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Hey guys.. I was just doing some thinking

~I've always been a believer in psychic abilities and experiences like altral projection, clairvoyance (to a point) , telekinesis I don't exactly know why but these possibilities have always attracted me I guess because these abilities would open so many doors and possibilities in this world (at least for me and my spirituality)

some more thoughts

1- when I break it all down , as I see it , we're just energy. Our cells and atoms are made up of , well what ever there made off but that materials just energy. Energy can be morphed and transformed and transfered wouldn't it make sence that we could also manipulate the energy surounding us? Tap into the base of your energy source and utilize that to influence our surroundings? That in my mind makes telekinese logical and possible.

2- Time .. how can you describe time? Many people think of time as in a time period, a straight line, beginning and end we just dont know the beginning and ending point. What if you thought of time like a circle? No being, no end just constant motion, eventually everything will come to an 'end' point where nothing is left but then you continue on in the circle and everything starts over. What if we could peel back the layers of our universe/ demension to reveal portals that can access what we refer to as 'time' and we can travel to different parts of this circle.

3- Atral projection has be experienced by many people or clamed to be experience either by sleep or meditation. I think this can be totally logical. Separating our 'spirit' or part of our main energy source and being able to move around through the world and universe... I think that when this happens your taking some of your energy source to accomplish this, thats why you are left in a meditated, non-coherent state because part of your life force is being taken away. But say you totally separated from your body wouldnt that mean your body would died.. you would be dead by scientific standards and decompose in which the energy you left in your body would eventually return to you/ the universe

4- Science.. many people wouldn't believe in these occurences because it is proven to be impossible by science. Correct me if Im wrong but isn't science a man made noun and adjective.. it is a theory created by mankind to explain the un-explainable. It describes why things happen, like chemicals x and y react to create substance z but science can't explain why exactly things react together or why things are the way they are. What exactly is science anyway? Its just descibed as studying to gain knowledge and truth, so if something can't be scientifically explained just means we don't understand it, that doesn't mean it isn't possible right? Sometimes I wonder how we can put so much faith in science when its just regular people (well really smart people) doing tests and trying to develope theories and reasons to explain something.

5- People are scared. They don't want to believe or even think about possibilities like these because they don't want to admit that there are greater forces in the universe besides ourselves. Theres more to life then getting up, going to work and watching TV. We're afraid because we can't explain these things with our 'science' so we automatically think they aren't possible and continue to live our sheltered lives and dont even try to reach out and understand or even consider different possibilities.. I think us as a species are not living up to our potential. If only we could work together and study and be observant and open minded we could gain so much more insite and theory about our universe and its inner workings

~Well those are just some of the thoughts I had swimming around in my mind.

'what we think we know is only a drop in the sea of knowledge'- as I once read on a website.. although I dont remember which one, this quote describes how I feel too.

If you guys have any thoughts feel free to drop them off, any replies would be nice because I would really like to no everyones thoughts, weither you agree or think Im a total nut-case.. feel free.

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Originally Posted by Priincesss

4- Science.. many people wouldn't believe in these occurences because it is proven to be impossible by science. Correct me if Im wrong but isn't science a man made noun and adjective.. it is a theory created by mankind to explain the un-explainable. It describes why things happen, like chemicals x and y react to create substance z but science can't explain why exactly things react together or why things are the way they are. What exactly is science anyway? Its just descibed as studying to gain knowledge and truth, so if something can't be scientifically explained just means we don't understand it, that doesn't mean it isn't possible right? Sometimes I wonder how we can put so much faith in science when its just regular people (well really smart people) doing tests and trying to develope theories and reasons to explain something.

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I love science because most scientists are very curious about how the world actually is and know they are still in the dark about the quantum world. This quote sums it up for me.

"The essential point in science is not a complicated mathematical formalism or a ritualized experimentation. Rather the heart of science is a kind of shrewd honesty that springs from really wanting to know what the hell is going on!" Saul-Paul Sirag

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Originally Posted by bhouncy

"The essential point in science is not a complicated mathematical formalism or a ritualized experimentation. Rather the heart of science is a kind of shrewd honesty that springs from really wanting to know what the hell is going on!" Saul-Paul Sirag

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hmm touchee, never looked at it from that angle.. thanks:)

I believe that all matter is somehow connected, be it on a quantum level, or some other kind of way that is immeasurable. Discovering how everything is connected so that we can manipulate distant objects is like trying to learn something that cannot be directly studied. It's a trial and error effort of figuring out how to astral project or use telekinesis.

Then again we have our own magnetic fields around our bodies, perhaps we need to learn how to extend it and concentrate that energy to affect other objects.

To me, time is a non-linear cycle, and so is space. Might as well just say space-time is a loop. Life/death, big bang/big crunch.

Breaking things down further, I don't really believe in matter. Some scientists believe that once we split apart enough particles there will be nothing left except "strings" of energy. That'd be cool as hell to discover, but I think it goes on forever as being smaller and smaller particles... infinitely small. The universe is mostly empty, even solid matter is mostly empty, but the energy has to be somewhere.... I think it's a kind of energy that we have no way to measure..... such as our life force or the soul. The matter that things seem to be made of is more like a physical waveform expression of that energy, like, a hologram.

Don't listen to me, I've been sober for way too long.

Princess, i agree with everything you said... I have a bit of psychic abilities, mainly precognition... so i know they are actually true, and if our science does not recognize it is only because our science cant (or dont want) understand it...
And BTW its very nice to know that there is someone else who thinks like me...

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

I believe that all matter is somehow connected, be it on a quantum level, or some other kind of way that is immeasurable. Discovering how everything is connected so that we can manipulate distant objects is like trying to learn something that cannot be directly studied. It's a trial and error effort of figuring out how to astral project or use telekinesis.

