Some facts about Ron Paul you may not have known

• Ron Paul's tears can shrink government. Too bad he never cries.
  
• Ron Paul has no alarm clock, but instead wakes every morning to the
• call of freedom.
  
• Ron Paul blew up both Death Stars, but the media spun the facts
  in favor of Luke and Lando.
  
• Ron Paul is fighting a battle of ideas against unarmed opponents.
  
• Ron Paul is an anagram for "Our Plan".
  
• Ron Paul taught Yoda how to use the force.
  
• Ron Paul doesn't cut taxes. He kills them with his bare hands.
  
• Jesus wears a wrist band that says "What Would Ron Paul Do?"
  
• Ron Paul doesn't sleep. He deliberates.
  
• Ron Paul got an email telling him he won $475 million in the
  Nigerian Lottery, responded, and got his check in two days.
  
• If Ron Paul had lived in Sparta, the movie would have been called "1".
  
• Ron Paul doesn't go the gym. He stays fit by exercising his civil rights.
  
• The Pentagon once had 6 sides...until Ron Paul got his hands on it.
  
• Ron Paul has been shot at more than a dozen times, but the
  "pro- 2nd Amendment" bullets refuse to harm him.
  
• Ron Paul took a lie detector test. The lie detector tapped out.
  
• Ron Paul can fly, but doesn't because its unconsitutional.
  
• Ron Paul declared war on the war on drugs.
  
• Ron Paul can turn water into the American Flag.
  
• Ron Paul wasn't born. He liberated himself from the womb.
  
• Ron Paul let the dogs out. They were being held without due process.
  
• Ron Paul knows dozens of words that rhyme with "orange".
  
• When fascism goes to sleep at night, it checks under the
  bed for Ron Paul.
  
• Ron Paul was the OB that Delivered Chuck Norris.
  
• Ron Paul can recite pi to 1776 decimal places.
  
• Chuck Norris was a Liberal until Ron Paul kicked some
  sense into him.
  
• Ron Paul defies the Laws of (Political) Science!
  
• In Braveheart, Mel Gibson was originally supposed to
  scream "RON PAUL!" however, it was changed to just "Freedom!" for legal reasons.
  
• Hannibal Lecter is not interested in Ron Paul's liver.
  He would, however, like to know more about Ron Paul's plan to abolish the IRS.
  
• Ron Paul hates Raymond.
  
• ...and on the seventh day, Ron Paul said "I'll take it from here."
  
• The sun will go blind if it stares at Ron Paul.
  
• Ron Paul splits atoms....with a butterknife.
  
• Ron Paul once held a Congressional inquiry regarding the
  2000 budget. There were no survivors.
  
• At sporting events, most people stand during the Star-Spangled Banner. Ron Paul levitates.
  
• Ron Paul's car doesn't turn left.
  
• When the Moon looks down at the Earth - the moon sees Ron Paul!
  
• Ron Paul is the only political virgin in the U.S. Congress;
  he's never screwed America.
  
• Superheroes fantasize about becoming Ron Paul.
  
• If you spell Ron Paul backwards, you get the Constitution.
  
• The Ark of the Covenant does not contain the 10 Commandments.
  It contains Ron Paul's birth certificate.
  
• Ron Paul doesn't masturbate, but if he did it would be to
  the constitution.

Just so you Republicans know what you missed out on when you voted in McCain! (I picked out the best ones :D )


Ron Paul Facts -- The Beginning

Nice... I was expecting some dirty secret from the past. I could picture him pulling off his face like a bad-guy mask on Scooby Doo... to reveal that he is a monster.

My favorites:
-Ron Paul is fighting a battle of ideas against unarmed opponents
-Jesus wears a wrist band that says "What Would Ron Paul Do?"
-Ron Paul doesn't sleep. He deliberates.
-Ron Paul doesn't go the gym. He stays fit by exercising his civil rights.
-Ron Paul can fly, but doesn't because its unconsitutional.

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LOLOL!!! :S2:

HAHAHAHAHA

F'n LOL!

I (heart) Ron Paul!

THAT'S the kind of Republican I am.

