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Look at this.
Cannabis death a first for Britain - www.theage.com.au
Sounds strange to me but the coroners seems to have stated that the cause of death actually was cannabis poisoning. The DIRECT cause of death. I think that is questionable out of pure statistic reasons but no matter what that is not good for us since a doctor wrote the report and you can be damn sure this report will pop up here and there in the medias when legalisation is discussed.
Puffzter
WTF they never heard of a brain aneurysm before? tpical vote getting fak, produced data. WOW bullshitQuote:
The inquest heard that Mr Maisey had complained of a headache on August 22 last year. The next morning he was found dead at the house he shared with friend Jeffrey Saunders in Summerhill, Pembrokeshire.
Michael Howells, the Pembrokeshire coroner, said Mr Maisey was free from disease and had not drunk for at least 48 hours. Autopsy tests showed a high level of cannabinoids in his blood. He recorded a verdict of death by misadventure because Mr Maisey had died while taking part in an illegal activity.
LOL 6 joints a day...i should have been gone long ago
db:smokin:
LOL
The article is from 2004 and it was a month before the reclassification of Cannabis to a lower schedule in england. It seems like it was a move to scare people into preventing that change. They are still trying to use crazy propaganda now to get it back to where it was when this article was written. It was, after all, a study done in england this year that tried to say Cannabis was making people psychotic. Another scare tactic to encourage people to accept the reclassification back to the higher schedule. I'm sure the US government is behind it. Makes them look bad that their good buddies the brits are changing their minds with out permission. Same old same old.
Blessed be~
if this was in fact confirmed, it would become the 1st direct death resulted from THC poisoning and it would make lots of buzz at the time
FYI
"By Richard Savill
London
January 21, 2004"
thats b4 Saddam was found. he's been long dead now!
and plus:
u can die of any poisoning, even pure water poisoning... anything taken in excess amounts can poison ur body! ur liver and digestive system fail under pressure of excessive amounts of chemicals processed and in case of water poisoning:
"The fact that water can cause fatal overdoses is not well known. Often called 'water intoxication' or 'hyponatremia' (low salt), water poisoning results when too much water is ingested in too short a time without replenishing electrolytes, particularly sodium and potassium."
source How much water would a person drink to get water poisoning? FunAdvice.com
i know the link u found comes #1 when u google "cannabis death"
but here is a better source for comparison (not just a mere single report by some Australian site in a bush-like admin era!)
Can marijuana use cause death?
I found it when I was browsing around UK south west newspapers for the insane amount of grow op shut downs the cops have done there.
Did'nt know anything more than what I read and thought someone else would.
Thing is what I read in some canadian text from some professor or something was that to actually get THC poisoning to a fatal level you would have to smoke about 3 pounds of medium grade MJ in about 12 hours.
To do that I think you would have to smoke so much and so fast that you would die of suffication before the THC and certainly be out cold way prior to being able to get a 3rd of the leathal dose.
Puffzter
This is what they're saying now. Like I said just BS from propagandists and nothing more. :hippy:
so that makes the count:
cannabis: 1
alchohol: 75000+ per year
I think we're okay.
i doubt thats true in any way and thanks GoddessHerb for the link, i'll trust NORML before that bullshit.
it's funny i read this now because i just watched a documentary on showtime called War on Drugs: The Last White Hope. it was very good and i'd recomend it to everyone here.
Sounds like a bunch of hoopla to me.
Something inside me says 'no'.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Your right it does sound like a bunch of hoopla!
What a bunch of bullshit. I'm glad the major media didn't cover this. I about went Una-bomber after I saw a DEA agent hold up a cannabis plant on Foxnews and say, "This stuff will kill you." If major media reported "death by cannabis overdose" simply because someone died and had a lot of cannabinoids in his blood I'd go fucking postal.
who's the witness? if you didn't see it, it didnt happen. i call bullshit on this one.
ok...that would be the first documented case....what about all of the documented cases of alcohol poisening???
This takes me back.
I was a fairly new member here when this story first broke and anyone who was around at that time will remember that this claim was withdrawn not too long after.
It was BS then it's BS now :D :thumbsup:
Im calling shenanigans on this.
there have been cases of people dying from ingesting too much water (college hazing). what are we going to do about that menace?
all things in good taste and moderation.
Shov
Thats what I am talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Shovelhandle
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ITTT
I'd believe it, I remember at my 16th birthday party I smoked 6 joints to myself and I had to stay in hospital for a week cos I overdosed.
Doctor said I was lucky I stopped when I did! Phew!