Then again we have our own magnetic fields around our bodies, perhaps we need to learn how to extend it and concentrate that energy to affect other objects.

To me, time is a non-linear cycle, and so is space. Might as well just say space-time is a loop. Life/death, big bang/big crunch.

Breaking things down further, I don't really believe in matter. Some scientists believe that once we split apart enough particles there will be nothing left except "strings" of energy. That'd be cool as hell to discover, but I think it goes on forever as being smaller and smaller particles... infinitely small. The universe is mostly empty, even solid matter is mostly empty, but the energy has to be somewhere.... I think it's a kind of energy that we have no way to measure..... such as our life force or the soul. The matter that things seem to be made of is more like a physical waveform expression of that energy, like, a hologram.

Don't listen to me, I've been sober for way too long.

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I totally agree, like our own magnetic fields and space time loop and energy forces but Ive never thought of it like a hologram but I like that idea. Well thought out:) thanks.

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Princess, i agree with everything you said... I have a bit of psychic abilities, mainly precognition... so i know they are actually true, and if our science does not recognize it is only because our science cant (or dont want) understand it...
And BTW its very nice to know that there is someone else who thinks like me...

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Really? Thats so cool! I bet it must be frustrating thought when science is telling you what your seeing or hearing is all in your head and just out to prove you wrong but really they don't fully understand because they don't have that ability. But thats really cool.. and don't worry, I gotcha back:D we'll prove those skeptics wrong some day.

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Really? Thats so cool! I bet it must be frustrating thought when science is telling you what your seeing or hearing is all in your head and just out to prove you wrong but really they don't fully understand because they don't have that ability. But thats really cool.. and don't worry, I gotcha back:D we'll prove those skeptics wrong some day.

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Well... i think the most interesting of it all is that i also am a scientist (physicist)... and as more i learned about science, more i noticed how limited it was, and how science (and even logic and reason) are only particular view points, and not the ultimate truth... (if really there is such thing)... so, after learning science i become more "un-scientific" and more open to other views of things besides the one given by the science. What was very good, cause i could then learn things that did make me possible understand all this unusual things that happened, not only with me, but with anyone with psychic abilities.
But unfortunately i dont think it could be possible to convince the skeptics (or anyone btw) that they are wrong... the hardest thing is to convince anyone that their view points are wrong, and that they lived mistaken their entire lifes... so i let them believe whatever they wish... cause i also wouldnt like that anyone tried convince me of anything.
And in the particular case of the skeptics, the case is even harder, cause even if they criticise the religion, they are themselves the most fervourous followers of their own religion, the skepticism (and the unquestionable belief that science is the ultimate truth)... and so they behave like religious fanatics, that couldnt never be convinced that they can be wrong, and that try to bring everybody else to their own religion...

coelho: I guess your right on that one. That your can't convince people they are wrong.. if they tried to convince me I was wrong.. well lets say it would be a challenge

Thats interesting that your also a scientist and can see the well problems shall you.. from both sides, the science/logic view and from your experience and you can compare data and information and whatnot.

I was also wondering.. if its not to personal for you to discuss.. did you always have psychic abilities? Or did you have to develope them from scratch? Id love to hear some of you experiences if its not to personal or invading.. but if it thats perfectly alright and Id understand completly.

Well... my "psychic" experiences arent something secret... in fact, i like very much to talk about them... the biggest problem is to find anyone willing to hear about it... so be warned... maybe you will hear (or rather read) more than you wished...

I started small... usually the precognitions i had were not very unusual, and could be regarded as "coincidences"... like, suddenly, without any reason i would think "what if the phone rang now?", just to hear it ringing some seconds later... there were lots of things like this, but as i was very young and didnt paid much attention to such things, they were regarded as coincidences... even if they were more usual than if they were only coincidences.

Besides this, the only other "psychic" ability i had was to become spontaneously lucid in my dreams... even as a child i had enough sense to recognize when what i was living was too weird to be "real" and thus i was dreaming... also, im almost sure i had tons of OOBEs (out-of-body-experiences) when a child, but i regarded them as dreams.

When i was about 18 i started to learn about how to induce OOBEs and how to meditate (both are very related). And then, my abilities were increased several fold. The precognitions become more usual, to the point i would be awed by them... for example... once i was in the bus, it shaked a bit (the road had some holes), i almost hit my head against the window, and thought "what if i had actually hit my head against the window and smashed it?"
Some minutes after it (maybe 20-30) i heard a loud crash! Someone at the road had thrown a stone against the bus (dont know why), and it actually smashed one of its windows... :eek:

There were several other events like this one... and besides this ones, there were lots of "minor" ones, like, i would be listening the radio, then would feel an "urge" to change the station, only to discover that some favourite song of mine had started to play at other station...

I kept practicing meditation, and even if i never had a complete wake-induced-OOBE, i had several sleep-induced ones, but my skeptic side never could regard them as "real", but only as very lucid dreams... anyway, the practice of meditation gave my mind a very good ability to concentrate, and also opened it even more to this "psychic" influences...

Some years later, at 21, i started to smoke, and then my abilities had also an increase. I noticed that weed helped a LOT to concentrate and to empty my mind (a thing i never had completly accomplished before smoking)... also, i noticed that when i was VERY stoned i could hear things that people seemed to have said... like... i would look to someone and it would seems like i had heard this someone saying something very silently, like mumbling... but i couldnt discern if the person actually had said something or not... i know it could be only some effect of being high, but i think it could be a bit of clariaudience.

Also, smoking gave me a greater control over my dreams... it became easier to me to became lucid during a dream... also, as it helped me to keep my mind empty, i noticed my precognitive abilities increased even more...

