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A little help please(first time)
Hey everyone my first post my first grow...anyway I used to think oh I don't need any help growing ill just readup on it and be fine wellllll damned to be wrong. I have a problem with my growing what im using [Some walmart soil the PH was good had all the nutrients for first 3months---An aquariam florescent lighting and regular water that I let sit out in room temp. open container for 3days]. My plants when I first started sprouted quick 3inches in a week but now as time goes by they are slowly growing if not at all some of the lower leaves have become wilted and dieing(is that normal?) and what pesticide would be a great choice and not be to strong to nuke the plant with the taste of pesticide if you need pictures I can take some for a visual reflection any comments or thoughts would be most grateful and thanks in advance.
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A little help please(first time)
ok first there is going to be a lot of information we need.
what kind of light are you using. you say your using florescents what are the watts and the luminessents?
when plants start off they dont really need all that much nutes in fact starting off with none is best. the lower leaves will die off from my experience but thats just the round little ones at the bottom. as for pesticides do you know for sure that there is anything on them? i mean why poison anything if there isn't a need.
how often are you watering, do you have it in an enclosed areas? what is your air flow like? how many plants are we talking about here?
got a picture of the plant/grow room?
Im interested to see what exactly is going on here. sounds a lot like my first grow.
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A little help please(first time)
My grow room is in my closet, for now im using a 15w fluorescent industrial light and its 2 plants the seeds I got out of a bag I had of some green stuff my guy said they were all female(not sure to early to tell) but I don't have constant air flow I open my closet most of the day and get a fan running in there and for the pesticide theres a bunch of bugs at the bottom in the soil(kinda looks like nats) I water about 2 liters every other day I have no clue of the luminessants the light puts off(didn't keep the box) and for the pictures ill take some and upload them in my next post.
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A little help please(first time)
i wonder if you mean the plants are droopy, as in overwatering....the gnats , 2liters of water every other day for seedlings....thats alot.
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only one is a seedling one of them is about 5inches-6inches havn't measured yet the other one I planted late(it germinated late) and its a little behind only 1inch maybe 2inches and I barely give that one water and its really green and working good my problem is the 6incher the leaves became wilted at the bottom the tops were getting wilted but it seems now its reversing them and whats with the gnats???? is that normal?
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A little help please(first time)
You need about .....couple hundred more watts first of all. You REALLY need to read up on your lighting.....15w/aquarium light isn't going to work.
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A little help please(first time)
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-progress.html
This is an EXCELLENT thread to go by......read, read, read.
Good luck.
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A little help please(first time)
Alright well I planned on buying a 6-pack of CFL's think has a total of 830lumens would that be good for lighting and any other useful tips would be nice like right now I got it them both growing in a 5gallon white plastic bucket I just put a little more watts in there until I can gather all my stuff and im using this weird soil that has pieces of wood in it is there anything bad about that?
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A little help please(first time)
I can't help you with soil I'm afraid.....I grow in hydro. For your white buckets you need to cover the white so no light gets through to your roots. For the bugs you need to get a good bug spray (I like "Don't Bug Me" by Foxfarms). The more problems you have going (and it sounds like you have several) the more stress you put on your plants. You have some good intentions but what you really need is good knowledge....you just can't raise these plants without the right light, soil, food, ph, etc...no matter how much you try.
Study up.
good luck. :)
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Yeah im reading just about every grow log on this forum seeing others problems and peoples posts to fix them but about the bugs when I do spray do I wanna spray my plant or the soil because ive gotten a scope and checked the plants out they seem to be fine its just like hundreds of these gnats congregating in my soil:wtf:
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A little help please(first time)
Unfortunately I don't have the soil problem (with the bugs) but the spray I use I use on the plant itself. Hopefully someone around here that grows in soil can answer your question about that one.
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A little help please(first time)
I have changed alot in my grow room I now have over 150watts going until I get those 6-pack of CFL's heh tbh I first started my plants out growing hydro but it was to difficult then somehow someway early on one of them "seperated" from the roots or some weird crap anyway I cut it replanted it a few days it came back to life(shes lagging a little behind the problem maker) but I mean shes growing good and fine the problem maker is doing exactly its name causing many problems im just starting to figure ill actually just do a little experimenting for future intelligence and get a couple packs of seeds later down the road:) bright side is I payed nothing for these --- Cons: It was a damn good batch of green 1hit and your buzzed. So im hoping to still pull them through and I probably won't giveup unless they magically fall over and die. I'll post some pictures later for a visual reference I seem to be having troubles loading them on my computer.