Honestly, Ron Paul would probably destroy this country if he were elected president. I'd still vote for him though. :D

Sort of unrelated but anyway
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that's hysterical!:D

Ron Paul is living proof there are no literacy requirements for voting :jointsmile:

I think it's so sad the amount of Americans that have been brainwashed so much that they think none of his ideas would work..Instead it makes sense to spend so much money policing the world and creating credit out of thin air..because the constitution is old and we don't need to follow it any more or something..



Americans inherit from their ancestors a glorious tradition of freedom and resistance to oppression. Our country has long been admired by the rest of the world for her great example of liberty and prosperity â?? a light shining in the darkness of tyranny.

But many Americans today are frustrated. The political choices they are offered give them no real choice at all. For all their talk of â??change,â?� neither major political party as presently constituted challenges the status quo in any serious way. Neither treats the Constitution with anything but contempt. Neither offers any kind of change in monetary policy. Neither wants to make the reductions in government that our crushing debt burden demands. Neither talks about bringing American troops home not just from Iraq but from around the world. Our country is going bankrupt, and none of these sensible proposals are even on the table.

This destructive bipartisan consensus has suffocated American political life for many years. Anyone who tries to ask fundamental questions instead of cosmetic ones is ridiculed or ignored.

That is why the Campaign for Liberty was established: to highlight the neglected but common-sense principles we champion and reinsert them into the American political conversation.

The U.S. Constitution is at the heart of what the Campaign for Liberty stands for, since the very least we can demand of our government is fidelity to its own governing document. Claims that our Constitution was meant to be a â??living documentâ?� that judges may interpret as they please are fraudulent, incompatible with republican government, and without foundation in the constitutional text or the thinking of the Framers. Thomas Jefferson spoke of binding our rulers down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution, and we are proud to follow in his distinguished lineage.

With our Founding Fathers, we also believe in a noninterventionist foreign policy. Inspired by the old Robert Taft wing of the Republican Party, we are convinced that the American people cannot remain free and prosperous with 700 military bases around the world, troops in 130 countries, and a steady diet of war propaganda. Our military overstretch is undermining our national defense and bankrupting our country.

We believe that the free market, reviled by people who do not understand it, is the most just and humane economic system and the greatest engine of prosperity the world has ever known.

We believe with Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, and F.A. Hayek that central banking distorts economic decisionmaking and misleads entrepreneurs into making unsound investments. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banksâ?? interference with interest rates sets the stage for economic downturns. And the central bankâ??s ability to create money out of thin air transfers wealth from the most vulnerable to those with political pull, since it is the latter who receive the new money before the price increases it brings in its wake have yet occurred. For economic and moral reasons, therefore, we join the great twentieth-century economists in opposing the Federal Reserve System, which has reduced the value of the dollar by 95 percent since it began in 1913.

We oppose the dehumanizing assumption that all issues that divide us must be settled at the federal level and forced on every American community, whether by activist judges, a power-hungry executive, or a meddling Congress. We believe in the humane alternative of local self-government, as called for in our Constitution.

We oppose the transfer of American sovereignty to supranational organizations in which the American people possess no elected representatives. Such compromises of our countryâ??s independence run counter to the principles of the American Revolution, which was fought on behalf of self-government and local control. Most of these organizations have a terrible track record even on their own terms: how much poverty have the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund actually alleviated, for example? The peoples of the world can interact with each other just fine in the absence of bureaucratic intermediaries that undermine their sovereignty.

We believe that freedom is an indivisible whole, and that it includes not only economic liberty but civil liberties and privacy rights as well, all of which are historic rights that our civilization has cherished from time immemorial.

Our stances on other issues can be deduced from these general principles.

I'm a big Ron Paul fan because I've been libertarian for a long time. But some of you should probably look past his stance on drugs. Libertarianism isn't for everybody. They have very drastic views about what our government should be. A lot of the programs that people enjoy now would disappear under libertarian leadership. They believe that its not up to the federal government to take care of you, Its up to you.
They only believe the federal governmant has one job. National Defense.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

I'm a big Ron Paul fan because I've been libertarian for a long time. But some of you should probably look past his stance on drugs. Libertarianism isn't for everybody. They have very drastic views about what our government should be. A lot of the programs that people enjoy now would disappear under libertarian leadership. They believe that its not up to the federal government to take care of you, Its up to you.
They only believe the federal governmant has one job. National Defense.

