Obamas Grandmother "Typical White Person"

In Philadelphia this morning, Barack Obama confronted the remains of the Jeremiah Wright brushfire, the smoldering embers of this anecdote of his grandmother using racial stereotypes that made him cringe... and promptly spilled gasoline on those embers.

610 WIP host Angelo Cataldi asked Obama about his Tuesday morning speech on race at the National Constitution Center in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice. Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

The grandmother reference from the speech, as you'll recall:

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother â?? a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
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Hey Obama!:S4: Kiss my "typical white" ass! And this ASSCLOWN wants to be the uniter of the country? THE PRESIDENT?? :wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

Just exactly what is a "typical white person" ? I think I am offended.

Holy shit, can you imagine McCain making the statement that Bruther Al Sharpton is just a "typical black person"........Sweet dear gezus.............

Berzerk needs to give up, he is in a pond full of gators up to his ass and they are drainin' the water.


b0nger

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Originally Posted by bongerstonerd00d

Just exactly what is a "typical white person" ? I think I am offended.

Holy shit, can you imagine McCain making the statement that Bruther Al Sharpton is just a "typical black person"........Sweet dear gezus.............

Berzerk needs to give up, he is in a pond full of gators up to his ass and they are drainin' the water.


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NO SHIT! Put the shoe on the other foot; either Clinton or McCain.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Once again no defense for this assclown? Doesn't suprise me.....

Have a good one!:s4:

this is why its hard for a black man to run for president

don't mention anything about whites- you only care about blacks

mention anything about whites- your a racist

wow hes in a real win win predicament aint he :wtf:

besides, do you really think he was trying to be racist there, honestly?

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Originally Posted by FeedmeWeed

this is why its hard for a black man to run for president

don't mention anything about whites- you only care about blacks

mention anything about whites- your a racist

wow hes in a real win win predicament aint he :wtf:

besides, do you really think he was trying to be racist there, honestly?

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Lets say Clinton or McCain took their CHILDREN to a church where the preacher talked hate against the blacks then either one made a remark like "typical black person". Completely different story right? Why?

Racist? Who REALLY knows except for his wife. Idiot? For attending that church for 20 years and taking his children there....DEFINATELY!

Have a good one!:s4:

Typical black guy, talking about typical white folks that way. Freakin' typical!

It was an unfortunate word he used, "typical," but if you read the quote, he was referring to his earlier comment about his grandmother, and he was saying that she doesn't hate blacks, but like a lot of white people, she has a reaction to them on the street that comes out the wrong way. Don't you think that is true? In my experience, a lot of white people who aren't necessarily racist still react funny when they meet blacks on the street.

I always hate it when black people jump on your exact wording when you are trying to make a point about race. How many times have you seen some poor white politician trying to make an honest effort to say something reasonable about race to a room of black people and make the mistake of saying something like, "You people."

"You people? YOU PEOPLE! How DARE you refer to us as 'YOU PEOPLE!'"

Now you guys are doing the same exact thing with Obama. Can't anyone get past this oversensitivity? This is why no one seems to be able to have a rational discussion about race. Here, I'll "sanitize" the quote for you so that it means the exact same thing but doesn't contain the offensive term "typical" that seems to have hurt your tender, delicate feelings so badly, "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is like a lot of white people. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." There. Can you deal with that? It's an absolutely 100% true statement --- a lot of white poeple react to blacks in a way that comes off wrong, even if it doesn't come from racial animosity. Try to use your brain to think about what a person is saying.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Typical black guy, talking about typical white folks that way. Freakin' typical!

It was an unfortunate word he used, "typical," but if you read the quote, he was referring to his earlier comment about his grandmother, and he was saying that she doesn't hate blacks, but like a lot of white people, she has a reaction to them on the street that comes out the wrong way. Don't you think that is true? In my experience, a lot of white people who aren't necessarily racist still react funny when they meet blacks on the street.