EDIT: Where could I find a good PH moniter for cheap??
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A little help please(first time)
First off I think you are way over watering let them dry out Knats need a water source and that is currently the top of your soil, I suggest finding an organic pestaside like fox farm and lightly spray the top of your soil creating a barrier between moist soil and the knats. Spray the plants as well, then do not water again untill the bucket feels light.
As for your soil with wood in it that is ok just keep an eye on your ph it has a tendancy to rise as the wood breaks down.
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So how long you think I should let my plants go unwatered???
EDIT: Nevermind misread last post.
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A little help please(first time)
I think I have the facts right.
2 liters of water every other day.
2 plants in 1 - 5 gallon buckets.
No nutes used yet.
Plants around 6'' tall.
No LST or topping during grow.
Knat infestation.
To answer your question your soil is probably saturated currently. Lift the bucket and note the weight. When the bucket weighs 50% less it is time to water. This will be close to 7 days judging by your plant size.
The slow growth is due to low light, you have solved that with 6 cfls :)
Your plants are stressed so hold off on nutes till you get them growing and healthy again.
When you get them growing again consider performing LST. read up on it in the FAQ section you have a little time before starting it.
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A little help please(first time)
Will do thanks for the input everyone ;)
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A little help please(first time)
Can't find anything in the FAQ about LST growing :wtf: maybe im just way tired from staying up all night trying to figure all this out there a forum thread or something I can look at?
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A little help please(first time)
try "Low Stress Training"
Try looking in the Advanced growing techniques sub folder in basic growing forum for a thread.
You have about a week or more before starting it.
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My "problem maker" has 3 nodes should I still start it in a week or wait a little?
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Yes get them healty first no stress what so ever for a week.
You just need to spray them lightly with an organic pesticide and just watch them grow for a week that's it, unless things get worse, then post immeadiatly with the symptoms.
Keep updating, your plants may respond quickly to the new lighting. :)
Pictures will definatly help.
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Well ill be trying to get those up for now im gonna take a nap and when I wake ill post any changes to the grow. chau;)
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A little help please(first time)
The leaves of my plant are curling and some developing yellow spots obvious its eating itself for nutrients so what should I do with no watering?
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A little help please(first time)
I am doubtful of that sounds more like overwatering,
To be honest I can not tell without pics. I can just go by the facts that you have given me. and everything is pointing to over watering.
You can try to foiler feed but this is beyond my expertise to advise this.
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A little help please(first time)
one of the things that i ran into by accident was that the CFL were 2700k when for growth they should be more around 6500k. the cheap ones are usually the 2700k ones. just wondering if that might be an issue for you later on. I put those babies in my grow room i have about 7 6500k CFL my plants are loving them.
over watering can be an issue and well it takes a while to get used to what the proper amount of water is.
one thing that has helped me is to learn what the weight of the pot feels like when it is soaked vs dry and then depending on the weight i can determine if they need a watering or not.
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A little help please(first time)
my CFLs are 6500k I already made sure of that you say you have 7 how many plants do you have growing in your room?
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A little help please(first time)
Alright heres some screens I finally got uploaded(their not to good but if you look close you can see the discoloration).
ALL FEEDBACK way APPRECIATED! negative or otherwords slamming me(don't care)
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A little help please(first time)
Not to bad.... how far away are your lights from your plants?
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A little help please(first time)
Got them 4inches away from the plants.
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Oh yeah and ive heard people spraying their plants with spray bottles does that help anything at all or just another grow myth?
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A little help please(first time)
ok. you can put those lights closer. i usually keep mine about an inch away. my lights arnt that hot and i have fans on them so no problems. they don't look that over watered like everyone has been speculating. Maybe a little stretched.
They look pretty good.
don't spray your plants with water. this creates a maginifine glass affect *so im told* and will leave you with burn spots. the roots are the only thing that need the water.
to answer your question i have 3 plants under 7 26watt cfl.
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A little help please(first time)
i hope your planning on giving each plant its own pot too... it looks like you have it set up that way for now but don't transplant together.
