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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Asked about Republican rival Mike Huckabee's Christmas-themed ad, which we wrote about yesterday and has attracted attention in part because of the image of a cross that many see hovering over Huckabee's shoulder, GOP presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul said this morning on FOX & Friends that:
"It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.' Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly. So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that." (Fox has put video from some of the interview here. To see Paul talking about the Huckabee ad, though, you need to check this clip at YouTube.)
Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross' - On Politics - USATODAY.com
In order to get the Republican nomination he'll still have to appeal to the religious sector of the party.......comments like this is nothing but detrimental to his cause. I saw this on FOX this morning and was a bit suprised....they started off by congradulating him on the "Tea Party".
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
I agree P4B. He'll need that vote. Paul also said this about Faith (in reference to Mitt's speech):
"We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for American values and traditions before they are washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. I have never been one who is particularly comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena, and I find the pandering that typically occurs in the election season to be distasteful.
Our nation was founded to be a place where religion is freely practiced and differences are tolerated and respected. I come to my faith through Jesus Christ and have accepted him as my personal savior. At the same time, I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore individual rights and religious freedom for all Americans.
The recent attacks and insinuations, both direct and subtle, that Gov. Romney may be less fit to serve as president of our United States because of his faith fly in the face of everything America stands for. Gov. Romney should be judged fairly, on his record and his character, not on the church he attends."
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
He probably will take a hit for this but its probably the truth. I have no respect for politicians throughing religion in everybody's face. I never vote for a politician that uses religion as a point of his or her campaign.
As a side note. How many votes were lost to McCain by having that idiot democrat Lieberman's endorsement?
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by 420izzle
I agree P4B. He'll need that vote. Paul also said this about Faith (in reference to Mitt's speech):
The problem is that articles/statements like that aren't head-line grabbers. The facist remark will be played over and over I'll bet.
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
How many votes were lost to McCain by having that idiot democrat Lieberman's endorsement?
I'd guess VERY few! I don't think that endorsements are really that high on most voters minds. Maybe if McCain didn't look like Casper the Ghost. DAMN....that has to be the whitest dude I've ever seen in my life!!!
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
After that statement, I've become evermore content to set my vote right behind that man, Ron Paul. Religion does not belong in American politics, it is merely a method of personal strength that should not be taken advantage of for political attention.
He truly is a founding father, an American savior, and quite possibly our LAST chance for freedom. I'm voting for Ron Paul, whether he stands a chance of winning or being cheated.
We vote for who represents us, not for who stands a better chance of winning and I hope for a God that I don't even believe in, people understand that.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
In order to get the Republican nomination he'll still have to appeal to the religious sector of the party.......comments like this is nothing but detrimental to his cause. I saw this on FOX this morning and was a bit suprised....they started off by congradulating him on the "Tea Party".
I understand your point that this comment is very dangerous to his chance at being elected in the primaries, but I just want to make one important point I think you didn't even realize you just made. The media is actually considering Ron Paul as a possible candidate. This is, of course, in deep contrast to when George Stephanopoulos interviewed Ron Paul earlier this year and told Ron Paul to his face he would bet every penny he has that Ron Paul would not win.
I do believe a large number of people are waking up to the message of peace and freedom Ron Paul talks about, and this message is stronger than needing one's candidate to suck up to special interest groups, such as religious extremists. Ron Paul only says what he means, but I understand your dismay that a candidate is honest for a change.
The only question left is if his support will grow in time to win in the primaries, it would be cutting it very close and as a realist I understand even with his exponentially growing support, time just isn't in the favor for Ron Paul to win the primaries. But this candidacy has surprised me many times over, so this news piece doesn't at all harm my confidence that Ron Paul will be in the oval office in about a year or so. I do, of course, understand if you still don't agree with that possibility ;)
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
I have to agree with Mr.Paul on this one. religion will be the downfall of man.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Religion has nothing to do with politics. It is sad when our politicians are able to sway votes just because of their religion. I do not think it should be allowed, and anyone who even starts to run his campaign on any religious platform should be out of the race.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA[/YOUTUBE]
Personally, for Ron Paul to call Huchabee a facist based on this vid is ridiculous! If this thing was turned around I can think of at least 5 people in here that would be livid regarding the statement.:wtf:
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA[/YOUTUBE]
Personally, for Ron Paul to call Huchabee a facist based on this vid is ridiculous! If this thing was turned around I can think of at least 5 people in here that would be livid regarding the statement.:wtf:
Have a good one!:s4:
He didn't even call him a fascist. He has already had to explain this because of the spin on it.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
This story as been around for awhile now and I'm surprised it took you so long to pick up on it. I have no proof yet of this but, from what I've read Ron Paul didn't write that article from his "Ron Paul Political Report", a staffer did.