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I don't need the government to take care of me, I'd rather take care of myself...I'm a big boy.

Thats my feeling also. But by doing so they would do away with medicare and ssi. It might be taken over at the state level. The chances of a libertarian getting voted in is zero. Everybody seems to be stuck on the 2 party system and if that continues nothing will ever change.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

• Ron Paul's tears can shrink government. Too bad he never cries.
  
• Ron Paul has no alarm clock, but instead wakes every morning to the
• call of freedom.
  
• Ron Paul blew up both Death Stars, but the media spun the facts
  in favor of Luke and Lando.
  
• Ron Paul is fighting a battle of ideas against unarmed opponents.
  
• Ron Paul is an anagram for "Our Plan".
  
• Ron Paul taught Yoda how to use the force.
  
• Ron Paul doesn't cut taxes. He kills them with his bare hands.
  
• Jesus wears a wrist band that says "What Would Ron Paul Do?"
  
• Ron Paul doesn't sleep. He deliberates.
  
• Ron Paul got an email telling him he won $475 million in the
  Nigerian Lottery, responded, and got his check in two days.
  
• If Ron Paul had lived in Sparta, the movie would have been called "1".
  
• Ron Paul doesn't go the gym. He stays fit by exercising his civil rights.
  
• The Pentagon once had 6 sides...until Ron Paul got his hands on it.
  
• Ron Paul has been shot at more than a dozen times, but the
  "pro- 2nd Amendment" bullets refuse to harm him.
  
• Ron Paul took a lie detector test. The lie detector tapped out.
  
• Ron Paul can fly, but doesn't because its unconsitutional.
  
• Ron Paul declared war on the war on drugs.
  
• Ron Paul can turn water into the American Flag.
  
• Ron Paul wasn't born. He liberated himself from the womb.
  
• Ron Paul let the dogs out. They were being held without due process.
  
• Ron Paul knows dozens of words that rhyme with "orange".
  
• When fascism goes to sleep at night, it checks under the
  bed for Ron Paul.
  
• Ron Paul was the OB that Delivered Chuck Norris.
  
• Ron Paul can recite pi to 1776 decimal places.
  
• Chuck Norris was a Liberal until Ron Paul kicked some
  sense into him.
  
• Ron Paul defies the Laws of (Political) Science!
  
• In Braveheart, Mel Gibson was originally supposed to
  scream "RON PAUL!" however, it was changed to just "Freedom!" for legal reasons.
  
• Hannibal Lecter is not interested in Ron Paul's liver.
  He would, however, like to know more about Ron Paul's plan to abolish the IRS.
  
• Ron Paul hates Raymond.
  
• ...and on the seventh day, Ron Paul said "I'll take it from here."
  
• The sun will go blind if it stares at Ron Paul.
  
• Ron Paul splits atoms....with a butterknife.
  
• Ron Paul once held a Congressional inquiry regarding the
  2000 budget. There were no survivors.
  
• At sporting events, most people stand during the Star-Spangled Banner. Ron Paul levitates.
  
• Ron Paul's car doesn't turn left.
  
• When the Moon looks down at the Earth - the moon sees Ron Paul!
  
• Ron Paul is the only political virgin in the U.S. Congress;
  he's never screwed America.
  
• Superheroes fantasize about becoming Ron Paul.
  
• If you spell Ron Paul backwards, you get the Constitution.
  
• The Ark of the Covenant does not contain the 10 Commandments.
  It contains Ron Paul's birth certificate.
  
• Ron Paul doesn't masturbate, but if he did it would be to
  the constitution.

Just so you Republicans know what you missed out on when you voted in McCain! (I picked out the best ones :D )


Ron Paul Facts -- The Beginning

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Ohh I Voted Ron Paul in the PA Primary! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Markass

I think it's so sad the amount of Americans that have been brainwashed so much that they think none of his ideas would work..Instead it makes sense to spend so much money policing the world and creating credit out of thin air..because the constitution is old and we don't need to follow it any more or something..



Americans inherit from their ancestors a glorious tradition of freedom and resistance to oppression. Our country has long been admired by the rest of the world for her great example of liberty and prosperity – a light shining in the darkness of tyranny.