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yeah im working on a new pot for that plant in the shot glass and im also working on covering up the white of the bucket my next bucket is going to be darker to let less light in for the upcoming one once its roots get good in the soil so would my 6 CFLs 15watters be good for 2 plants or should I get 12 CFLs or just go with a higher wattage?
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A little help please(first time)
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Originally Posted by Acezx
ALL FEEDBACK way APPRECIATED! negative or otherwords slamming me(don't care)
Hope ya meant that....
Ok, coupla things-
- Yer overwatering. This is why you have fungus gnats, and the primary cause of your other problems.
- You don't need a pesticide. You need to let yer soil dry out.
- Yer " guy" has no way of knowing what the gender of those seedlings is.
- Yer still way short on light.
- You need to get air moving around the plants, which is not going to happen in a 1/2 full five gallon bucket.
-You didn't mention putting drainage holes in that five. You'll need some on the bottom and some on the sides ( the ring at the bottom of a five gallon bucket will prevent water from escaping from under the bucket).
- Yer soil is crap, and contains chemical nutrients ( prob osmocote, if ya got it at mal-wart). Not an appropriate seed starting media.
- Yer lighting is crap.
- Yer loving these plants to death. Let em do their thing.
Listen, do me and yer plants a favor and read at least the sticky threads in the Basic and Indoor growing forums. You'll learn a lot, and they'll benefit by being left alone ( and UNWATERED!) for at least a little while.
Then go out and buy some decent soil, a bunch more light, a pH test kit, some real pots, at least a small fan, some mylar, and a bicycle.
The bicycle is to get you out of the house- if you stand there and watch yer plants grow, yer going to over-react and do things like water too much. If you feel like you need to run and check yer plants everytime you sleep for a couple of hours, neither they nor you are going to do very well.
Stinky's got a really good thread over in Basic ( fourth sticky down, I'm too lazy to link) that will tell you exactly how to do all of this. Read, re-read, then do what she says. I promise you that if you do what she says, your plants will thrive.
But really, guy, I'm having a hard time finding anything that you're doing right. You might just want to let this batch go while you get yourself schooled.
I know that this seems like a lot of work and a lot of money, but as a wise old grower used to say...
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If you go cheap you grow cheap.
Best of luck!
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A little help please(first time)
For one
- I've cut back on watering for the past 3weeks now
For two
- Never planned on using a pesticide just for emergency purposes
For three
- I have air flow going through the bucket seems to be fine to me
For four
- My "guy" who buys direct from a plantation told him all were feminized plants and the "dark" seeds are feminine im not sure about this BUT really don't care to much cause I read you can change the sex
and five
- I'm still waiting on my lighting to come in first priority mail as I have said before
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- My soil does not contain any of that chemical crap cause before I did my planting I did do my homework and picked a good soil, seems to be working for me so far
and seven
- As ive said before READ my other posts I have read and re-read every single forum thread in the indoor growing section to find problems I might encounter and other things to help me along the way
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- It's to late to uproot even if I wanted to change soil all my friends who have planted and even reading on here ive heard the change could kill your plant
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- I don't watch my plants at all infact I barely watch them cause I forget that their in my closet and about needing to check them every few hours I believe every plant grower takes a peek at their plants every few hours (especially when its growing right next to them) I understand it takes time and im being patient but for almost 3months now their not at the point looking at alot of soil grow logs they should be at
and about that quote the case in the FAQ is you don't want to spend a shitload of money on your first grows and im not im still in my learning period this is my first grow if you buy a dodge viper and don't know how to drive but still drive it your gonna fuck it all up and thats a waste of money, point made.
and on the pH test kit I would buy one if I knew where to go and ive never heard anything bad about 5gallon buckets nor where the soil HAS to be as the plant gets taller ill add the soil if you can find a thread in this forum that I havn't looked at in this section about 5gallon buckets being a bad choice then please direct me to it.
EDIT: If your going to post and just tell me all the things im doing wrong thats not gonna help, K? and drilling holes at the bottom of my bucket thats even if I put enough water in there for it to drain.
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A little help please(first time)
Listen, kid-
If ya still have fungus gnats, yer still over-watering. You can check this on any gardening site on the net.
You were asking about pesticides seven hours ago.
You don't have proper air-flow in that bucket. Ya don't have to believe me- yer plant will prove my point when it dies.
Yer "guy" was fed a line of bullshit by a drug dealer, and passed it onto you. Fem seed is a one off- seed produced by plants grown from fem seed have perfectcly normal gender expression ratios, even when it's done right, by reputable breeders.