I always hate it when black people jump on your exact wording when you are trying to make a point about race. How many times have you seen some poor white politician trying to make an honest effort to say something reasonable about race to a room of black people and make the mistake of saying something like, "You people."

"You people? YOU PEOPLE! How DARE you refer to us as 'YOU PEOPLE!'"

Now you guys are doing the same exact thing with Obama. Can't anyone get past this oversensitivity? This is why no one seems to be able to have a rational discussion about race. Here, I'll "sanitize" the quote for you so that it means the exact same thing but doesn't contain the offensive term "typical" that seems to have hurt your tender, delicate feelings so badly, "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is like a lot of white people. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." There. Can you deal with that? It's an absolutely 100% true statement --- a lot of white poeple react to blacks in a way that comes off wrong, even if it doesn't come from racial animosity. Try to use your brain to think about what a person is saying.

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When a person, or even a friend, states something like "typical" black, white, hispanic, or asian person it's pretty evident that they have some deep rooted prejudace OR animosity. This assclown took his CHILDREN to a church where he KNEW that the preacher made anti-white statements. "The U.S. of KKK A.; the U.S. government infected black people with HIV". And now grandma is a "typical white person".....he's no better than David Duke!:mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

I think its just a phaze the country is going through. We now have reverse rascism. Where all whites are portrayed as rascists no matter what we say. Words are not the issue,behaviour is the issue. I'm guilty of using all the slang words for minorities but I try to treat everyone fairly when I first meet them.

Psyco4bud, you are blowing this waaaaay oout of context. Back in the day she was a typical white person. The majority of white people didnt trust/like blacks so it is fairly easy to see why he said it.
And I bet you money the preacher of almost all the previous presidents weve had have had many predudices against blacks yet the presidents would continue to visit that church with their children.

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

And I bet you money the preacher of almost all the previous presidents weve had have had many predudices against blacks yet the presidents would continue to visit that church with their children.

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When you can find a link that provides information regarding "Past Presidents that attended churches where the Reverend gave hate speeches".....then I'll buy into this.

Like I stated with others in here....IF this shoe were on the other foot with either McCain or Clinton, the news agencys would be calling for their immediate withdrawl from the race.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by bongerstonerd00d

Just exactly what is a "typical white person" ? I think I am offended.

Holy shit, can you imagine McCain making the statement that Bruther Al Sharpton is just a "typical black person"........Sweet dear gezus.............

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I was thinking that same exact thing when I heard the speech.
At first I was thinking I should vote ron paul,now,I am thinking maybe these Votes are rigged.
I think Jon Mccain will win, but I will vote Democrat maybe this year.
Maybe Hillary is a hopeful,I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Like I stated with others in here....IF this shoe were on the other foot with either McCain or Clinton, the news agencys would be calling for their immediate withdrawl from the race.

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You're saying that if McCain or Clinton called their grandmother a "typical white person," the news agencies would be calling for their immediate withdrawal from the race? Seems unlikely.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

I think its just a phaze the country is going through. We now have reverse rascism. Where all whites are portrayed as rascists no matter what we say. Words are not the issue,behaviour is the issue. I'm guilty of using all the slang words for minorities but I try to treat everyone fairly when I first meet them.

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This whole stupid hullabaloo is not about "reverse racism." It's not about whites being portrayed as racists no matter what they say. This is about a black guy being portrayed as racist when he tried to day something meaningful about race relations.

You are right about one thing though, "Words are not the issue,behaviour is the issue."

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

It was an unfortunate word he used, "typical," but if you read the quote, he was referring to his earlier comment about his grandmother, and he was saying that she doesn't hate blacks, but like a lot of white people, she has a reaction to them on the street that comes out the wrong way. Don't you think that is true? In my experience, a lot of white people who aren't necessarily racist still react funny when they meet blacks on the street.