But many Americans today are frustrated. The political choices they are offered give them no real choice at all. For all their talk of “change,” neither major political party as presently constituted challenges the status quo in any serious way. Neither treats the Constitution with anything but contempt. Neither offers any kind of change in monetary policy. Neither wants to make the reductions in government that our crushing debt burden demands. Neither talks about bringing American troops home not just from Iraq but from around the world. Our country is going bankrupt, and none of these sensible proposals are even on the table.

This destructive bipartisan consensus has suffocated American political life for many years. Anyone who tries to ask fundamental questions instead of cosmetic ones is ridiculed or ignored.

That is why the Campaign for Liberty was established: to highlight the neglected but common-sense principles we champion and reinsert them into the American political conversation.

The U.S. Constitution is at the heart of what the Campaign for Liberty stands for, since the very least we can demand of our government is fidelity to its own governing document. Claims that our Constitution was meant to be a “living document” that judges may interpret as they please are fraudulent, incompatible with republican government, and without foundation in the constitutional text or the thinking of the Framers. Thomas Jefferson spoke of binding our rulers down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution, and we are proud to follow in his distinguished lineage.

With our Founding Fathers, we also believe in a noninterventionist foreign policy. Inspired by the old Robert Taft wing of the Republican Party, we are convinced that the American people cannot remain free and prosperous with 700 military bases around the world, troops in 130 countries, and a steady diet of war propaganda. Our military overstretch is undermining our national defense and bankrupting our country.

We believe that the free market, reviled by people who do not understand it, is the most just and humane economic system and the greatest engine of prosperity the world has ever known.

We believe with Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, and F.A. Hayek that central banking distorts economic decisionmaking and misleads entrepreneurs into making unsound investments. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banks’ interference with interest rates sets the stage for economic downturns. And the central bank’s ability to create money out of thin air transfers wealth from the most vulnerable to those with political pull, since it is the latter who receive the new money before the price increases it brings in its wake have yet occurred. For economic and moral reasons, therefore, we join the great twentieth-century economists in opposing the Federal Reserve System, which has reduced the value of the dollar by 95 percent since it began in 1913.

We oppose the dehumanizing assumption that all issues that divide us must be settled at the federal level and forced on every American community, whether by activist judges, a power-hungry executive, or a meddling Congress. We believe in the humane alternative of local self-government, as called for in our Constitution.

We oppose the transfer of American sovereignty to supranational organizations in which the American people possess no elected representatives. Such compromises of our country’s independence run counter to the principles of the American Revolution, which was fought on behalf of self-government and local control. Most of these organizations have a terrible track record even on their own terms: how much poverty have the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund actually alleviated, for example? The peoples of the world can interact with each other just fine in the absence of bureaucratic intermediaries that undermine their sovereignty.

We believe that freedom is an indivisible whole, and that it includes not only economic liberty but civil liberties and privacy rights as well, all of which are historic rights that our civilization has cherished from time immemorial.

Our stances on other issues can be deduced from these general principles.

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The original constitution had everything in it to run this country. Its been so mutilated now that there's only one way for this country to go and thats down. Greed won

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

The original constitution had everything in it to run this country. Its been so mutilated now that there's only one way for this country to go and thats down. Greed won

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greed isnt the only contributing factor to the way this country is now run... our unpatriotic inactivity is also damning us.


the right to bear arms? Useless when we wont even shoot the fuckers in congress!!

The right to pursue happiness? ok, im just going to go grow 10 acres of cannabis and hemp for industry and recreation... oh no wait, i CANT! ok so that makes me unhappy, NOW WHAT? :wtf: i feel like i want to shoot someone in congress!

what are you all doing relying on a PIECE OF PAPER to tell you what you can and cant do anyways?! (not YOU all, but you know what i mean, rant time :D) why not THINK for yourselves?! stop relying on the police so heavily for inconsequential niucences like theft and possession! let the police focus on the real issues in society like corporate crime, murder, rape, and brutalities! why arent people actively rallying together all the stoners so that we can just mow down the DEA in one fell swoop?! millions of stoners showing consolidated support of cannabis use, BEARING THEIR LIVES for the sake of positive change.

