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I read the book and own the movie and I am a firm believer in "The Secret" because MMJ comes to me, even when I don't have money! As long as I focus on happy feelings about marijuana, I receive more in return!
I suggest everybody either read the book or see the movie... The marijuana will cometh!
:jointsmile:,
Laura
"Om Shiva Shankare Hare Hare Ganja"
The Secret works for anything... IF you belive, of course.
And thats the secret of the secret... The secret of the secret is not knowing what is the secret, but believing in it.
The ones who believes, are the ones who can use it.
I used up all my Secret karma points when living in Hawaii...
If I wasn't using it for getting free food, I was using it for weed.
There was even this really awesome spot I could hang at, and a few times during the day people would come through with weed and smoke me out if I was there.
Also being a good friend to people is key. I'd get torn between multiple sessions at the same time lol
Hasn't really been working for me in TN though...
Maybe the weed is using The Secret to come to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloraLaura
Good Christ, The Secret has become such a religion now that everybody believes in it and nobody questions it. They start with a theory losesly based on quantum and conventional physics, then make a string of assertions with diddly-squat to back them up.
My favorite was when they say "some people think this couldn't work because there isn't enough wealth to go around. But here's the secret: There is enough!"
next person: "There is enough!"
next person: "There really is enough!"
next person: "There is, enough!"
That about sets the tone for the whole movie. They speak their assertions adamently, convincingly, and with great possitivity; so sure that they know it's right, it must be! And we can back it up with evidence! Entirely anecdotal, easily made-up evidence, that probably relies on cherry picking possitively-thinking people who got lucky.
Don't buy into the latest fad just because believing in it comes with promises of grandiose solutions to all the world's problems. In that case you might as well just pick up some religion's mythology and believe in that. Things are almost (or entirely) always a scam when you have to believe in it to work, because then if it doesn't work, you've engrained belief in your mind to override logic; interpreting everything that happens, success or no, so that it matches up to your preconceptions.
Gandalf, The Secret will never work for you because you don't BELIEVE! If it doesn't work, it's your fault! Really, for a Wizard, you seem incapable of magical thinking....
The whole point of the secret and all other visualization techniques for manifestation is to increase visualization skills. Visualization was used by all the great thinkers. The ability to imagine something into reality. Einstein imagined riding on beams of light and Tesla imagined the whole world lit up by electricity.
Go forward twenty years in your mind and imagine what amazing technological advances there are in all fields and even new ones. You never know you might end up finding out how to get there.
Actually, I do not know anything about The Secret, so I should not ridicule it. But generally I'm with Gandalf on these kinds of things --- very sceptical.
I agree completly! And i dont mean it as a joke, as Dragonrider does. I mean seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
While it may actually sound very absurd (i know it does), there is some truth behind all this. Of course it is not like they explain in the movie, or in the book. They do indeed some questionable (to say the VERY least) interpretations of quantum mechanics, but unfortunately its usual in all this "new age" stuff.
Anyway, the main point is: visualizating a thing you wish that happen actually increases the chances of it happen.
Now i have to call a quantum mechanics interpretaion called "the many worlds interpretation". Just remember that im a physicist, so im not making a naive or misguided interpretation of quantum mechanics.
This many worlds interpretaion says that there is infinite "parallel" universes, where all the possibilities of all the events are there. Like, lets say i throw a coin. It can be heads or tails. In our universe, it only can be one of this options. Well, what the many-worlds interpretation states is that there are two universes: in one of them the coin choosed heads, and in the other it choosed tails. But as we only can percieve one universe, we percieve that the coin choosed one of the options.
And this is valid for all the possible choices of all particles of all atoms, etc... so in fact there are kazillions of parallel universes, with all the possible outcomes of all possible choices.
Note the important role of our perception. All the possible possibilities exist, they are there. But only the ones that we actually percieve are the ones that seems "real" for us.
When you visualize a thing and wish it become true, youre in fact creating a "goal" to where your perception must go. Or, in other worlds, youre choosing which possible parallel universe you want to "go" to. (The one where the thing youre visualizing becomes true).