I don't care who gave him money, just as long as it was given legally. Free speech is free speech, even if you don't agree with the views.
Government and Racism
by Ron Paul
The controversy surrounding remarks by talk show host Don Imus shows that the nation remains incredibly sensitive about matters of race, despite the outward progress of the last 40 years. A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.
The young women on the basketball team Mr. Imus insulted are over 18 and can speak for themselves. Itā??s disconcerting to see third parties become involved and presume to speak collectively for minority groups. It is precisely this collectivist mindset that is at the heart of racism.
Itā??s also disconcerting to hear the subtle or not-so-subtle threats against free speech. Since the FCC regulates airwaves and grants broadcast licenses, weā??re told itā??s proper for government to forbid certain kinds of insulting or offensive speech in the name of racial and social tolerance. Never mind the 1st Amendment, which states unequivocally that, ā??Congress shall make NO law.ā?
Letā??s be perfectly clear: the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way. Furthermore, government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combating bigotry in our society. Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we canā??t change peopleā??s hearts by passing more laws and regulations.
In fact it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us.
The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA[/YOUTUBE]
Personally, for Ron Paul to call Huchabee a facist based on this vid is ridiculous! If this thing was turned around I can think of at least 5 people in here that would be livid regarding the statement.:wtf:
Have a good one!:s4:
Ron Paul called Huckabee a fascist? I don't know what you are smoking, but I want a hit! :stoned:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
He didn't come right out and say "Huckabee is a facist", but he SURE did imply it! Let G.W. make a statement of this order on the Iranian President once.......the same people in here defending Ron Paul would be outraged.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4[/YOUTUBE]
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Yeah, Huckabee is a real religious man. Him and his family always take the moral high ground, and look to god for guidance. Jesus, does anyone believe the utter bullshit he spews? Huckabees obese son admited to finding a stray dog. Does he feed it, try and find it shelter? No. He admited to hanging it, slits its throats just enough so it doesn't die right away, and slowly stones it to death.
This man raises irresponsible sadistic oafs as children, and people want him to run the country? :what:
The only reason the media is pushing this pig is because if he does win the GOP nomination - The democrats will win in a landslide could very well be 50-0. This man makes Rudy look like a saint. His son has gotten into trouble with the law countless times, for sadistic violent acts such as torturing animals. He pardons serial rapists - who begin murdering the day they get out of prison, he raises taxes to give illegal aliens free instate tuition. I could literally go on and on.
What has this country come to?
Say No to the Rino "Nanny Professor"
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Huckabee lobbied a parole board to get a convicted rapist out of prison. He then went on to rape and murder two women.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
He didn't call him a fascist....If you watch the whole video, you'll see Fox took what he said out of context. YouTube - Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.1of2) 12-18-07 that's the full interview on Fox.
"We had a guest on a little while ago that thought it was inappropriate to be using religion for political purposes. What do you think of that?" This is the question he was referring to.
YouTube - Ron Paul on Mickelson 1 he explains it himself here.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Jouryokujin
He didn't call him a fascist....If you watch the whole video, you'll see Fox took what he said out of context.
YouTube - Ron Paul on Fox & Friends (PT.1of2) 12-18-07 that's the full interview on Fox.
"We had a guest on a little while ago that thought it was inappropriate to be using religion for political purposes. What do you think of that?" This is the question he was referring to.
YouTube - Ron Paul on Mickelson 1 he explains it himself here.
You can put frosting on a dog terd too but don't tell me that it's a birthday cake. This is the type of answer you'd expect from a "politician"...plain and simple.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
You can put frosting on a dog terd too but don't tell me that it's a birthday cake. This is the type of answer you'd expect from a "politician"...plain and simple.
Have a good one!:s4:
Hm...Nope. It was an answer I thought was obvious after seeing the whole video. I watched the Mickelson video afterwards, and it confirmed I was right. It's not the answer I'd expect coming from a politician, considering it was truthful. "huckabee is a fascist" was not even remotely implied. Watch the first video in my first reply to you and you'll see that. Don't only watch the second.
I'll say it again "We had a guest on a little while ago that thought it was inappropriate to be using religion for political purposes. What do you think of that? (this question is asking 'what do you think of using religion for political purposes')" This is the question he was referring to....Not "do you think huckabee is a fascist?"