RIGHT NOW, we have soldiers putting their lives on the line for NEGATIVE changes in IRAQ! and the stoners arent even going to TRY to gather together and fight back?!


i mean SURE, NORML is doing a good job and all, activists are at least trying, but unfortunately, i am not one to have any faith or trust in the legal system to work to the public's favor! the last time ANYONE was able to attain ANY REAL LIBERTIES OR FREEDOMS, THEY HAD TO DIE FOR IT!


IF WE ARENT GOING TO OFFER OUR LIVES FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN!

:S2: "Ron Paul doesn't masturbate, but if he did it would be to
the constitution."

I think if I was forced to choose between the 2 major parties and libertarians, i would vote libertarian, government is really not supposed to take care of any1 in the way they are doing now. consenting by the people for them to do 1 daddy task will make them the daddy who is authorized and allowed to be the daddy and do n say all the daddy type of things... like "its like this because i said so, no weed under my roof!"

I for one will/do NOT NEED Social Security that will never pay me; that in its basics is NOT a fix it all nor a long term SOLUTION. just ask any person in the know of economics and they tell u whats goin on and why it will never pay my generation what it was intended for it to pay when it was designed


I for one do not need an IRS that has the most complicated and admittedly backward tax codes-that are the actual reasons for businesses going offshore around here-to feed an ever growing government that will only accumulate debt by every inch added to its belt!

I for one HATE the way we always want to be the police and only power of the world, thats the major reason we have so many international enemies or haters nowadays cuz we shoved our way up other people's and other countries' throats! which connects to the next thing i hate

dont get me wrong, having a big stick is a good idea, but overusing it or threat of it just becomes a problem in the long run

>>> I hate our drug war >>> we started it far earlier @ the global stage than we did in domestic stage!
International Opium Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and we made it in a way to look fool proof! but hey, it just isnt anymore

these are just some of the things this guy talks about that i agree with. I know i disagree over some things with him so im not a ron paul groupie either!

funny thing is is that he's probably read this thread already and laughed his ass off haha. man i love ron paul i have a huge poster of his sitting behind me. it's too bad that the people of this country like those who play "the political game" rather than tell you exactly what they're about and have it actually logically make sense.

While I'm a big Ron Paul supporter myself (don't agree with everything he advocates though), I'd only preferre his governance at the federal level, not the state/provincial level. I'm on disability right now, and Paul's answer to that is "the community will pull together and take care of you". Well, maybe that worked in the 1920's, but it's a rediculous notion today. Hell, I don't even know anybody in this town; I would be out on the streets with no hope for survival if the government didn't provide disability benefits. But that's also why I support Ron Paul, because he wants to cut the out-of-control spending at the federal level, and leave the states to how they want to take care of their people. I guess you could say I'm a libertarian with mild socialist inclinations (yes, Americans, I know "socialist" is a dirty word in your country. People love to bash the philosophy by pointing to the faullies of it when taken to extremes).



Also I don't agree with his stance on Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, being over there has caused most of the aggression problems, but if we pull out of Afghanistan now, the Taliban and AlQaeda aren't going to suddenly forgive us and stop attacking. Whether or not America can be faulted to whatever degree, there's no excuse for slaughtering innocent civilians (9/11). If that isn't pretext for war, I don't know what is. Frankly I'm amazed Bush was so lenient as to give the Taliban the chance to step down from power before getting their asses handed to them.

Iraq, they never should have gotten themselves into. But America did make a mistake, they did blow apart Iraqi infrastructure, destabalize a country, and kill hundreds of thousands of people. They owe it to the Iraqi people now to fix their mistake and not leave a weakened, barely stablized nation, to the mercy criminals, gangs, terrorists, extremists, Iran, and those who would impose Sharia law. That would be like handing over your country to the fanatical Christian fundamentalists in America; except a few times worse.

I know its pretty controversial but has anyone been watching wall street? The only stocks that are gaining right now are... mining companies, GOLD mining companies..Ron Paul is totally for the Gold Standard and with such a volatile stock market right now, its crazy to see Gold stocks gaining in value day by day. HAsent Ronny been telling us this for the last 2 years? Watch the price of gold rise...

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

greed isnt the only contributing factor to the way this country is now run... our unpatriotic inactivity is also damning us.


the right to bear arms? Useless when we wont even shoot the fuckers in congress!!