Besides this, i noticed when i was stoned i could somehow "feel" the peoples intentions... not their thoughts exactly... but i could say when they were lying, or hidding something, or being untruthful, things like this...

In fact, i could say that smoking was by far the thing that most increased this abilities... unfortunately it also scrambled my memory a bit, so the things that happened after i started to smoke cant be remembered as orderly as the things that happened before... so i cant give a history of its developements.

Then i started to read more about this subjects. I did read lots of things about OOBEs, altered states of consciousness, the Castanedas books, something about occult, and could make a picture of all this in my mind. Also, reading this all increased even more what i could do, and gave me lots of new ideas to experiment.

During some time i tried to foresee the lottery numbers... i could foresee mostly the first one, sometimes the two first ones... but the thrill of being right was enough to hinder my sucesses, and so i wasnt able to foresee correctly more than 3 numbers... anyway, i stopped to try this, cause it wouldnt be nice to use this "powers" in such materialistic ways.

Anyway... today my situation is: i usually dream about many things (if not all) that will happen with me during the day. Most unusual things that happens with me are dreamed about before they happen. I usually know how many new emails ive got, before opening my mail. I also usually can feel (with a large degree of sureness) who is calling, when the phone starts to ring. I can shut up the neighbourhood cats only by focusing my minds attention in them (its very useful at the late night). I can read peoples intentions and emotions, with a nice degree of sureness. I am regarded as very lucky. I also can "feel" the outcome of many things... and this list could go on and on... but ive talked more about myself than i think its appropriate... not by concerns of secrecy... but for avoid being too "me me me"... cause self-importance is one of the greatest obstacles in being a psychic, and i wouldnt like to indulge in it...

So, in resume, i had a bit of psychic abilities, and after some training i improved them greatly, and also got some new ones.
I think anyone can have this abilities. Im sure our minds are capable to do more things than we think. Then only problem is we usually are too busy with other things to pay attention to our "psychic" abilities.

Anyway, if you want to train them, i would suggest you to learn how to meditate. How to empty your mind, and how to focus your concentration. It is by far the most useful thing. Everything else comes after it.

There are also some sites that teach other things, like psychokinesis, telepathy, etc... also, there are books that helps to understand this things... if you want nice things to read, just say so, and i can give you links to all this stuff.
Also, if you had any question about anything i described, of anything about anything, just ask! Ill be glad to answer you. :thumbsup:

Awesome experiences, share more if you got them. Talking about freaky things like that is something I'm pretty interested in.

I've had dozens of strange coincidences too through my life. I can't remember too many in great detail. When I was maybe in my mid-teens, I had a TV that got messed up after a thunderstorm and took it to a shop to be repaired. They kept it for a very long time never giving me any updates about when it would be fixed. Early one morning while it was still dark I suddenly woke up and saw a TV floating above me, and it slowly vanished. I laid there awake thinking that was one helluva weird thing to hallucinate..... and later that day the repair shop called me to say that the TV was fixed!

Back when I still had some shreds of faith left in the Christian god, I asked god to ease my dad's suffering and take him away on Christmas (there was no possible way for him to get better)... then later that month at around 10pm on Christmas eve, he died. After I stopped believing in religion I started to wonder if it was my own doing for thinking about it.

I've had a terrible time on the receiving end of psychic phenomenon, but I consider myself to be more of a transmitter. People around me will say things or talk about stuff that I'm thinking about.... Sometimes so much, that I don't have to do any talking because they do it for me. Once in a while my spider-senses start to tingle and I know something's gonna happen but never sure what it will be until it does. I'm sometimes sensitive to someone's negative energy, or when I encounter a "psychic-vampire" that's trying to leech energy from people.

Ever heard of a "contact buzz"? Like when you get stoned, but other sober people around you get totally retarded for no reason. It's like you're projecting the stoned psychic vibe into their brains, it's pretty entertaining when it happens. I've also noticed a lot more weird coincidences to happen when I'm stoned, or just lots of weird random shit happens.

As for auditory hallucinations, if I let my mind wander as if in a day dream, I'll sometimes hear stuff. Not able to tell if weed enhances this for me or not. When I was younger I could sometimes think about a song so much that I could start to hear it as if I was listening to headphones.

Meditation is harder than it seems, for me anyways. My mind races with thoughts and has many things goin on at once it's so hard to clear it. I don't practice often which is one of my main problems. Whenever I try to meditate while stoned it seems I've always got the wrong kind to smoke, those damn hybrids and mostly sativa strains that get my mind racing. I know if I can someday master simple meditation then my energy will be balanced so that I can receive and transmit forms of psychic energy more efficiently.

Sorry guys just can't read that much right now!!!! heheheheheh.......LOL!:D

I guess to believe in psychic abilities you would have to have them or a part of them, which i don't think i have.... but yeah those are some pretty interesting experiences i would be trippin out

just read green destiny's post and wow those things happen to me ALOT, it seems like weirder shit happens when im high and if it happened to me while sober I would still think it was weird. Audio hallucinations happen all the time to me like when you can hear a song so clearly in your head but its not playing.....ah the power of the human brain

This is the way I understand the physics of mass and energy

Mass and energy are one in the same, they can be interchangeable (this is how the A-bomb works)
--types of energy:
â?¢Heat
â?¢Electric
â?¢atomic

Secondly, sound and light are both "waves" that are created by releases of energy

So here's a couple of things that you could do (theoretically of course)

1.) a.) You could transform the heat energy within an area into any solid of your choice
------you know like in the cartoons, if you think hard enough about a screw it will appear

b.) You could do the exact same thing by extracting the chem-electric energy from a battery

c.) Or lastly you could drop an atomic bomb and transform all of the energy released durring the chemical decomposition into whatever you wanted (thus creating the ultimate defense against the A-bomb, without the energy it's just a free-falling rock)

2.) a.) You could heat your house the economy style by turning your useless "garage sale" items into heat energy!!! :D

b.) You could also turn those useless items into electric energy to power your electronics!

c.) If your looking to dig a hole for say a backyard pool or perhaps you need to install an egressed window in your basement you could turn your useless items into atomic energy by transforming the objects into energy, then redistribute that energy into making Uranium 125 and then splitting it to cause a small explosion to create a crater!!!!! (A little complicated, but "theoretically" it could work)

3.) You could communicate using the transformation of "mass" to "energy", then create a wave with that energy with simple objects such as a box of kleenex or a bar of soap...