Haha!
now, im not saying you didnt, seeing as ive never met you, nor do i know your story. And im also not saying your doctor is a liar, but i personally dont believe that weed is able to make you overdose off six joints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smudgeyboy
to me, i think your doctor overexaggerated and said you almost overdosed, seeing as there is no overdose limit that is strictly set, because no one, until this report, had ever reportedly overdosed on MJ. I myself have smoked quite a bit in a sitting before, and even in one day, and sure i felt horrible, and never before had i ever really turned down an opportunity to smoke, but that time it was too much, and i did actually pass it up, and i also felt like i was about to die, but i was fine. And i feel that after a while yes your brain will stop functioning normally just like as with any other substance you could do, or ingest, such as water, and even oxygen. and that you would most likely pass out and not be able to smoke anymore before you are in danger of overdosing, and even then, you would have to smoke more while you passed out to overdose. Maybe they were keeping you in the hospital for a week for evaluation of your condition, you may had been pretty worn out from the smoking and the partying, or wanted to see what your mental state was like, and didnt tell you to your face that they were analyzing you for risk factors such as suicide, as is common with cases of "overdoses."
Im not trying to sound like i dont believe you, but there are a few different reasons why they did what they did, and said what they said, that arent linked to any actual danger from overdosing. The body, especially of younger people, is very resiliant to damage, especially with such benign chemicals as THC and the other chemicals in weed. I feel you are more likely to overdose, or just overload your body on those other chemicals, the tars, and toxins released, than the psychoactive chemicals, meaning that other forms of smoking are safe, but that you have to watch your intake of the other substances.
I get the feeling that Smudge was taking the piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy8778
I am guessing but the hahaha at the end of his post meant he was joking. :thumbsup:
As for this 4 year old story ,it's time to let it die , it's already been proven to be complete and utter tosh.
Sounds like a lot there are a lot of folks who want to believe what they want to believe and to heck with the rest of it. I've seen animals die of cannabis overdose.....personally.....myself......own eyes....etc.....
Tons of people love to think cannabis is completely harmless.......of course it's not.....but it makes them feel better about themselves using it to think it is.
There's also some sort of ridiculous argument that because it's a plant it can't be harmful.
Tell that to these toxic plants: oleander, wild mushrooms, foxglove etc etc etc.....
No.
What a load of shit.
Not that those figures matter in the slightest in the eyes of stupid laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIDNIGHTspecial
I do not believe it to be "harmless" BUTQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I do know it is impossible to OD on ganja.
If it were at all possible to OD on pot I would've been dead years ago, it is not possible and that is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Jeeeeezzzz some folks are true alarmists.:mad:
You prove my point exactly psychocat. ;)
And rare.......I'm not at ALL saying its common........just not impossible as some folks would prefer to believe.
Billion what makes me REALLY chuckle is that so many ganja users scream long and loud about "thier side" of the story but react in exactly the same closed minded way to news they dont like as those they point the finger at.
Pot calling the kettle black imo.
It is impossible !Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
You could simply never consume the volumes needed to OD therefore
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO OD ON WEED !
Believe me when I tell you that in over 30 years of toking with some of the most hardcore tokers alive , neither I nor any of my many friends have ever suffered or even heard of anyone suffering an OD of ganja.
At the very worst one or two of them have experienced the uncomfortable sensation of what is commonly known as a "whitey", so called because of the deathly shade of white suffers of the dreaded "whitey" turn just before heading to the toilet to puke. ;)
I challenge anyone here to find me one certified death caused by a cannabis OD.
As my old man was fond of saying "it's fuckin' cobblers"! :D
[quote=Weedhound]Sounds like a lot there are a lot of folks who want to believe what they want to believe and to heck with the rest of it. I've seen animals die of cannabis overdose.....personally.....myself......own eyes....etc.....
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Aloha WH.
"Personally" "Own eyes"!:wtf:?
Back up, and run that by me again, please.
I usually skip on by allegations, inuendos, assertations and wild claims.
But, when someone I respect and admire, says something that important, I'm all ears! er, eyes!:eek:
Last credible info that I read was a government study that tried to overdose dogs.
Gave them an I.V. of THC in ethanol. Kept upping the dosage until they ran into the soluability issue,
Dogs died from an ethanol O.D. .
They just couldn't get enough THC, etc. into them.
You just can't drop a bomb like that and fade into the night.
I gotta have some details please.
Or did I just read that wrong?
Confused Weeze.
Puns for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
My father would say, "Do you listen to everything people say over the internet?", and, "Who says this? The people who create the site?"
Also, "You only listen to the studies you want to hear."
Blah, blah, blah.
Here's a classic study:
Pharmacol Rev. 1986 Mar;38(1):1-20.
Health aspects of cannabis.
Hollister LE.
