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dude I mean I agree that the media talks a lot about usual shit but nevertheless America still discusses real World situations....we just don't give a shit about these isssues.
Stop wasting peoples time with your bullshit.. part of me really wants to go on and on ranting and raving about how unbelievably naive you are if you believe this junk propaganda.and the other half realizes my words will fall on predominatley deaf(stoned) ears, so I will only give you a half Rant!.... The PATRIOT act.... guess what I'm not a terrorist so I'm not worried about being detained without a lawyer or having my phone tapped without a warrant because the fact of the matter is that if you are not out to "terrorize" America, most likely you wont be bothered....and can you provide proof that over half of the warrants served were not terror related???? i honestly doubt it..............and I'm not sure where you live but in Colorado we heard all about the Pakistani constitution being suspended, and yes we (America) have given tremendous amounts of $$$$(aid) to Pakistan over the years, and in my opinion we need all the help we can get in fighting a global war on terror, so we should do all that we can to aid Pakistan in the future... :stoned:
Idg420 so your not a terrorist so u dont have to worry about being arrested but what happens down the road?Say their is no more terrorists whats next?The government can say your a terrorist for joining this website because weed is illegal and your a subversive bent on twisting other peoples point of views.The founding fathers of your country knew what too much power does to those in charge .
first of all I don't think there will ever be a day where there are no more terrorists, there will always be those who "terrorize" people. It is just a fact of life. Call me crazy but, I see no connection between Terrorism and Cannabis.com and I honestly believe that the government feels the same way. So I'm not at all worried about the PATRIOT act violating my rights. And I agree that the founding fathers of America knew what too much power can do to those in charge, that's exactly why we chose to declare independence and secure our rights as citizens in our pursuit of happiness. And I believe that those same founding fathers would take whatever means necessary to defend/protect those freedoms/rights...........:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
I am so sick and tired of this Patriot Act. It is disturbing to know the C.I.A. is listening in on my phone conversation when I am ordering pizza and wings. Dammit!:D
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yeah I'd have to agree with Idg420 on this one. Up to this very day I don't think anyone can prove the power of the patriot act was misused to bust someone for a petty marjiuana charge or for something stupid like that....now its possible that big time drug dealers got screwed over or Ted Bundy wannabe's did but for normal people it really shouldn't concern us. I think the idea that the government has this power makes people leery of the idea that it could be misused against us which is possible but as of right now I don't fear it because it really hasn't been misused. If anything I feel banning guns is more of a threat to society because consider this.....if the patriot act is misused then how are citizens going to defend themselves from such a heinous crime?
well i hope u guys are right i just dont like it when any government has too much power and they can do as they want without warrents.Maybe it wont be misused but do u really think it wont,maybe not today but in the future.If youve ever read the book 1984 then youll know where im coming from.I just dont believe that it wont be misused one day.
You're right it is very well possible that in the distant future these laws can be misused. And when the government pushes its people hard enough we should fight back, that is unless these stupid PC people abolish the use of guns. Also if the people themselves are up to a revolution....but in a soft society such as today I have little faith in such actions.....but hey the revolutionary war was only supported by 25 percent of the colonists. Most people were simply content as long as they kept out of their lives.
The patriot act sucks my balls!! Sorry guys, but if you look into any anti drug propaganda youll notice how much of the funding for street drugs ends up in 'terrorists' hands. This is by their logic: if you buy an ounce, you are funding people who do not believe and will actively destroy american laws and regulations. And thats people inside the us. Therefor, if you use drugs, you're a terroist, or at least by association.
I have no idea why i started to reply to this thread, other than to say the patriot act is bs, and it does push the limits to far. Sure, you cant say that it concretely hasnt been abused, but can you say for certain its been incredibly useful either? Do the benefits outweigh the costs? Hell no.
Oh really? So answer this....when was the last time the U.S has had a terrorist attack. And school shootings don't count because by technicality thats not a terrorist attack thats just some crazy kid depressed and pissed at society. A terrorist is one who invokes terror in society in order to achieve some sort of political victory. The last terrorist attack I can recall is 9/11. You can't possibly say that there are not any terrorist cell groups forming or are already formed in America. They're in Europe so how can we be any different....and don't say because we have two oceans surrounding us from the rest of the World. This is the 21st century. We have shit for boarders where illegal aliens are comming in by the dozens. What would stop a radical terrorist from entering this country. On top of that what makes you think that all American's love the "Westernized" country that they live in? A few months ago they arrested this AMERICAN black dude for almost carrying out a planned terrorist attack at a mall in the middle of nowhere. I'm not saying lets have another red scare and not trust our neighbors but at least let the government handle things. I mean I don't particularly believe that the government are a bunch of saints either but Jesus, its not like they're going to turn this country into a totalitarian society....at least not this generation of politics. Honestly people who rant on about the U.S government having sole responsibility in 9/11 or that the government is misusing the patriot act is just like those stupid people who posts all those police brutality videos and without even questioning the situation take the criminals side and not even consider what the cops motive was. Don't get me wrong we have corrupt cops just as much as we have corrupt politicians, employers, employees and so on but not all cops are bad.....lol sorry for the rant guys. Too much coffee.