4.) *this one's confusing* Since light is an energy carrying wave you could theoretically redirect that light energy back into a solid (the sun would be a great resource for this) and then use that solid for whatever you wanted...

5.) The last thing I can think of is one I can't "theoretically" explain because I don't see how you could transfer one mind's "thought" (which is basically just a formulation of electrical pulses) to another mind silently without some sort of path that anyone could hear if they walked through it...

But to sum this all up, this is all impossible because it requires an incredibly inaccessible amount of energy to transform solid into energy and thus that is why the atomic bomb is so devastating.

THE END :D

Albert Einstein - E=Mc^2

Amen

Zero-point energy is where it's at, baby, yeahhhhh.

Oh dang, what about having deja vu? That is one helluva thing. From time to time it'll happen so much to me. Each time it happens I try to think about what I did in my previous experience but I can't remember.

I never bothered to write them down to compare similarities between each time I have it... I really should because I'm certain that I keep having the same thing happen over and over again sometimes, no matter how much time has passed between the reoccuring events. A deja vu log would be more useful to me than a dream log.... I gotta stop being so lazy and forgetful.

SunnyD : hmm those are some pritty cool things that we 'could' do. Well put and well thought out. THanks

GreenDestiny: Wow those are some crazy experiences! I'd love to hear more! I was just wondering thought, how do you know when you've come to face a 'psychic vampire?' Also I kind of get feeling too but I went into a little detail at the bottom if your interested ...I've also had deja vu's before too, to me they're kind of like precognition accept you realize you've seen it before when you see it the second time.. well thats what its like for me. Some were more 'powerful' i guess you could say.. more recognizable then others though. Writting them down is a good idea thought. I'll have to start doing that but I've havnt had any of these in a while

Coelho: Those are so cool too, I'd def love to hear more of your experiences too. I used to meditiate a while back but now only rarly. I think I'll take your advice and start.. also look up other ways I can try to train my psychic ability.

~ I have had experiences before like just knowing who was going to die at the end of the movie even though I was only 1/4-1/2 through. Last night though I had an experience. I was working late and it was around 10 to 12pm and we close at 12 and I had to 'ring off' all the machines and get them ready for the next day as well as count money... well I had this feeling that someone else was going to come.. like 10 minutes till closing and I needed to get this stuff done but I was hesitant because it just didnt feel right, someone was missing, someone was still comming. But i ignored the feeling and shut everything down anyways and sure enough 5 to 12 someone else came.... what makes me mad was that i KNEW..I could feel it and I just ignored it..i was also interested in this because I was right:wtf:

anyways great stories and great insite everyone:thumbsup:
Thanks

I hear De Ja Vuu means there's a glitch in the matrix...it happens every time an agent moves through a program...

:eek::confused::eek::what:

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Originally Posted by Priincesss

GreenDestiny: Wow those are some crazy experiences! I'd love to hear more! I was just wondering thought, how do you know when you've come to face a 'psychic vampire?'

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I haven't read much about how to tell if someone's a psychic vampire, and it's kinda hard to explain... I'll try.

For a lot of people I can just feel the basic type of energy that they're giving off, only if I choose to acknowledge this feeling. Lots of time's I'll ignore the vibes so that I won't be too distracted by it. It feels as if being around the psych vamp is draining your own energy, you feel maybe a little tired or disoriented, or restless/uncomfortable. Or maybe it's a person that you have great difficulty saying no to; a very influential person. Sometimes being around the person often you will notice a lot of misfortune to come your way while their luck seems to increase. And most people that turn out to be a psych vamp are not aware of what they are.

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

Ever heard of a "contact buzz"? Like when you get stoned, but other sober people around you get totally retarded for no reason. It's like you're projecting the stoned psychic vibe into their brains, it's pretty entertaining when it happens.

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Man... i noticed it too! Its funny indeed... and from what ive noticed, it seems if the person were a smoker, it will be more affected by the "stoning vibrations" than if it were not.

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

I've also noticed a lot more weird coincidences to happen when I'm stoned, or just lots of weird random shit happens.

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Yes... sometimes its even scary... the most weird things seems to choose the time when we are the most high to happen...

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Originally Posted by GreenDestiny

Meditation is harder than it seems, for me anyways. My mind races with thoughts and has many things goin on at once it's so hard to clear it. I don't practice often which is one of my main problems. Whenever I try to meditate while stoned it seems I've always got the wrong kind to smoke, those damn hybrids and mostly sativa strains that get my mind racing. I know if I can someday master simple meditation then my energy will be balanced so that I can receive and transmit forms of psychic energy more efficiently.