90 watts of CFL is still crap. Even 120 will still be crap.
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Originally Posted by Acezx
[Some walmart soil the PH was good had all the nutrients for first 3months---.
Yer the one who said you were using soil with 90 days worth of nutrients in it, that you bought from Wal-Mart. If it's working why isn't anything growing?
What ya shoulda got @ WalMart is a pH test kit ( pet dept, aquarium aisle).
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im gonna take a nap and when I wake ill post any changes to the grow. chau;)
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needing to check them every few hours I believe every plant grower takes a peek at their plants every few hours
Um, ya don't need to check them every few hours. Yer over-loving them to death. But that's evident from yer reading, right?
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Originally Posted by Acezx
and about that quote the case in the FAQ is you don't want to spend a shitload of money on your first grows and im not im still in my learning period this is my first grow if you buy a dodge viper and don't know how to drive but still drive it your gonna fuck it all up and thats a waste of money, point made.
... But you don't want to learn how to drive on a Big Wheel, either. And you definately don't want a moped on the I-5.
Yer making a point, but I don't think you realize who's.
I would think that the problems with five gallon buckets would be obvious to anyone who's ever filled one with water. Hint- it stays there.
Listen, kid- yer the one who asked for
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Originally Posted by Acezx
ALL FEEDBACK way APPRECIATED! negative or otherwords slamming me(don't care)
but clearly that's not what you actually want.
I don't have any skin in this game- not my problem if yer plants live or die. You wanted to know what you were doing wrong and I told ya. Do whatever you want.
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I understand the fungus gnats but if you READ posts you would see that people have already told me that and to stop watering. I was asking about pesticides seven hours ago for "emergency purposes" as I said incase it gets to bad and my plant starts to die I used that soil because I read on this sites FAQ you wanted that iwth 3months of nutes so you don't have to worry about it. And since you can read I posted that seven hours ago you can also findout how long my "NAP" was from my last post to my next one wasn't a few hours and 7 x 26watts is what sticky uses with 3 plants thats only 182 watts in which I will have that much wattage as soon as I get my lights from UPS and last but not least.
and I will only say this once im not a "kid" and im no ones kid you wanna be an ass to me I can be one right back I asked for information not telling me im doing things wrong...no shit im doing things wrong my plants aren't growing which is why I started posting here so "kid" acknowledge what ive said in my previous post as to why im here.
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As for future reference anyone that wants to help go ahead and slam me I don't care about that what I care about is don't make your post pointless by just telling me im doing things wrong..this I know tell me what to do right also. My apoligies rhizome theres nothing against you but thats what your missing from your post. In a week ill post more pictures as to how their doing and if my soil is "crap" what soil do you prefer?
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Why don't you just change your soil to a 20-20-20nutient base and make a couple more drainage holes ... your fine with the lights for now by adding4-5 nore you can finish your veg... you have 6500k ones right? If you add 4-5 more and switch to 12/12 the bulbs need to be 2500k. I just say change that soil and move yu lights closer.... and don't water as much.
Oh and just ignore the grumpy ass hole that needs not to put n his 2 cents lmao.
You just have a little learning to do, nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by Acezx
and I will only say this once im not a "kid" and im no ones kid you wanna be an ass to me I can be one right back I asked for information not telling me im doing things wrong...no shit im doing things wrong.
Misdirected anger is sooo funny to watch. Not too many people will straight-out tell you what you need to do. Usually, they will point you in the right direction, and let you do the leg-work.
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Originally Posted by Acezx
My apoligies rhizome theres nothing against you but thats what your missing from your post. In a week ill post more pictures as to how their doing and if my soil is "crap" what soil do you prefer?
Bad idea to argue with someone that is obviously better armed for sucess than you. As for the information that you claim is "missing" from Rhizome's post, he has pointed you in a few directions that you needed to go. Or would you just prefer he come and grow it for you, lol? At some point, you will have to invest loads of time researching this subject.
Yes your soil looks like 'forrest leaf-litter' shit. Big pieces of bark and wood are a breeding ground for bugs. Is there any perlite in it?
If you really can't find a quality soil, make your own. There are soil recipes all over the place. Just do a search.
However...the soil is only one of many problems you are about to encounter. Please, re-read Rhizome's post, and read-up on the things he mentioned.