I think that the terrorism threat is overblown in the first place used by the government to justify illegal wars and the stripping of the rights of its population.Yes 9/11 was huge but since then their has been many warnings of terrorists planning on attacking bridges power companies and other targets but i feel thats just to keep the population scared.If youve ever noticed most of the warnings of a terrorist attack was just before the 04 elections but since then nothing really.
Everybody has a right to their opinion.....I'm just glad that the people in charge of our national security don't feel this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
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Really well how come 99% of the people charged with terrorism related charges are let off.
99% really? any proof????? or just another absurd post...........:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
According to Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), Chairwoman of the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Terrorism Risk Assessment, the Bush administration knowingly used bogus intelligence to make lawmakers believe there was the chance of an imminent attack on the U.S. Capitol, thus frightening them into passing the temporary expansion of his powers to spy on Americans under the FISA act.
so if terrorism is rampant why use bogus intelligence...............
Rep. Jane Harman (D-California)
Jane Harman is under investigation by the Justice Department for allegedly (with the help of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) enlisting wealthy donors to lobby then-House Minority Leader (and current House Speaker) Nancy Pelosi to retain her position as the head Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. The investigation into the alleged campaign to support Harman for the leadership post began in mid-2006 after media reports said that Pelosi might name Rep. Alcee Hastings to succeed Harman. In addition to investigating alleged calls made at Harmanā??s behest by wealthy Democratic Party contributors to Pelosi, the probe is also looking into whether, in exchange for help from AIPAC, Harman agreed to try to persuade the Bush Administration to go easy on AIPAC officials involved in a broader investigation. Both Harman and AIPAC have denied the allegations. Harman won reelection in November 2006, but was not chosen by Pelosi to head the Intelligence Committee.
Category:Members of Congress under investigation - Congresspedia
Now do you have a credible source?
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Fear of Terrorism Overblown?
By John Stossel
Politicians and security analysts constantly remind us that a terrorist attack is just a matter of time. Clark Kent Ervin, former inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security and author of "Open Target: Where America is Vulnerable to Attack," says we must have tougher security at stadiums, shopping malls, and even schools. "We can have deterrence measures like police patrols ... greater use of bomb-detecting dogs, and bomb sensors, other such technologies ... random bag searches," he told me. "If terrorists see that such measures are in place, they're less likely to strike."
This seemed illogical to me, and so I was delighted to discover the book "Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them." Its author, Ohio State political science professor John Mueller, points out the folly of arming shopping-mall guards: "A terrorist would say, well, if that mall has guards around it, I'll go to the one that doesn't. ... If you protect one thing and you simply displace the terrorist to a different threat ... it's an exercise in futility."
Mueller also says the threat to the average American is overblown. "Your chances of being killed, at present rates, by an international terrorist outside of a war zone is something like 1 in 80,000," he says. "It's about the same as being killed by an asteroid."
But on Sept. 11, almost 3,000 people died! Mueller replies that 9/11 was not a typical terrorist attack. Terrorists were able to capture four planes, and two huge buildings collapsed. "It's a spectacular exception to what terrorists have been able to do," he said. Sure enough, since 9/11, the biggest terrorist successes have been the bombings of commuter trains in Madrid and a nightclub in Bali. The death toll from each attack was about 200 people. "Outside of war zones, the amount of destruction is maybe 200 people a year," says Mueller. "That's 200 people too many, but that's hardly an existential threat. In the United States, between 300 and 400 people die every year just from drowning in bathtubs."
He says there's a terrorism industry -- I call it the "Fear Industrial Complex" -- made up of the media, the bureaucracy, business, and politicians. "Politicians notice that when they hype the terrorist threat, people respond favorably," Mueller says.
Then the bureaucracy hypes terrorism to justify its pork.
"Terror porn" is what economist Veronique de Rugy calls it. Why "porn"? "Because porn sells, [and] terrorism sells even better," she says. "It's great for politicians. They can campaign on the fact that they are protecting us. They also can campaign on the fact that they're bringing more money to their states."
