about bill clinton (36%), jimmy carter (28%), and even FDR (48%), then i will probably stop whining before the US gov't pays off the national debt bush created

george bush is the worst president in history...the effects of his disasterous administration will be felt for generations...that's worth talking about for a LOOOOOONG time!

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I'm saying you seem to be whining just to whine. Yes Bush has a low approval rating; but the Senate and Congress which are controlled by the democratic party have a single digit approval rating. Harry Reid has a 27% approval rating as of July in 2007; which is just as low as Bush; Nancy Pelosi has a 40% approval rating as of July 2007 and i'm sure her approval rating is much lower now.

So I ask you what is the point you're trying to make. We have 3 levels of government for a reason. The president doesn't make everything happen, neither does the Congress/Senate.

It's all tied together so if you're going to point your finger at Bush you also need to look at the legislative branch and to a degree the Judicial branches of government.

Your persistent attacks calling for the President being the source of all our problems is not true and I'm not sure who you're convincing because you're very much one sided.

It's almost like you post this stuff just so you can read your own posts, but by all means go for it. I'll just rebuttal every time i see something that is not necessarily correct.

edit: And popular approval is a good indicator of how well you served the citizens of the Nation at the time; but it is not a reflection of how good a president you were. Just as the name suggests it's simply a measure of how popular you were in the country at the time. Sometimes it may correlate to how good a president you were, but often times not.

The two are not 1 in the same. I don't think Bill Clinton was horrible.. but at the same time I don't think he did much of anything either (although i do think a number of issues we see today have stemmed from *some* things that came from this administration), Jimmy Carter was a pretty cruddy president; and I think FDR had many good policies that we still see today.

Continue on your agenda.

do you think george bush is a good president?

is it ok to whine about a president that is still living in the white house and actively nationalizing the heart of capitalism while bankrupting the country? i think that's the best time to whine...you should be whining too, unless you like what he's doing

WAH!

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do you think george bush is a good president

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I've answered this already; but to answer your question and keep it short.. No I don't think he's a particularly great president.. I think he's had some hard decisions he's had to make also and is not a horrible president either. I do not particularly like him or his style or his poor speaking abilities, but my personal feelings aside and looking at it from a pure politics standpoint; he's more or less neutral. I can give more detail on this; but i'll say this because I know you're going to bring it up.. the economy was already on a decline prior to when Bush took office in 2000. There were many factors surrounding this.. 1 thing being the dot com boom and bubble burst.

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is it ok to whine about a president that is still living in the white house and actively nationalizing the heart of capitalism while bankrupting the country? i think that's the best time to whine...you should be whining too, unless you like what he's doing

WAH!

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Not unless you want to also equally blame the senate/congress which is Democratic Majority and could stop anything that Bush tries to do.

I *try* to avoid whining.. instead I investigate.

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Not unless you want to also equally blame the senate/congress which is Democratic Majority and could stop anything that Bush tries to do.

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't be so sure about that meng. They may have had the majority the past few years, but it hasn't been a HUGE majority. Bush can veto anything they start and they'll still have a hard time over ruling him because the gap isn't so huge in Congress. I'd say they have a 50% chance to reeeeally hammer something through if they want. If it was like......4 to 1 in favor of Dems they'd probably have no problem getting anything they want. However, I'm still a fan of getting rid of all political parties and everyone being strictly Independent, because that's what MOST Americans are. We need to just force politicians to be in the middle, regardless of their beliefs or values, because we need to put the issues before the politics.

i do blame the congress and the democrats too, and i have said so on these boards, but the buck has to stop somewhere and it's usually at the person in charge: the person who crafts policy to issue risky loans to low income homebuyers, the person who launches invasions based on false information, the person who submits budgets that turn a $3 trillion surplus into a $6 trillion deficit over 10 years, the person who turns his back on treaties, the person who authorizes torture, the person who does away with habeas corpus, the person who violated multiple international laws...THAT person needs to be singled out for special attention because another person like that could sneak into the white house if we're not supposed to whine about the guy who did all that (and is still in the white house)

clinton nearly got chucked out of the white house for messing around with an intern...nixon had to quit because he lied about some money he slipped to the lawyers who defended the watergate burglars...what does a president have to do to get impeached? steal office supplies???

Interesting reading guys. I thought it was getting a bit serious so here's a quick break. According to this site, even McCain thinks it's time for a change:

Xratedshirts.com: "Time for a change" Tee Shirt Design.

Palin is (imo) someone who is not averse to trying to use her position for her own ends, the incident involving her former brother in law should be warning enough.
As for Bush , the man is simply a mouthpiece for the party as is any president or prime minister , unfortumately he is also incredibly bad at the job.
People say Palin is the one for the job.
I agree
But! Only if the job is skinning a moose and trying to get your ex brother in law fired :thumbsup: :D

Personally, I think Bush is an idiot whose handlers stole two elections for him so they could use him as they pleased.

Government doesn't rule the people. Money rules the people, the government, and the world. So, if you really want to know who leads us, I guess you have to find out who controls the money.

Oh, and about the Alaskan oil...If we know how to collect vast amounts of energy from the sun's rays, the cool breeze, the rolling ocean, and the earth's heat...WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME WITH AN EXPENSIVE, INEFFICIENT FORM OF ENERGY!?

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Personally, I think Bush is an idiot whose handlers stole two elections for him so they could use him as they pleased.

Government doesn't rule the people. Money rules the people, the government, and the world. So, if you really want to know who leads us, I guess you have to find out who controls the money.

Oh, and about the Alaskan oil...If we know how to collect vast amounts of energy from the sun's rays, the cool breeze, the rolling ocean, and the earth's heat...WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME WITH AN EXPENSIVE, INEFFICIENT FORM OF ENERGY!?

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Because too many powerful and influential people have thier fortunes tied up in the business and thier goverment connections have been dragging thier feet when it comes to investing in other energy sources. :thumbsup:

oil is a lot more efficient than solar, wind, or tidal energy...it's cheaper per kilowatt hour, and all the infrastructure is already in place...IMO the two main problems with oil are that the usa doesn't have enough oil to supply itself, and there is a limited amount of oil left in the world...we could wait until the free market decides alternative energy is a better choice but the markets are imperfect and corrupt, and would blindly lead us to disaster if there was a profit to be made in doing so

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IMO the two main problems with oil are that the usa doesn't have enough oil to supply itself, and there is a limited amount of oil left in the world...

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These are two big problems. The fact we don't have enough domestic oil means we pay our eneimeis for it, and the fact that it is limited means eventually we will have to change our infrastructure for whatever comes next or watch our economy collapse for lack of energy.

But the biggest problem is one you did not mention --- oil is an extremely dirty and polluting energy source. For me, that is the biggest reason to find alternative energy sources. And if the alternative can be domestic and renewable, like, wind, solar, tide, geothermal, etc., then that has the added benefits of solving the two problems you mentioned too.