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Well... meditation is very hard indeed... it took me some 6 years since i started to practice it (sparingly though) until i be able to consciously to empty my mind (or rather, to stop the internal dialogue) at will, and even so most times i only can do it for short amounts of time.
Indica strains helps to calm down the mind indeed... and sativas makes the mind race, but they still can be used to develop mind abilities... when i started to smoke, i couldnt function properly when sativa-high. But with the passing of time, i learned how to be high and also function almost as if i were sober. For doing it i had to "split" my mind somehow... like if i could think two things at the same time, so one of my minds was very sativa-high, and the other one was sober and controlling my actions... for do this, the amount of concentration needed is enormous, and so it was a good thing for exercising the mind.
Also, having this ability of "split" the mind is very useful for most psychic abilities.

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Last night though I had an experience. I was working late and it was around 10 to 12pm and we close at 12 and I had to 'ring off' all the machines and get them ready for the next day as well as count money... well I had this feeling that someone else was going to come.. like 10 minutes till closing and I needed to get this stuff done but I was hesitant because it just didnt feel right, someone was missing, someone was still comming. But i ignored the feeling and shut everything down anyways and sure enough 5 to 12 someone else came.... what makes me mad was that i KNEW..I could feel it and I just ignored it..i was also interested in this because I was right:wtf:

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It is what most happens with me... to "feel" things that will happen... and i know how frustrating is when we ignore this things and they were right... i lost the bus several times because i didnt believed this "feelings"...

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For a lot of people I can just feel the basic type of energy that they're giving off, only if I choose to acknowledge this feeling. Lots of time's I'll ignore the vibes so that I won't be too distracted by it. It feels as if being around the psych vamp is draining your own energy, you feel maybe a little tired or disoriented, or restless/uncomfortable. Or maybe it's a person that you have great difficulty saying no to; a very influential person. Sometimes being around the person often you will notice a lot of misfortune to come your way while their luck seems to increase. And most people that turn out to be a psych vamp are not aware of what they are.

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Well... i had the misfortune of know some of this persons... and its indeed very uncomfortable... they usually demands a lot of attention for them, and makes you feel sleepy/tired... it takes a lot of psychic skill/energy to effectively block their drainage.
And one thing ive noticed, it seems this "vampires" "learn" this with other people... usually they are "drained" when childs (by some parent, relative, etc) and then learn (unconsciously) how to do this... but dont know consciously what theyre doing, nor how to control it (even unconsciously).
It may seems weird, but i had the misfortune of know the dad of one of this "vampires", and he was an even greater "vampire"... he was excruciatingly boring and demanding... so it was very hard to dismiss him, even feeling bored to death... so im almost sure his son was very "vampirized" when was a child and so learned this nasty ability.

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Coelho: Those are so cool too, I'd def love to hear more of your experiences too. I used to meditiate a while back but now only rarly. I think I'll take your advice and start.. also look up other ways I can try to train my psychic ability.

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Well... this weekend i was going to my uncles house, and a soccer game was about to start. Then i wished to know anything about what would happen at the game, then a thought just popped in my mind "Flamengo 1x0". First i thought it was the end result of the game, but then "felt" it wasnt, but only a "partial" result... meaning that the Flamengo would be the first team to score a goal... then i arrived at my uncles house, and some 15 minutes later, the Flamengo actually scored the first goal of the game!
The next day (yesterday), i dreamed i was looking my email and had only a new spam message. When i actually looked my email, it indeed had only a new spam message.
The same day, at afternoon, i was looking at some mountains i had climbed, and thought about one i was wishing to climb very much, but hadnt any hope to do it soon, because its far away, it takes some equipment (tents, etc) and i didnt know the way, so i would need someone who know it. Then i thought "when will i to climb that mountain?"
Some hours later, when my cousin arrived, he told me one friend of him was going to climb the mountain i was wanting to, and he invited my cousin (and me) to go with them... and i must admit this one awed me... :eek:

If you want some nice things to read about psychic abilities, look at:

PsiPog.net : Science is Evolving

There are several interesting things there... anyway, i must warn you all that learning psychic abilities only for the sake of it is almost a mistake. Some people becomes frightened with they learn if they are able to feel other persons thoughts/emotions... some people uses this abilities to get advantages to their own (usually at expense of other people), which is exactly to "indulge in the dark side of the force"... and this abilities doesnt make one wiser or happier or more free. So, its better to spend your time and concentration only meditating with the goal of achieving enlightenment, wisdom and freedom, and then all this abilities will appear naturally, at its right time, and the person will have the proper control of itself to know how and when to use this abilities.

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Originally Posted by Coelho

There are several interesting things there... anyway, i must warn you all that learning psychic abilities only for the sake of it is almost a mistake. Some people becomes frightened with they learn if they are able to feel other persons thoughts/emotions... some people uses this abilities to get advantages to their own (usually at expense of other people), which is exactly to "indulge in the dark side of the force"... and this abilities doesnt make one wiser or happier or more free. So, its better to spend your time and concentration only meditating with the goal of achieving enlightenment, wisdom and freedom, and then all this abilities will appear naturally, at its right time, and the person will have the proper control of itself to know how and when to use this abilities.

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I know what you mean.. I've always loved learning about psychic abilities though and trying to inhance my own. Although I've never wanted to use my abilities to take advantage of others. I agree. Meditation time is better spent looking for enlightenment and fulfilling yourself.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts, I've definatly done a lot of thinking about everything you've all had to say.

Coelho: Thanks so much for that wesite too.. I love it.. Im definatly giving you good karma for that:)

I'd have to say that it's my mom who is the psychic vampire that influenced me. And the ability sorta passed on to me, and of course I used it for my own twisted enjoyment as much as I could (as much as I thought I could).

But in recent years I've found more peace and I've got most of the dark urges under control. But I believe that equilibrium/balance is the best state of being, with great enlightenment and tranquility there must exist great turmoil and chaos. I've seen the downfalls of too much "good", it usually leads to narrow-minded self righteousness. Trying to keep a balance is a daunting task. Damn me for being a Libra with the freakin scales.... It runs along the same lines as the "split" mind you mentioned, Coelho. I am my own best friend AND worst enemy. Nothing's perfect, that's why we should not strive to make things so; it is the imperfections that define perfection.