It's sad when someone must stoop this low to find SOMETHING bad about ron paul.:D
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Jouryokujin
I'll say it again "We had a guest on a little while ago that thought it was inappropriate to be using religion for political purposes. What do you think of that? (this question is asking 'what do you think of using religion for political purposes')" This is the question he was referring to....Not "do you think huckabee is a fascist?"
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.........
About Ron Paul Christmas < Ron Paul Christmas
YouTube - Season's Greetings from the Ron Paul Family
Have a RON PAUL Christmas! | Ron Paul 2008 Revolution - Ron Paul for President 2008
Ron Paul Stocking Stuffer
Ron Paul Christmas Cards - Products
WOW......seems like ol' Ronny likes Christmas too; good thing there isn't a book case showing on one of these sites. :rolleyes:
Bookcase=facist........numerous sites of exploitation=Constitutionalism.:S2:
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
::sigh:: I guess some people will never learn. You obviously haven't read any of my posts, and your links provide no information backing up your argument (though I'm not sure you have an argument to back up at this point, as your position has been disproven). The other users posting in this thread seem to understand your credibility on this issue though. I guess I can leave this one alone from now on. Have a good one! :jointsmile:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Jouryokujin
::sigh:: I guess some people will never learn. You obviously haven't read any of my posts, and your links provide no information backing up your argument (though I'm not sure you have an argument to back up at this point, as your position has been disproven). The other users posting in this thread seem to understand your credibility on this issue though. I guess I can leave this one alone from now on. Have a good one! :jointsmile:
LOL....he DID imply that as shown in the FOX vid then turned around and has how many sites exploiting Christmas not to mention his own Christmas message? I guess the blinding light from Ronny's halo blinds the people from time to time.
HE'S A DAMN POLITICIAN!!! "I guess some people will never learn.".....don't worry, after a few years you'll realize that the "political hero" isn't all that.
Oh well, doesn't really matter in the long run. Within' a few short months he'll be back on the Congress floor again.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
The interview wasn't anything about whether Ron like Christmas or not. It was if he felt these adds helped campaigns or not. Also he was asked what he thought about Huckabees commercial add, and he received a desription of the add. Ron then responded that it reminded him of a quote. He never said he was a fascist in any way. And the links you posted were bogus and prove nothing at all.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
He didn't come right out and say "Huckabee is a facist", but he SURE did imply it! Let G.W. make a statement of this order on the Iranian President once.......the same people in here defending Ron Paul would be outraged.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4[/YOUTUBE]
Have a good one!:s4:
No...If your boy said this I would still think the same thing. The thing is Ron Paul has been the only one in congress saying this for a while and no one could hear. Now a lot of people are able to hear his thoughts and ideas to help this country. The thoughts and ideas are new, and possible. He speaks truth and people don't understand it and are not ready for that kind of change. A lot of people like this and believe him because of his history, and because he is not bought. He is really talking about a new freedom in this country and the idea is growing.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by epxroot
Ron then responded that it reminded him of a quote. He never said he was a fascist in any way. And the links you posted were bogus and prove nothing at all.
Keep white washin' that fence....LOL. Fact is that he did make the implication and he did USE Christmas as a tool to further his election. Bookcase as compared to how many sites begging for change and his own Christmas addy. And people call Bush followers sheeple...
If he was Cheney you people would be accusing the other dude of jumping in front of his gun.
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Originally Posted by epxroot
A lot of people like this and believe him because of his history, and because he is not bought.
That's unless you include the Shrimp industry that he gets numerous earmarks for. Good ol' Forest Paul Shrimp....mmmm,mmmm good!:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Keep white washin' that fence....LOL. Fact is that he did make the implication and he did USE Christmas as a tool to further his election. Bookcase as compared to how many sites begging for change and his own Christmas addy. And people call Bush followers sheeple...
If he was Cheney you people would be accusing the other dude of jumping in front of his gun.
That's unless you include the Shrimp industry that he gets numerous earmarks for. Good ol' Forest Paul Shrimp....mmmm,mmmm good!:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
Sppiiiiinnnnn!
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been moved to the conspiracy section.
EDIT: Nevermind. I see why. It's been deleted. :joint1:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
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Originally Posted by Jouryokujin
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been moved to the conspiracy section.
EDIT: Nevermind. I see why. It's been deleted. :joint1:
Wrong again. The Conspiracy Forum is now located in the Hobby Lounge/ management.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Hm...Then I guess I am surprised it hasn't been moved.
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Paul's issue with Huckabee's Christmas ad: 'Fascism' will be 'carrying a cross'
Now you've got my interest up........so where is the conspiracy?
Have a good one!:jointsmile: