Conspiracy people give me a break

Unfulfilled people believe in this conspiracy stuff in order to paint the world around them with more excitement than is really there. This is substantiated by my personal experience that a good deal of conspiracy people are big believers in any conspiracy they can get their hands on. If I made up a conspiracy about No. 2 pencils that sounded feasible they'd be saying "Oh really? Ah yes! Go on! It makes perfect sense now.. why wouldn't NUMBER ONE pencils be the most common when they're NUMBER ONE unless someone set this up!"

It's a gigantic fantasy guys. If some of this stuff did happen to be conspiracy, believe me when I say you would never have access to credible primary source information in order to know that.

Anybody who attended the 4th grade can tell you (if you missed that chapter) that PEOPLE CAN'T KEEP SECRETS. Especially the government, the most disorganized, inefficient, blind joke there is - comprised of thousands of disgruntled, bored workers itching for the chance to blow the whistle on someone or piss off their boss with a bonus prize of 15 minutes of fame in exchange. Look at Bay of Pigs. The rare times when the government does try to do something secret it completely fucks up, someone blows the whistle, and the media gobbles it up. If the government was skilled at secrets and conspiracies you wouldn't have pictures on CNN of people with bags over their heads standing on crates with wires in their hands above puddles in Iraq.

If you're really that desperate for excitement maybe you need to find some new friends. The ones that don't sit around talking about fairy tales all day. Get real.

Politicians who are trying to be slick will eventually, invariably, be sold out by other politicians who are out to fuck them over and usurp their power. Your intervention, rants, email forwards, pixelated blow-up photos with red circles and megaphones aren't a necessary part of that process. The most you will accomplish is making yourself sound foolish and gullible to the majority of people who have more relevant priorities.

I don't think you've done your research.
And you're right, the government is bad at keeping secrets. And all of these secrets do come out. Except the truth is outnumbered 100 to 1 by the lies the government is telling us. How can this be? Because the media is run by the same people who control the country.

"If you hear a lie enough, you will believe it to be the truth" - idk who I quoted

The problem is when most people think like you. You think that the can not be a conspiracy, because most people can not be wrong.
Do you see the irony of the problem? Most people believe the government is honest, because most people believe the government is honest.

It doesn't lead anywhere! It is not based on logical reasoning.

If you look at the conspiracy movies like Zeitgeist you will find logical reasoning and strong evidence against the goverment.


I believe the more logical of the two arguments.

BTW, I think about 5% of the US knows about the conspiracy, but there are powerless when they are instantly shot down by the other 95% which you belong to.

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Originally Posted by THClord

The problem is when most people think like you. You think that the can not be a conspiracy, because most people can not be wrong.
Do you see the irony of the problem? Most people believe the government is honest, because most people believe the government is honest.

BTW, I think about 5% of the US knows about the conspiracy, but there are powerless when they are instantly shot down by the other 95% which you belong to.

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Quoted for truth! :thumbsup:

The media has absolutely nothing to gain by cooperating with the government. In fact, the best-selling, highest-rated, juiciest news comes from stories about government missteps. Where are the Monica Lewinsky , Paula Jones, Abu Ghraib, etc, etc, etc cover up conspiracies? No where, because they don't exist, because the government isn't cohesive or coordinated enough to execute an effective one.

What the conspiracy people seem to be completely missing, again, is that the "government" is not one big monolithic gear. It's made up of a bunch of people who are all out to fuck over the one-up the other people. It's divided against itself in several ways. That being the case, it is not possible for it to move uniformly in one direction. The TRUTH, if that's really what you're interested in, is that you WANT IT to be lies, so that you can feel enlightened. But you're not - it's a fantasy.

Speaking of that, you wouldn't believe what I uncovered about No. 2 pencils - You're all being lied to!!

I think you definitely have a point Vostro... but there are almost certainly conspiracies. I think they are few and far in between though. Most conspiracies are a load of shit when you look at it in an unbiased manner. You have to ignore both the government and the conspiracy "evidence."

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Originally Posted by vostro

[...] Speaking of that, you wouldn't believe what I uncovered about No. 2 pencils - You're all being lied to!!

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LMAO! They are control rods that need to be readily accessible to any aliens walking among us that happen to be carrying slightly unstable suitcase-sized nuclear reactors, right?????


vostro, I admire your pluck in walking into the conspiracy forum and stating what you have. For the most part, I agree with you, too. They're all nuts! :D I do, however, think that you are being a bit naive with what kind of secrets the government is capable of keeping.

I think if you change the statement in your original post about not being able to keep a secret from "the government cannot keep a secret" to "any large group of people cannot keep a secret," many things change.

Yes, the government is a large group of people. So yeah, the government as a whole cannot keep a secret. Buuut... (and I can't quite believe I'm about to say anything that would side with the conspiracy theorists out there!) The government is not one big monolithic entity. It is comprised of thousands of subgroups, departments, civilian, military, covert ops, etc., etc.