I'll try to check out that link later. Sometimes I don't want to develop any abilities... I could easily slip back into my darker half and wreak havoc. I'll have to stabalize the balance of good and bad in me first, hopefully meditation will help with that.

Here's a question for you guys

Is it a good or a bad thing to be a Psych Vamp???

I think it would be really cool to be one, but would it be consequently racking up bad karma because you're depleting the people around you?...

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I'd have to say that it's my mom who is the psychic vampire that influenced me. And the ability sorta passed on to me, and of course I used it for my own twisted enjoyment as much as I could (as much as I thought I could).
.................it is the imperfections that define perfection.

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Sorry to hear about your struggles with having a parent be a psychic vamp. and you being one yourself, but your right. it is our imperfectesions that define perfection and we are all perfect the way we are.

This is new to me though because I've only heard of people who are psychic vampires but never knew, so hearing of someone who knows... that experience is definatly new. I hope your meditation helps you though and you continue to maintain control over your urges

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Originally Posted by SunnyD

Here's a question for you guys

Is it a good or a bad thing to be a Psych Vamp???

I think it would be really cool to be one, but would it be consequently racking up bad karma because you're depleting the people around you?...

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At first I didn't think it was really benifitial or terrible either. Im not so sure now after hearing Destiny's struggles with their ability. I used to think it would be pritty cool to be one too and be able to effect people and different ways without them even knowing like all those people you really don't like and have it comming... but ya, definatly a lot of bad karma.. but really it would be your choice to do that or not, although the choice would be hard because you have this ability and you have urges but you also have morals and sympathy.

Im going to go with yes and no. Being a psychic vampire can be either good or bad depending on the way you see it and utilize your abilites.

But as it is stated earlier, a lot of psychic vampires have no idea of what they are and what they are doing...

So, in that context, you wouldn't be consciously aware of what you were doing to people, and yet your subconscious would be racking up all of the bad karma for your physical being... Wouldn't that be straight up bad?

I mean you wouldn't even get to enjoy the fact that you consciously know you're sucking the energy from people

It can work the other way around, you can try to project energy onto a person instead of leeching it away. Like, maybe giving away some of your good energy to help others. Too many things have happened to make be believe I've done it without any intention..... When friends come around me sometimes random lucky things happen to them. But at other times I happen to be the one that brings them random bad luck. Until just this past year my mind/body/spirit has been WAY unbalanced, one friend that was sensitive to psychic powers always referred to me as an "avatar of chaos" because I was just projecting random insanity into my surroundings.

I am the wild card posing as a joker in the deck of life.

All powers can be used for good or bad. If you believe in karma, then it's not necessarily a bad thing to use your powers for selfish reasons. When the universe/environment is trying to rebalance itself you might get shafted, that's just your viewpoint of what needed to be done for balance to be maintained. But sometimes good or bad shit happens and that whole theory of karma and balance just goes all to hell. That's just how I see karma, but I don't believe in it (even though it owes me a great retirement plan!).

Karma can sometimes be hard to understand...This is the way I see Karma:

1.) In order to offset any Bad Karma that may be forth coming, you must engage in good Karma

2.) Any bad Karma that you feel may have been dealt in undeserving terms should not be seen as being "shafted" I don't think. I think that any undeserved bad is merely a gift letting you know that something equally good is coming, you just don't know when. Every good person has stories of terrible things that have happened to them, but on the flip side they also have stories of great things that have happened.

3.) Good Karma promotes Good Karma, and Bad Karma promotes Bad Karma. The good and the bad don't equal each other out. If you live the life of a Good citizen you will reap the advantages of the "good" lifestyle. If you live the life of a Bad citizen you will reap the disadvantages of the "bad" lifestyle.

4.) I don't believe that Karma goes to hell, there are merely situations that need to happen to offset other drastic situations that have already happened. This corrolates with point number 2.

That's the way I view Karma, I hope that makes sense, ask more questions if you need more detail.

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Hey guys.. I was just doing some thinking

~I've always been a believer in psychic abilities and experiences like altral projection, clairvoyance (to a point) , telekinesis I don't exactly know why but these possibilities have always attracted me I guess because these abilities would open so many doors and possibilities in this world (at least for me and my spirituality)

some more thoughts

1- when I break it all down , as I see it , we're just energy. Our cells and atoms are made up of , well what ever there made off but that materials just energy. Energy can be morphed and transformed and transfered wouldn't it make sence that we could also manipulate the energy surounding us? Tap into the base of your energy source and utilize that to influence our surroundings? That in my mind makes telekinese logical and possible.

2- Time .. how can you describe time? Many people think of time as in a time period, a straight line, beginning and end we just dont know the beginning and ending point. What if you thought of time like a circle? No being, no end just constant motion, eventually everything will come to an 'end' point where nothing is left but then you continue on in the circle and everything starts over. What if we could peel back the layers of our universe/ demension to reveal portals that can access what we refer to as 'time' and we can travel to different parts of this circle.