The right to pursue happiness? ok, im just going to go grow 10 acres of cannabis and hemp for industry and recreation... oh no wait, i CANT! ok so that makes me unhappy, NOW WHAT? :wtf: i feel like i want to shoot someone in congress!

what are you all doing relying on a PIECE OF PAPER to tell you what you can and cant do anyways?! (not YOU all, but you know what i mean, rant time :D) why not THINK for yourselves?! stop relying on the police so heavily for inconsequential niucences like theft and possession! let the police focus on the real issues in society like corporate crime, murder, rape, and brutalities! why arent people actively rallying together all the stoners so that we can just mow down the DEA in one fell swoop?! millions of stoners showing consolidated support of cannabis use, BEARING THEIR LIVES for the sake of positive change.

RIGHT NOW, we have soldiers putting their lives on the line for NEGATIVE changes in IRAQ! and the stoners arent even going to TRY to gather together and fight back?!


i mean SURE, NORML is doing a good job and all, activists are at least trying, but unfortunately, i am not one to have any faith or trust in the legal system to work to the public's favor! the last time ANYONE was able to attain ANY REAL LIBERTIES OR FREEDOMS, THEY HAD TO DIE FOR IT!


IF WE ARENT GOING TO OFFER OUR LIVES FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN!

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I hear ya brother.:jointsmile: I don't really understand whats going on in AMerica anymore. SOme of this shit thats going on there should be rioting in the streets. I blame part of it on the new college crowd. They just seem to be a bunch of drones anymore. Just cranking out more mindless sheep contributing nothing to soceity. Learning a lot of lies and misinformation. A lot different from the 60's. I guess the mind control has worked.:(

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While I'm a big Ron Paul supporter myself (don't agree with everything he advocates though), I'd only preferre his governance at the federal level, not the state/provincial level. I'm on disability right now, and Paul's answer to that is "the community will pull together and take care of you". Well, maybe that worked in the 1920's, but it's a rediculous notion today. Hell, I don't even know anybody in this town; I would be out on the streets with no hope for survival if the government didn't provide disability benefits. But that's also why I support Ron Paul, because he wants to cut the out-of-control spending at the federal level, and leave the states to how they want to take care of their people. I guess you could say I'm a libertarian with mild socialist inclinations (yes, Americans, I know "socialist" is a dirty word in your country. People love to bash the philosophy by pointing to the faullies of it when taken to extremes).



Also I don't agree with his stance on Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, being over there has caused most of the aggression problems, but if we pull out of Afghanistan now, the Taliban and AlQaeda aren't going to suddenly forgive us and stop attacking. Whether or not America can be faulted to whatever degree, there's no excuse for slaughtering innocent civilians (9/11). If that isn't pretext for war, I don't know what is. Frankly I'm amazed Bush was so lenient as to give the Taliban the chance to step down from power before getting their asses handed to them.

Iraq, they never should have gotten themselves into. But America did make a mistake, they did blow apart Iraqi infrastructure, destabalize a country, and kill hundreds of thousands of people. They owe it to the Iraqi people now to fix their mistake and not leave a weakened, barely stablized nation, to the mercy criminals, gangs, terrorists, extremists, Iran, and those who would impose Sharia law. That would be like handing over your country to the fanatical Christian fundamentalists in America; except a few times worse.

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You're also forgetting his stance that they attacked us because we've been on their soil for years and years past...Which I strongly agree with.

Before the war started they wanted to attack us, after the war started they wanted to attack us, while the war continues, they still want to attack us. Do you think that they're going to want to attack us more if we leave them alone?? I sure don't think they're going to attack another building with an airliner..What does that leave?? Let's see...they could have meetings here in America where we let them in..and discuss how to do it? Right, they're probably already doing that anyhow..

"Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows."

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You're also forgetting his stance that they attacked us because we've been on their soil for years and years past...Which I strongly agree with.

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I didn't forget, I specifically mentioned this; and agree.

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Before the war started they wanted to attack us, after the war started they wanted to attack us, while the war continues, they still want to attack us. Do you think that they're going to want to attack us more if we leave them alone?? I sure don't think they're going to attack another building with an airliner..What does that leave?? Let's see...they could have meetings here in America where we let them in..and discuss how to do it? Right, they're probably already doing that anyhow..

"Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows."