And what makes you reach this universe? The choices. Imagine youre in a plain with lots and lots of forking paths, and youre walking through any of them. Imagine youre somewhere and want to arrive somewhere else. If you know the direction of where you want to arrive, at each fork in the path you can choose the right way to go, to arrive where you want to.
And its the same with the visualization. The visualization is like choosing where you want to arrive at. And then, if you have the goal clearly depicted in your mind, it will choose always the right choices to assure that you reach whatever you visualized.
Thats why most people who uses this secret talks about incredible good luck, or being at the right place in the right time, or unusual coincidences, things like this. Cause they were the right choices, and led them to the desired results.
I hope it can be "understandable" enough... i have a very clear picture of how it works in my mind, but rendering it in words and translating to english is really not easy. So, if there was anything unclear, feel free to ask! :thumbsup:
Hmmmm....Kinda like Kung Fu Panda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
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Originally Posted by Coelho
Coelho, I watched The Secret last summer and did believe in it, at least as a solid theory worth trying. I constantly focused on what I want, constantly believed that I would accomplish my goals, and was extremely certain that some very important things would go through for me. And guess what; it all fell apart. Everything. In fact I can confidently say from years of experience with this consistent phenomenon, that the more certain I am that something will work, the better chance that it won't. Likewise, the only time shit ever does work out for me is when I finally, completely and utterly, give up and lose hope. Based on obvious and consistent experience, I give more validity to Murphey's Law than the Law of Attraction.
Gandalf, maybe you have something in you that negates The Secret. Maybe the more you hold the goal in your mind, the more you choose the "wrong" path. Or it could be that the theory is bunk.
I watched 60 Minutes last weekend and they had a feature on why the Danes are the happiest people on Earth. One guy's theory is that it is because the Danes are somewhat glum and pessimsitic by nature. They have low expectations, so when things turn out not to be so bad after all, they are really happy about it. I thought this was really funny. But maybe by expecting great things to happen, you set yourself up for disappointment. Or maybe this theory is total bunk too!
I'm sure it is importatnt to hold good things in your mind, work toward them and hope for the best. But it is also important to be realistic about failure and other bad outcomes. There may be no Secret.
the real secret is to have a plan on how to take advantage of a situation when things work out for the best...
and to also have a backup plan for when things don't work out.
that way you can always come out ahead. preparation and some self-confidence is all you need.
totally giving up your own choices and leaving it up to random chance is foolish, I think. Actions speak louder than words. Words speak louder than thoughts. Thoughts are useless until they become words/actions.
I knew where to be to have free weed come my way. I knew who to be nice to so they'd smoke me out. I'm responsible for what happened, not some watered down Jedi mind trick.
But it's hella fun to try and send the good vibes out as I go along... doesn't cost me a dime.
I think the fact that its called "the secret" should point out the sheer bogusness of it.
You get people excited enough and theyll believe in anything
Too bad we can't teach the secret to all the starving, homeless, and disenfranchised people all over the world so they can get wealth too.
Oh, but then some would put the blame of their misfortune squarely on their own heads because they don't believe in 'The Secret.'
The only thing I wish for is that I had thought up the scheme myself since it is such a good money maker.
And you only watched the secret last summer, long after you have noticed this... then you tried to use the secret in your life and unsurprisingly... it didnt work! Why was so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Because youre yes using the secret, but unconsciously and only against yourself. You even says:
So, obviously, things must go wrong for you. If you think that everything will go wrong in the worst way, and if you believe in it with your deepest feelings, than of course it will be so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
And the mere fact you give credit of the Murpheys law shows the validity of the Law of attraction... your pessimism attracts the Murpheys law. And it validates your pessimism. Its a snowball effect...
The secret does not work for the shallow words thought repeatedly, as people thinks. Just thinking "i will become rich" several times each day wont make you rich. The secret works only for our sincerest and deepest feelings and beliefs. Because only they are strong, deep enough to influence things. If you tried it but was sure that it wouldnt work, then it just couldnt work.
Or like the buddhists say: the desire is the cause of pain...Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
I would say that words also are useless unless they become actions... words by itself does nothing... they are just sounds in the wind... words only have effect if the one who hears it does (or doesnt) something because of them...Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDestiny
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Originally Posted by Coelho
I spent years as a child being the most happy, optimistic kid most people had ever seen. Only through years of getting fucked over did I become so pessimistic in the first place. Pessimism did not start any of this, it's a result of my life.