I always hate it when black people jump on your exact wording when you are trying to make a point about race. How many times have you seen some poor white politician trying to make an honest effort to say something reasonable about race to a room of black people and make the mistake of saying something like, "You people."

"You people? YOU PEOPLE! How DARE you refer to us as 'YOU PEOPLE!'"

Now you guys are doing the same exact thing with Obama. Can't anyone get past this oversensitivity? This is why no one seems to be able to have a rational discussion about race. Here, I'll "sanitize" the quote for you so that it means the exact same thing but doesn't contain the offensive term "typical" that seems to have hurt your tender, delicate feelings so badly, "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is like a lot of white people. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." There. Can you deal with that? It's an absolutely 100% true statement --- a lot of white poeple react to blacks in a way that comes off wrong, even if it doesn't come from racial animosity. Try to use your brain to think about what a person is saying.

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You, Sir are very correct. You must be another one who sees. :wtf::cool:

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

You're saying that if McCain or Clinton called their grandmother a "typical white person," the news agencies would be calling for their immediate withdrawal from the race? Seems unlikely.

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I think he meant if Clinton or McCain called anyone a "typical black person", the media would give them a very hard time about it... possibly to the point of demanding that they withdraw from the race.

Obama deserves no special treatment because of his race. Even though Rev. Wright and Al Sharpton would be quick to claim otherwise, he's not anything special just because he's black. Nobody is special just because they're black, or white, or Asian, or Hispanic, or whatever. What makes the person is what's inside their heart and their deeds/actions, not the color of their skin. It amazes me that certain groups still wish to see their race get preferential treatment, just because of atrocities committed many years ago. They feel like society owes them something. Society owes them nothing, until they've done something to deserve preferential treatment. This goes for every race and nationality in this country. The day civil rights dictates who's 'entitled' to become our President is the day that I move to Holland. But I don't think I'll ever have to worry about that.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

When a person, or even a friend, states something like "typical" black, white, hispanic, or asian person it's pretty evident that they have some deep rooted prejudace OR animosity. This assclown took his CHILDREN to a church where he KNEW that the preacher made anti-white statements. "The U.S. of KKK A.; the U.S. government infected black people with HIV". And now grandma is a "typical white person".....he's no better than David Duke!:mad:

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Or, they could be completely past all this racist shit. What he said was exactly "Wright" :D, as i can attest to my white grandmother who is afraid to go to walmart @ night because she thinks you will be robbed by blacks lol.

The only way to get past race is not to give such attention when someone says white, black, brown etc...

I can't see J.F.K. going to church, and listening to a priest who denounces blacks. That must be why he was the only Catholic president. Typical America.

Bite onto phrases much? Never meant something but said something else? Thought so.

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Bite onto phrases much? Never meant something but said something else? Thought so.

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Sure have, but I aint runnin for President either.



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What is amazing to me about this Much Ado About Nothing is that there is this focus on the word "typical" without any attempt at understanding of what the message was.

It was a very interesting point Obama was making, and obviously a risky and brave move considering the amount of bile it seems to have stirred up on these boards (although I haven't heard about it anywhere else, so maybe it's only canncom members with the tender, sensitive, delicate, easily bruised feelings.)

His point was that he did NOT think his grandmother was a racist in the sense of harboring racial animosity. But she did have her fearful reactions to black people that come off the wrong way, and in private company she sometimes spoke about blacks in derrogatory ways. But she also raised and loved a black grandson. So it is an illustration of the complexity of how people deal with race in the US. And it is even more complex for the generations of people who lived through Jim Crow and segregation and Civil Rights, like his grandmother and reverend Wright.

For those generations, I would say this kind of race conciousness, even if it is not out of true racism, is "typical." Does anyone have a different experience with their own grandparents? I know that my own grandparents definitely used derogatory terms to describe people of other races. They weren't Klan members, and they didn't have problems with being in the same elevator or working at the same job with people of different races, but they'd use the insulting terms when they weren't in mixed company.