Marijuana seems firmly established as another social drug in Western countries, regardless of its current legal status. Patterns of use vary widely. As with other social drugs, the pattern of use is critical in determining adverse effects on health. Perhaps the major area of concern about marijuana use is among the very young. Using any drug on a regular basis that alters reality may be detrimental to the psychosocial maturation of young persons. Chronic use of marijuana may stunt the emotional growth of youngsters. Evidence for an amotivational syndrome is largely based on clinical reports; whether marijuana use is a cause or effect is uncertain. A marijuana psychosis, long rumored, has been difficult to prove. No one doubts that marijuana use may aggravate existing psychoses or other severe emotional disorders. Brain damage has not been proved. Physical dependence is rarely encountered in the usual patterns of social use, despite some degree of tolerance that may develop. The endocrine effects of the drug might be expected to delay puberty in prepubertal boys, but actual instances have been rare. As with any material that is smoked, chronic smoking of marijuana will produce bronchitis; emphysema or lung cancer have not yet been documented. Cardiovascular effects of the drug are harmful to those with preexisting heart disease; fortunately the number of users with such conditions is minimal. Fears that the drug might accumulate in the body to the point of toxicity have been groundless. The potential deleterious effects of marijuana use on driving ability seem to be self-evident; proof of such impairment has been more difficult. The drug is probably harmful when taken during pregnancy, but the risk is uncertain. One would be prudent to avoid marijuana during pregnancy, just as one would do with most other drugs not essential to life or well-being. No clinical consequences have been noted from the effects of the drug on immune response, chromosomes, or cell metabolites. Contamination of marijuana by spraying with defoliants has created the clearest danger to health; such attempts to control production should be abandoned. Therapeutic uses for marijuana, THC, or cannabinoid homologs are being actively explored. Only the synthetic homolog, nabilone, has been approved for use to control nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)
wow, thats still only ONE death in how many thousands of years of use?
Okay folks
My absolute last word on this subject.
The article is 4 years old.
It was in the Sun newspaper (cough cough) which is a gossip rag and usualy full of shit.
They printed the original story in big banner headlines on the front page and gave a full page over to it.
They printed the apology for bullshitting a couple of days later , it was four lines buried at the bottom of the ad page that everyone just skips.
There is no truth in this story
There never was any truth in this story
There never will be any truth in this story**
** Perhaps if our geneticists can some day make a super duper mega loony mutant strain that's 1000 times stronger but I very much doubt it. :D
Please understand that this bull raises it's ugly little head far too often and it's so friggin stupid that folks still give it any credance.
And when THAT happens I will be willing to die in the name of science ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
In the words of the immortal Smokey Robinson "I second that emotion". :thumbsup: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
lets just say its practically impossible but technically and in theory still possible.
u necessarily dont have to OD from smoking. digestion and injection of thc & other cannabinoids in massive amounts are still slightly possible.
plus its not the point of weed kills people, almost no1 tells u the risk is death, not even the govt... they just add to many tags to this and relate it to too many uncontrolled and complicated situations and only back their word up with 1 or 2 govt sponsored research done decades ago
issue of OD is irrelevant to cannabis users, u may OD on accident on heroine or coke due to unknown purity of the stuff, if its too pure it can be lethal cu u will do as if u had a street level cut material. almost no stoner will be able to withstand the relaxation it gives u to get to the point to OD on normal consumption of weed...u will pass the f out long b4 then!:stoned:
what i really hate is the arguments made on mental effects of weed which are in no way proven by unbiased studies and vary from person to person. disturbed concentration and weakness in learning are just bogus theories... at least i dont have that kind of problem with weed. same with gateway theory. but many ppl in surveys and stats do other things along with cannabis and no other factors are considered in those researches like family setting, characters, physical conditions and many more... thus they easily claim smoking weed makes u lazy, makes u retarded and so on...
i myself happened to hurt my education cuz i was at a phase to party in my early 20s and happened to be smoking lots of weed. im pretty sure i would have done as bad even if i wasnt smoking the stuff, cuz i was just looking for fun, any kind of it!! clubs, parties, dates, hang outs, bowling, bars, game-nets , n so on
...my thoughts exactly. I even said it stretched out like that.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by suhl
to back up my claim
WikiAnswers - Can you overdose on marijuana if so how
"the lethal dose of marijuana is either about one-third your body weight, or about 1,500 pounds, consumed all at once."
practically impossible, possible in theory!
THC-wet sauna!!!!!!!:D:D:D:thumbsup: yay i want one of those in my future mansion! hell, that can even be an original smoke-sauna that almost doesnt exist anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
how about an additional portable THC IV and a large badge of the most potent brownies?!
all 3 of above at the same time, and our body is still not able to absorb all of that required OD amount @ once! but i bet u will be blown in a way u have never been b4 and will probably feel really bad
yeah, as i said its impossible to take all that at once imo, but we cant predict science and how we might be able to compact thc molecules in future or biological interfering with our genetics to speed up digestion.
Im pretty sure there are sciences and technologies that we cant even dream of right now, but we will one day possess... just think about it 2000 years ago who could have imagined the nano technology used in CPUs ;)