Also I think most people aren't even aware that "The Law of Attraction" is a fallacious, misleading term that gives scientific connotations to the theory where none exist. It is not a scientific law, and is in fact based in ancient hinduism. It's nothing but a misleadingly scientific-sounding name used to replace the term "Karma". The purporters of the theory don't have a scientific leg to stand on, and are advocating nothing more than a several-thousand year old theory that's been repackaged and sold as new. Sorry, I know I'm excessively pessimistic sometimes, but years of nothing but pain and isolation can do that to a person.
Coelho, didn't you recently finish a 12-year degree in physics? That being said, do you know of anything in conventional or experimental physics that would support the Law of Attraction? I'm absolutely open to accepting this theory if there's some solid evidence to back it up. What I've been seeing, though, is a lot of people enthusiastically embracing it because of how great it sounds, without actualy verrifying the "facts" through evidence. I've always maintained that scepticism is actually the most open-minded way of thinking, because being a true sceptic means having a willingness to reject your own preconceptions as much as others'.
If there is any bit of evidence, "What the bleep do we know" discusses some stuff that sounds like it'd be the science behind the Secret.
Quantum shit is interesting stuff, too bad we'll never know everything about it if we can't observe it without observational interference.... even science needs faith, how ironic.
Well... in this case, all i can say is that what the life did to you is enough... you shouldnt help it adding yourself more misery to it... bad thoughts only increases the suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Yet im aware that my advice can be useless for you, cause we live different realities. During a recent health problem i had which caused me some hours of intense pain, i noticed how easily pain changes ones world view, so what makes perfect sense for me may be nonsense for you and vice versa... anyway... its the best i could say.
I should study 12 years to be a full-fledged physicist... but i stopped at the half of it (remember im only 25). Anyway it does not matter because if i continued i would only study more specific things about a sub area of a sub area of physics, and it wouldnt help anything in a discussion about "general" physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
When i first heard about the Law of Atraction, it hasnt this obviously-comercial name... it was in a book of psycho-cybernetics, which explained that our mind is divided in two parts: one is the thinking/commanding part and other is a doing/obeying part.
So when we want to do something, for example, to type one key at the keyboard, our thinking mind sends a command to the doing part, like "hit such key with such finger", and the doing part calculates the tension needed to be reached by each muscle to accomplish the movement, and send the nervous signal to the muscles that actually make you type the key.
But this doing part does not work only for concrete actions, but also for abstract ones. So if your thinking mind commands your doing mind to follow an objective like "fail in everything i try", the doing mind will do anything at its disposition to ensure that the this order of the thinking mind be obeyed. The doing mind does not think (cause its the job of the thinking mind), only does whatever the thinking mind tells it to do.
And this doing mind has control not only over our muscles, but over our entire body, through nerves that connect every organ, the blood that carries substances that change the way that the organs and tissues works (like neurotransmitters, hormones, etc), etc... so depending on the commands that the thinking mind gives to it, the doing mind can improve or impair our health, due its great influence over the workings of the body.
It was taken as an explanation for the called "miracles" obtained by the use of the (today called) law of attraction, what i would rather call as positive thinking, well as for the called psychosomatic disorders.
As it made sense for me when i did read it, i started to believe in it, and my own experience started to confirm the validity of it in such astounding ways that i was convinced very soon. I achieved things beyond my wildest expectations just by wishing whole heartedly and believing that i could achieve them... and then i learned what is the base of the law of the attraction (how the intent creates reality), and it did even more sense, so i was really convinced.
And the evidences from the study of the physics are even deeper:
Indeed... while the movie is intended for the general public and so its also a bit comercial, its a explanation good enough of some physical concepts, even if the applications of such concepts in the law of attraction may be questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDestiny
The quantum mechanics showed that the atomic particles only have defined physical properties after we measure them. Before the measurement, the atomic particles does NOT have defined physical properties, so they can be anything. For example, a quantum coin. While a normal (called classical) coin can be either heads or tails, a quantum coin before a measurement (before you look it to see if its tails or heads) is heads, and tails, and every mixture of heads and tails at the same time. Only when you look at it the coin becomes one definite thing, tails or heads.