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No they won't want to attack us more, they'll want to attack us as much as they always do. While I shudder at the notion of employing a George Bush quote; I'd rather fight them over there than over here. Again, they directly attacked the US (and attempted some at Canada), and slaughtered over 3,000 civilians. How is that not pretext for war? The shit has been stirred, the mistakes made, now we have a very real threat to deal with. America should smarten up and stop creating new threats, but the current one isn't going to go away by letting the Taliban re-establish it's disgusting abuse of human rights they call a government.

Only in a far-lefty dreamworld will AlQaeda forgive and forget; and lets not forget that they offered the US a ceasefire about a year ago, which seems to indicate to me that they're not exactly on the path to victory.

i remember seeing a footage a few years back of taliban people on an official tour to the united states!!!!!!

im just sayin, that these are the people we aided earlier for our short term goals, but we forgot they are not piece of napkin to be flushed down once we are done with them!!! sure we were once allied with stallin, we had to be ,then we werent once common enemy was gone, but lettin stallin be part of the victory led to the cold war

here are a few links & quotes for your info:

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"Foreign powers, including the United States, were at first supportive of the Taliban in hopes it would serve as a force to restore order in Afghanistan after years of division into corrupt, lawless warlord fiefdoms. The U.S. government, for example, made no comment when the Taliban captured Herat in 1995 and expelled thousands of girls from schools.[65] These hopes faded as it began to be engaged in warlord practices of rocketing unarmed civilians, targeting ethnic groups (primarily Hazaras) and restricting the rights of women.[66] In late 1997, American Secretary of State Madeleine Albright began to distance the U.S. from the Taliban and the next year the American-based Unocal oil company withdrew from a major deal with the Taliban regime concerning an oil pipeline."

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Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"The 1982 Lebanon War (Hebrew: מלחמת לבנון‎, Milhemet Levanon), (Arabic: الإجتياح‎, Al-Ijtiah, "the invasion"), called by Israel the Operation Peace of the Galilee (Hebrew: מבצע שלום הגליל, or מבצע של"ג Mivtsa Shlom HaGalil or Mivtsa Sheleg‎), and later colloquially also known in Israel as the First Lebanon War, began on 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization.

After attacking the PLO, as well as Syrian and Muslim Lebanese forces, Israel occupied southern Lebanon. Surrounded and subjected West Beirut to heavy bombardment, the PLO and the Syrian forces negotiated passage from Lebanon with the aid of international peacekeepers."

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1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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According to the tapes, bin Laden claimed he was inspired to destroy the World Trade Center after watching the destruction of towers in Lebanon by Israel during the 1982 Lebanon War.

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Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

our unconditional support for state of Israel is the old dragging issue here, which Ron Paul's non-intervention foreign policy would have perhaps prevented if it was implemented after WWII

if we would have in fact "helped" solving this old crisis in mideast instead of helping the Israeli side only all the time, and if this was solved decades ago, perhaps we wouldnt have to deal with any of this worldwide terrorism, inclduing Iran's current nuclear issue.

However, had we stayed out of Israel's creation and the following events, there would be no reason for them ragheads to hate us... they would have hated other countries supportive of israel, and we would be excluded

but we just couldnt stop the temptation to play our world power role... here are the consequences we are facing now

and dont tell me we have not been dreaming of such power at all
we brokered the treaty of Versailles, which our very own congress did not ratify ironically
we pushed for UN once again after WWII and created NATO later on. we made ourselves allies and basically said we will be up for wars if u touch these ppl... whats that to u? isnt it asking for problems? sure we did a lot of good for europeans in WWII, but we became their defense dog after wards against soviets and then we were the ones paying the price for a few wars with communists from south america to asia!


we meshed this whole thing together so we just couldnt drop out anymore... we were in, too deep!

sure, osama killed innocent people, i hate him for that... but it wasnt all that unprovoked that most people think... it just had a very complicated and long history going back to 1940s that most massmedia-informed individuals fail(ed) to understand. i bet any unbiased history teacher will tell u that we were not all that much of a victim-only entity in this game... we had our own part to play

at least, osama would have had far smaller support base among muslims and even the extremists, if we had not meddled with Arab and muslim affairs years ago...