3- Atral projection has be experienced by many people or clamed to be experience either by sleep or meditation. I think this can be totally logical. Separating our 'spirit' or part of our main energy source and being able to move around through the world and universe... I think that when this happens your taking some of your energy source to accomplish this, thats why you are left in a meditated, non-coherent state because part of your life force is being taken away. But say you totally separated from your body wouldnt that mean your body would died.. you would be dead by scientific standards and decompose in which the energy you left in your body would eventually return to you/ the universe

4- Science.. many people wouldn't believe in these occurences because it is proven to be impossible by science. Correct me if Im wrong but isn't science a man made noun and adjective.. it is a theory created by mankind to explain the un-explainable. It describes why things happen, like chemicals x and y react to create substance z but science can't explain why exactly things react together or why things are the way they are. What exactly is science anyway? Its just descibed as studying to gain knowledge and truth, so if something can't be scientifically explained just means we don't understand it, that doesn't mean it isn't possible right? Sometimes I wonder how we can put so much faith in science when its just regular people (well really smart people) doing tests and trying to develope theories and reasons to explain something.

5- People are scared. They don't want to believe or even think about possibilities like these because they don't want to admit that there are greater forces in the universe besides ourselves. Theres more to life then getting up, going to work and watching TV. We're afraid because we can't explain these things with our 'science' so we automatically think they aren't possible and continue to live our sheltered lives and dont even try to reach out and understand or even consider different possibilities.. I think us as a species are not living up to our potential. If only we could work together and study and be observant and open minded we could gain so much more insite and theory about our universe and its inner workings

~Well those are just some of the thoughts I had swimming around in my mind.

'what we think we know is only a drop in the sea of knowledge'- as I once read on a website.. although I dont remember which one, this quote describes how I feel too.

If you guys have any thoughts feel free to drop them off, any replies would be nice because I would really like to no everyones thoughts, weither you agree or think Im a total nut-case.. feel free.

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1. mind over matter. Mental processes hold the most power over our bodies.

unity is a prerequisite to wielding the power of mind AND body.

The body holds as much power over the physical as the mind does over the mental, but unless they are working together in perfect harmony, both are at a disadvantage.


time is infinite, neither a line nor circular or spherical, but... something.

due to teh nature of infinity, the best example, the best metaphor or symbol, WOULD, however, be a sphere or circle.


i think of it as a multi-faceted spherical spiral that has no edges, sides, or points.

3. astral projection is something i have not directly experienced. i understand it, but have no say one way or the other based on experience, only research and contemplation.

it is the mind, free from the body.


4. science cannot prove something is impossible, it can only prove the conditions in which something IS possible.

People who use science as an excuse not to believe something are just as gullible as someone who will believe anything.


Science is only a means to prove what circumstances are required to make things work.


it can, by no means, disprove anything outside of circumstance...

so that said, the circumstances for scientifically proving that our minds and bodies are equally separate as they are united are nil; it cannot be proven nor can it be disproved by science. only our own experiences will be evidence of anything.


5. fear and love are the two root emotions. everything negative can be traced back to fear, everything positive back to love.

We love the idea of unlimited power, so we fear that we will never have it.


that fear stops us dead in our tracks from attempting to reach for unlimited power. the fear of failure, the fear of proving it isnt possible. the fear of limited power in life drives us to reject the higher possibilities.

Sunny D : hmm I enjoyed reading that.. I've never really thought about karma and you have sum really good points

Stoner Shadow Wolf : you also had really good thoughts about this. like how science can only prove how something is possible. You really got me thinking about that and everything else like love and fear being the root emotions.

to all : Thanks for keeping my brain active:) You all have interesting things to say and I love reading what everyone else thinks about these different points that arrise

Why does this discussion remind me so much of the matrix...

In the second movie when Neo finally meets up with the father of the matrix he says that the only problem that has been left unsolved the equation that is the human existance is the way that love functions.

Watch the first and second ones...don't bother watching the third one...in fact...the second one kinda sucks too. Watch it anyways though. Neo kicks ass

Stay Sunny Guys

happy to be of service :)

This is a fun Thread :thumbsup::jointsmile:

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Why does this discussion remind me so much of the matrix...

In the second movie when Neo finally meets up with the father of the matrix he says that the only problem that has been left unsolved the equation that is the human existance is the way that love functions.

Watch the first and second ones...don't bother watching the third one...in fact...the second one kinda sucks too. Watch it anyways though. Neo kicks ass

Stay Sunny Guys

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Neo is a rehash of jesus.

the matrix is a rehash of earth

the "real world" is a rehash of heaven.

Smith is a rehash of government.

the father of the matrix is a rehashed devil.

Exactly

hmm Im starting to think I should really watch the Matrix... actually doesnt beowolf and the goldencompas have religious reference too?

Thats kinda cool how people can take thoughts and beliefs and put them into a movie metaphorically/ symbolically with characters and settings

When I'm stoned and I happen to think about it, I trip the fuck out when I start thinking abou the Matrix, or the Terminator.... anything dealing with machines taking over. People are working very hard to make things like that become a real possibility. Trippy shit.

If we are a direct result of natural evolution, then everything that we produce is also a part of it: the merging of biology and technology is one possible form of evolution. The only question is will technology evolve to become the dominant factor?

Remember when virtual reality was getting popular? What ever happened to it? I wish development of it didn't slack off so they could have found ways to indirectly connect our brains to it. The research isn't too different from using brain signals to move robotic prosthetic limbs... it's just the other way around, providing the areas of our brain the right signals.

Even better, make a machine to induce a perfect lucid dream, and keep you there indefinitely. I totally would be a test subject for that!

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When I'm stoned and I happen to think about it, I trip the fuck out when I start thinking abou the Matrix, or the Terminator.... anything dealing with machines taking over. People are working very hard to make things like that become a real possibility. Trippy shit.

If we are a direct result of natural evolution, then everything that we produce is also a part of it: the merging of biology and technology is one possible form of evolution. The only question is will technology evolve to become the dominant factor?

Remember when virtual reality was getting popular? What ever happened to it? I wish development of it didn't slack off so they could have found ways to indirectly connect our brains to it. The research isn't too different from using brain signals to move robotic prosthetic limbs... it's just the other way around, providing the areas of our brain the right signals.