It limits enormously the amount of knowledge we can have about the universe. Only the things that are being (or were) observed (and thus measured) have defined physical proprierties, that can be calculed upon, and understood as being cause or effect of other things. So, everything that was not measured is an imprevisible variable, and thus outside the realm of scientific explanation.
After noticing this fundamental limitation of the usual physics i lost the interest in it, and become interested in other things that could give me explanations about this (physically) imprevisible things.
Also, the fact that the measurement changes the thing being measured is the clearest proof of the influence of the mind over the reality itself. Cause measurement is observation. When we look at anything, we are in a certain way measuring its properties (position, velocity, etc). So, before an observation the quantum coin was in a state (a mixture of everything), and the act of observing it changed its state to a heads (or tails) state. The state of the coin was changed because we percieved (observed) the coin. The perception is a thing done by the mind, so we can say that our mind changed the state of the coin, or in other words, changed the reality (as we could say that the state of the coin is real).
We can go further and realize that as the physical properties of any quantum particle only are defined after we measure them, we can say that our perception (measurement) creates the physical properties. As the physical properties of the objects are what define them, and most humans usually take the physical objects as being "the reality", then we can say that the reality is created by our perception, what is not a new idea at all, but was said already by ancient sages long ago... but only recently it was aknowledged by the science (even if most scientists are not aware of this aknowledgement hidden in the fundaments of the quantum mechanics.)
yep
damn I love physics
too bad I'm not stoned so I could appreciate it even more, (so deeply to the point it freaks me out!)
I watched the first 30 min of that film and stopped because of its new-age baloney
I am a firm believer in action.
2 hands working is more than 1000 clasped in prayer.
You can't sit in a locked up room and HOPE for a pizza and it will somehow magically get to you. You need to call the pizza place and order the pizza...
likewise it may seem like things come to you when you think about them but it's probably like when you notice a certain car, you start to see them everywhere
If you think about things more, of course you will act on it more. ie: you think about weed all the time, your actions come from your thoughts making weed come to you more often because of your actions not your thoughts and beliefs
I saw this movie with my wife in a bathtub...All I thought about was getting it on in the bathtub for the first 30 mins...then we got it on. I missed alot of the rest of the movie. I cant say if it worked or not but...
...a postive mind is a good thing to have. People that are positive and hard working can achieve anything they want, desire and dedication dont hurt either. This is not me, but my brother...knew what he wanted since he was little...worked like crazy and achieved his goals he had for years. Hes always been positive and goal-oriented. I more laid back and dont pucker my ass that tight.
I try to be positive all the time but face it: sometimes life sucks, ups and downs are normal get used to it until you die. Always having a stick up your ass and crying about things wont get you far...most of the time it always gets better. Some peoples lifes hurt more than others for various reasons, so I cant speak for everyone just my own personal opinion.
"The Secret" might not work for weed, but WillWork4Weed will work for weed...Quote:
Originally Posted by WillWork4Weed
never seen or read the secret, but someone mentioned it has to do loosely with quantum?
all i know about quantum is in some instances, the effects precede the causes...
that alone gives me faith that our reality is literally mind over matter...
um... continue...
I know that this negativity will only bring more negativity but this person f-ed me over so bad that i cant help but yell everytime i see someone talking about him! Bob Prector is a scamer only after money. I know this from first hand experience! know him personally. someone close to me....worked directly with him and his company. Trust me when i say this. he doesnt care about you, his employees, or anything other than money! Yes, being positive is good! but spending tons on money on something that isnt a new idea is crazy. Beleive me when i say that giving the POS money is sending it to pure evil. He doesnt care about you and our happiness! ! !
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Originally Posted by theforthdrive
Hey man, my cousin gave me the video and I thought it was complete and utter bullshit. Do you have any proof that this guy is a scam artist or any backup to his character flaws? I would like to send the link to my cousin because hes so bent on telling all our family about this nutjob that id like to have some solid info that hes a total wacko.
there is no link cause its all in my head. This is first hand knowledge from being his employee, better than internet conspiracy! is he a member of his lifesuccess programs? Add me to your friends and Ill PM some info to you.