looking at it from the position that what are US interests, I simply do not see any interests for the US to push for creation of Israel and the pursuing unconditional support... if we were looking after "our interests" we kinda should have sided with Arabs since they got the oil...

just do a lil research on why OPEC exists
and how much we have had OUR interests hurt or endangered by this organization... oil embargo of 1973 was one reason and potential power of opec for controlling supplies still remains a viable threat imo

just check this out and see our most important interest's historical trend that was caused partly by our own actions...
Image:Oil Prices 1861 2007.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

unless ofcourse this is something like the type of awkward marijuana policy we have @ home... something that contradicts our real interests in a capitalist and free country: Money & Freedom. and i mean money of the people (taxes), not money being made from those policies. our freedom has been directly hit by our governments involvment of other countries affairs... now we have to give up our most essential freedoms given to us by the constitution for sake of security... an insecure situation caused partly by our own government's past & present (continuation of the past policies) actions


* im just a neutral observer and an analyst, trying to verify facts and analyze the causes and symptoms of current world affairs. sympathetic for the US since this is the land i have chosen to live in so far. I'm not siding nor with nor supporting any of the mentioned entities above except for Ron Paul* i just think when ron paul says we did something that we are getting this hatred for, he is right, we did do something that made those ppl pissed off. Now are their extremists (re)actions justified? "certainly no" is my personal opinion!

but this is where the two extremes meet each other, and i for one see it in a way that we kinda were involved in starting this... but we got the response many years later... some ppl have long term hatred memory and goals

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I didn't forget, I specifically mentioned this; and agree.




No they won't want to attack us more, they'll want to attack us as much as they always do. While I shudder at the notion of employing a George Bush quote; I'd rather fight them over there than over here. Again, they directly attacked the US (and attempted some at Canada), and slaughtered over 3,000 civilians. How is that not pretext for war? The shit has been stirred, the mistakes made, now we have a very real threat to deal with. America should smarten up and stop creating new threats, but the current one isn't going to go away by letting the Taliban re-establish it's disgusting abuse of human rights they call a government.

Only in a far-lefty dreamworld will AlQaeda forgive and forget; and lets not forget that they offered the US a ceasefire about a year ago, which seems to indicate to me that they're not exactly on the path to victory.

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My point being, how are they going to even fight us over here in means other than getting into our country...They're not going to invade us, they have no organized military, navy, or air force.. and if anything they're already having meetings planning how to attack us..because we're letting them into our country, and the more they get into our country the more of an excuse the government has to shit on our freedoms and spy on us.

Some more facts:
Ron Paul, like most famous American politicians, is a Freemason.
Ron Paul is the Micheal Moore of American politics. Small section of the true story.

If you make your own competition you'll never have to come up against anyone who really means business.

Why did Michael Moore make it to the cinema? Cos he was making people feel the knew the truth. Same story as Jesse Jackson (another Freemason).

Why has Ron Paul made it so far? He knows he'll never be elected, he's there so you can follow him. God forbid any of us become leaders ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Markass

My point being, how are they going to even fight us over here in means other than getting into our country...They're not going to invade us, they have no organized military, navy, or air force.. and if anything they're already having meetings planning how to attack us..because we're letting them into our country, and the more they get into our country the more of an excuse the government has to shit on our freedoms and spy on us.

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If the Taliban is allowed to re-establish itself (with all the human atrocities guaranteed therein), AlQaeda then (once again) has a whole government and a nation's resources to back them.

When I say "fight over here", I mean as in more terrorists launching attacks as terrorists do. You can bet having the resources and finance of a national government helps a great deal in that.

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Originally Posted by Smudgeyboy

Some more facts:
Ron Paul, like most famous American politicians, is a Freemason.
Ron Paul is the Micheal Moore of American politics. Small section of the true story.

If you make your own competition you'll never have to come up against anyone who really means business.

Why did Michael Moore make it to the cinema? Cos he was making people feel the knew the truth. Same story as Jesse Jackson (another Freemason).

Why has Ron Paul made it so far? He knows he'll never be elected, he's there so you can follow him. God forbid any of us become leaders ourselves.

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this is flat out pessimistic! i know where u r coming from, but if im to think like this about the world, i rather let myself go with 1 single shot... so even if it is truly this way i rather have distorted perception and live n enjoy the weed.