Even better, make a machine to induce a perfect lucid dream, and keep you there indefinitely. I totally would be a test subject for that!

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Thanks for the link, I once heard that it could be possible that we are already in a simulation, just didn't know it had a name. When I was younger I would pretend that reality was a virtual reality game (sometimes I still do!)

That site has other great stuff I love to read about.

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I've seen the downfalls of too much "good", it usually leads to narrow-minded self righteousness.

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Well... i forgot to mention it... in fact i need to make a thread only about this, but while i dont do it, i will only say the basics of it here:
The self-importance is the greatest enemy of every person, of the nations, of all the mankind. Its their downfall.
We are mere humans, only another species of animal living in this grain of sand we call Earth... each one of us is only one among 6 billion of other humans like us... we are nothing. But due our enormous sense of self-importance we think we are something very great, so important that we think we have the right to influence other peoples lifes to our own benefit... we think only about our own desires, as if they were the most important thing in the world, and we cling to it and we kill and steal to satisfy them (wars, for example)... and if we are good, we think we are doing great things, and we think we are very righteous for doing it... and if someone disagree with us, we feel ofended, and feel that being offended is the right thing to do, because we are SO important that we cant afford being disagreed... in fact, all the evil, all of is rotten about mankind can be traced up to the self-importance.
Getting rid of the self-importance is one of the greatest (and hardest) accomplishments of anyone. The ones who "indulge in the dark side of the force" are exactly the ones who cant get rid of the self-importance, and are dominated by it, so they do all kinds of evil only to do what please themselves.
I could go on and on, but i still want to make a thread only about this, and also i dont want to hijack this thread.
So, thats why i say its better to learn to meditate and achieve enlightenment before spending time learning psychic skills. Cause when one is enlightened one learns its real importance (none), learns that we all are one and one person is not better or more important than other person or any other living being. And after it, this person can learn any skill without the risk of becoming seduced by the power of it, without using it for evil purposes, cause after one loses the self-importance one becomes good. Not the (proud) self-righteous good, but the TRUE (humble) good, like the real saints and enlightened ones.

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Well... i forgot to mention it... in fact i need to make a thread only about this, but while i dont do it, i will only say the basics of it here:
The self-importance is the greatest enemy of every person, of the nations, of all the mankind. Its their downfall.
We are mere humans, only another species of animal living in this grain of sand we call Earth... each one of us is only one among 6 billion of other humans like us... we are nothing. But due our enormous sense of self-importance we think we are something very great, so important that we think we have the right to influence other peoples lifes to our own benefit... we think only about our own desires, as if they were the most important thing in the world, and we cling to it and we kill and steal to satisfy them (wars, for example)... and if we are good, we think we are doing great things, and we think we are very righteous for doing it... and if someone disagree with us, we feel ofended, and feel that being offended is the right thing to do, because we are SO important that we cant afford being disagreed... in fact, all the evil, all of is rotten about mankind can be traced up to the self-importance.
Getting rid of the self-importance is one of the greatest (and hardest) accomplishments of anyone. The ones who "indulge in the dark side of the force" are exactly the ones who cant get rid of the self-importance, and are dominated by it, so they do all kinds of evil only to do what please themselves.
I could go on and on, but i still want to make a thread only about this, and also i dont want to hijack this thread.
So, thats why i say its better to learn to meditate and achieve enlightenment before spending time learning psychic skills. Cause when one is enlightened one learns its real importance (none), learns that we all are one and one person is not better or more important than other person or any other living being. And after it, this person can learn any skill without the risk of becoming seduced by the power of it, without using it for evil purposes, cause after one loses the self-importance one becomes good. Not the (proud) self-righteous good, but the TRUE (humble) good, like the real saints and enlightened ones.

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Wow thats really deep, I never really thought about that. Im guilty of allowing myself to feel importante.. though I dont think importance is all that bad like you mentioned about being humbel I think we should all feel worthy but its dangerous when we feel surperior, im guilty of this. When I was younger I was a mild narcissist. I thought i was better then everyone else.. they should all love me and want to be me and want to be around me because I was so much better then them. Over the years I realized that that's not only not true but I felt that way because I realy felt worthless and inadequate.

~ I was just wondering if anyone does this? Debate with yourself and pick apart what your thinking and feeling and why. Sometimes I would think of what I want most in the world then pick apart and examine why I actually wanted that. What are my true feelings and reasoning behind my desires. I just find it so interesting and fun to examine yourself and your psyche and true to figure out who you really are. I think doing this helps give you a true sense of self and lets you dig deeper into yourself and learn more threw meditation and help develope psychic abilities

Ahhhh..... the good old days of when I had a superiority complex (with an I.Q. to back it up). Hey, when you come from an average family, living in a below-average area, it's hard not to think you're a god among insects.

I still have to constantly remind myself that I'm not better OR worse than anyone else. Or that we're all equally important... or equally worthless. Depends on my mood. I come from a family that still has a lot of old-skool views on racism and stuff. Crazy ignorant fucks... Poisoned my mind being around them most of my life.



I know its really possible to levitate or fly. I've levitated at least a couple times. It happened a long time ago when I was maybe an early teenager. I'd be asleep in bed but then I'd suddenly wake up and fall flat onto the bed as if my whole body had been floating about 1 foot above the mattress. It was freaky as hell! It's the only way it ever happened, and lasted for that split second from after waking up.

Only other explanation I can think of about that would be my soul or whatever it is that leaves the body during an out of body experience.... like it was floating above my body and then when I woke up I fell straight back into my body. But I felt the physical impact of it from my head all the way to my feet at the same time.