Each generation, it seems like the problem abates a bit, but it is still there, isn't it? It diminished during my parents' generation, and diminished even more in mine, but there is still some kind of racial "awareness" and caution, even among people who find racism abhorent. I find racism abhorent, but I know I have my own gut reactions to people of different races too.

I may be ruining my chances of a future political career here (Ha!), but I'd say the "typical white person" is cautious of black poeple, even if they don't harbor any animosity toward blacks. When they see a black person they are instantly aware the person is of another race, and they wonder how this person will react to them, based on race. It's not the same reaction they get when they see another white person. I'd say the "typical black person" has a similar reaction to whites.

How many times have you seen a politicain brave this kind of subject? It's complicated and sensitive, and it's going to be hard to discuss it if everyone tries to oversimplify it by jumping on words like "typical" as though it is a racist insult. If you think "typical" is racist, what do you think of what your granny used to call blacks and hispanics?

And to the poeple who keep bringing up the idea that it is wrong for a group of people to expect special treatment, especially to those who think it is wrong for blacks to expect special consideration when getting a job or applying to school, you should listen to Obama's speech on race. He acknowledged white resentment about these kinds of preferential treatments. How many times have you seen a black politician willing to go to that issue? Maybe before forming your own reactionary opinions about what a "typical" black politician must think about race, maybe try to listen to what Obama is actually SAYING about race. It's not the same old "typical" crap.

Ya know dragonrider.....you can candy coat a terd but when ya break it open it still smells like shit.

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He took his children to a church where he openly admits that the preacher talked hate during the service.

IF this was McCain or Clinton stating, "Typical black/mexican/ or asian person", they would be in serious shit and thier candidacy would probably be over and done.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Ya know dragonrider.....you can candy coat a terd but when ya break it open it still smells like shit.

FACT:
He took his children to a church where he openly admits that the preacher talked hate during the service.

IF this was McCain or Clinton stating, "Typical black/mexican/ or asian person", they would be in serious shit and thier candidacy would probably be over and done.

Have a good one!:s4:

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If McCain or Clinton's grandmother was Black, Mexican or Asian, and they were having this same conversation about race, and they described their grandmother as "a typical Black/Mexican/or Asian" in how they react to toher races, they probably would not have as much trouble as you are saying. But their grandmothers are white like Obama's, so it's probably OK for them to describe them as "typical white people."

I don't think Obama was making a racist statement about his own grandmother or about "typical white people."

And what? You don't like candy-coated turds? You can't come to these boards without tasting at least one candy-coated turd per visit!

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

If McCain or Clinton's grandmother was Black, Mexican or Asian, and they were having this same conversation about race, and they described their grandmother as "a typical Black/Mexican/or Asian" in how they react to toher races, they probably would not have as much trouble as you are saying.

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Her biggest apology came in response to a question about comments by her husband, Bill Clinton, after the South Carolina primary, which Obama won handily. Bill Clinton said Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina when he ran for president in 1984 and 1988, a comment many viewed as belittling Obama's success.

"I want to put that in context. You know I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive," Hillary Clinton said. "We can be proud of both Jesse Jackson and Senator Obama."
Clinton Apologizes to Black Voters

And your stating that if Clinton or McCain were to make a "typical" reference to other colors that it would be no big deal? Does Obama need a pillow by chance? LMAO

Have a good one!:s4:

"Kiss my 'typical white' ass!" "And this ASSCLOWN...."

that is all cool, and my apologizing to dragon about ignorance is offensive.

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It was a very interesting point Obama was making, and obviously a risky and brave move

His point was that he did NOT think his grandmother was a racist in the sense of harboring racial animosity

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animosity- 1. "a feeling of ill will arousing active hostility"

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good post dragonrider...

to say that fear of black people is a characteristic of "typical white" people, is racist, no matter who says it.

idk, maybe things are different up here