Lots of small towns do get absurd grants for homeland security. Lake County, Tenn., a rural county with only 8,000 people, got nearly $200,000 in homeland-security money.
"I don't know that terrorists will come, but I don't know they won't come," Lake County Mayor Macie Roberson told us, smiling.
At least he didn't do what Columbus, Ohio did: spend it on bulletproof vests for police dogs.
Ervin concedes that some security money is wasted, but still says we need to spend more. "It's very important to reassure the American people that our government is doing everything it can to protect them," he told me. "If we do that, we will have succeeded in denying terrorists a major victory."
No. The opposite is true. It's overreacting that would give them a victory.
Of course, terrorism is a real threat. But fear kills people, too. A University of Michigan study found that an additional 1,000 Americans died in car accidents in the three months after Sept. 11, because they were afraid to fly. We need to keep risk in perspective.
"We have had dark moments in our history, far darker moments than those we face today," says The Rand Corporation's Brian Michael Jenkins. After studying terrorism for 40 years, he likes to remind people, "We've come through wars, plagues, pandemics ... The response to terrorism cannot be diving under the kitchen table and living in a state of fear. That's exactly what the terrorists are attempting to create."
So are you going to say John Mueller is just another left wing nutjob
I saw him on Hannity & Colmes one night....nice to see you recognize nutjobs.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
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So everyone who is in favor of this illegal war and torture is ok but everyone else who opposes the war and torture and illegal wire tapping is a left wing nutjob.
how can a war be deemed illegal when legal steps were taken to go to war????? how is wire tapping that has been made legal by the PATRIOT act illegal????? and yes torturing a terror suspect is okay with me if it means saving AMERICAN lives! thats what the bottom line is....in my opinion of course........:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
Legal steps were taken to go to war.Are u kidding your government lied to u just so that they can invade Iraq.Iraq wasnt a threat to u guys where are the WMDs.
well actually we have discovered WMD's. You see its a common misconception that people generally think that a WMD is a nuclear bomb and in fact a WMD is a wide range of weapons. It just so happens that Suddam really did have chemical weapons...in which he used to exterminate many of the Shiit Muslims. Though I don't agree in the fact that we should have gone to war and that it was more than likely for oil and that it was ilicitly issued, the bottom line is I don't think the government flat out lied to us but rather used the excuse that because Suddam was a terrible person we should be justified in entering his country. However, you are right in saying in saying that Iraq was not a threat to us but once again it is not that the government flat out lied but rather skewed the truth which many slimy politicians do to get their way. The statement you just said sounded like a Ron Paul fanatic who thinks the government is planning an attack on the people in order to create a totalitarian government. Oh and also answer this.....Have these torture techniques and Patriot Act laws affected you in any negative way? Because I know they haven't for me or anyone else I've ever come across.
Dream no they havent affected me but they do affect alot of people which saddens me.Their was a Canadian called Mahar Arar who was renditioned to Syria and tortured for 8 months and it was found out later that he wasnt a terrorist,so it does affect people.
Amen
That is harsh but it is the reality that profiling will always happen everyday. its like seeing a person in a trenchcoat and automatically assume they have a gun and are dangerous when the person may just be cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
WOW, just wow, I cannot believe that on a forum for MARIJUANA, (which just in case you forgot, the government wants you to believe it kills you, funds terrorism, and they will not hesitate to throw you in a jail cell for a longggg time just for having it) that you guys are actually defending the patriot act.
seriously, how old are you kids? 14? 15?
For the last thousand years, human beings have fought for, and sacrificed their own lives and happiness to increase peoples rights and freedoms. and now, after one tragic incidence, we are willing to give up our rights for a little bit of "safety"?
I could not find the article, but just a few years back, the DEA used the patriot act to use wire tappings (which would have been illegal but not anymore) to bust an underground tunnel which was used to smuggle drugs through- so YES, infact the government DOES abuse its powers to bust other people besides terrorists.
if you think this lame excuse of a bill called the "patriot act" is actually in place to "fight the evil terrorists!!!" - you are sadly mistaken
FEEDMEWEED Right on brother at least someone out there can see the big picture the government will abuse its power at ever turn just to enforce whatever laws they see fit.
20 huh? 45 here.....People from both sides of the aisle toke or didn't you realize that in your old age? Me and my grow are just fine while the Patriot act is taking down the assclowns. Unless your getting your weed from Pakistan, don't worry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FeedmeWeed
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