Do you really think that these small (and some very powerful) groups cannot keep a secret, at least in the short to mid term (5 to 20 years)? The members of some of these various departments don't get into those positions by blabbing. There are people and groups within the government that do things that we never hear about. And the key is that the rest of the government doesn't hear about those things, either.

Please note that I do not subscribe to just about any of the rampant conspiracy theories out there. But I do believe that the various arms of our government do things, especially in other countries, that the general public does not know about.

Grow

amen.

this thread makes more sense than the whole conspiracy forum put together

You're brainwashed if you don't know or believe that the shapeshifting reptilians from the 4th dimension are trying to enslave humanity. Just kidding.

But for realz d00dz, conspiracies are real. But conspiracy theories are not always even close to being accurate. Some of them can be, though. You just gotta find the right information, and some of that information is few and far between. It's hard to get the information because it's being surpressed.

'It's hard to get the information because it's being surpressed.'

thats a conspiracy in itself LOL

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Vostro---Thanks for waking me up, your're wise beyond your years...i should have never question our governments legimacy ESP concerning 9-11...I should have never asked Who ordered the Pentagon Official to cancel trips on 9-11, I should have never complain about bushes strong-arming hindering the Investigation into 9-11, i should have automaticlly believe every word(wait i did!), they have never lied, never rob its people, never made me a criminal for smoking cannabis, and even doh one of the Highjackers passport was found in perfect condition on top of the WTC rubble, i should have been a good american and just went shopping...

I should have never question the Iraq War even doh i have questions, i should just be a good american and deal with it....

I should have never question the JFK murder even doh i have questions on the many inconsistancy....

I should have never blame israel for destroying the USS LIberty so they can blame the Arabs....

Our government is all-knowing and all-loving and the Bush Regime is the holy's of Holys....i will now watch FOXNEWS 24/7 for there balance righteous news and services

vostro did you take your medication yet ?

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

Vostro---Thanks for waking me up, your're wise beyond your years...i should have never question our governments legimacy ESP concerning 9-11...I should have never asked Who ordered the Pentagon Official to cancel trips on 9-11, I should have never complain about bushes strong-arming hindering the Investigation into 9-11, i should have automaticlly believe every word(wait i did!), they have never lied, never rob its people, never made me a criminal for smoking cannabis, and even doh one of the Highjackers passport was found in perfect condition on top of the WTC rubble, i should have been a good american and just went shopping...

I should have never question the Iraq War even doh i have questions, i should just be a good american and deal with it....

I should have never question the JFK murder even doh i have questions on the many inconsistancy....

I should have never blame israel for destroying the USS LIberty so they can blame the Arabs....

Our government is all-knowing and all-loving and the Bush Regime is the holy's of Holys....i will now watch FOXNEWS 24/7 for there balance righteous news and services

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and don't ask about building 7 that wasn't hit by a plane and collapsed in a controlled demolition fashion, or about the drills taking place that same morning of hijacked planes hitting buildings, even though no one had ever even thought that kind of thing could happen...

just blame it on the 6 and a half foot muslim guy cave hopping with his dialysis machine...

There ARE a lot of government and other people calling foul play and there is clearly a lot of shady stuff going on in our country, a lot of it which you or I would probably not agree with. I think its just that some people just choose to beleive what the government or FOX news says and wont ever beleive anything else. Its a lot of the same people that go for weekly brainwashing sessions and hold true a lot of things that are contrary to logic and science. Maybe you just have too much "faith."

Thank you pisshead glad your onboard the no conspiracy thread of the hour, i dont kow why i even doubt building7 in which our government tried so hard to hide it from the people, and condi was being truthful when she said 'no1 ever even thought' knowing that the pentagon had run drills the year b4.....theres no conspiracy...im a traitor and should be arrested for questioning my government............

oh yeah, dont question your government invading other countries:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by anangrymailman

There ARE a lot of government and other people calling foul play and there is clearly a lot of shady stuff going on in our country, a lot of it which you or I would probably not agree with. I think its just that some people just choose to believe what the government or FOX news says and wont ever believe anything else. Its a lot of the same people that go for weekly brainwashing sessions and hold true a lot of things that are contrary to logic and science. Maybe you just have too much "faith."

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Your're out of line dude, our government would never used a media service to promote its agenda, go back to sleep, go shopping, be proud that the U.S government puts its own dictator in IRAN back in the 50s, be proud it gives arms to its enemies...just be proud, watch foxnews & stay away from drugs.....

eg420ne telling someone they're out of line.....thats classic.

I mean.. he was being sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by THClord

I don't think you've done your research.
And you're right, the government is bad at keeping secrets. And all of these secrets do come out. Except the truth is outnumbered 100 to 1 by the lies the government is telling us. How can this be? Because the media is run by the same people who control the country.

"If you hear a lie enough, you will believe it to be the truth" - idk who I quoted

The problem is when most people think like you. You think that the can not be a conspiracy, because most people can not be wrong.
Do you see the irony of the problem? Most people believe the government is honest, because most people believe the government is honest.

It doesn't lead anywhere! It is not based on logical reasoning.

If you look at the conspiracy movies like Zeitgeist you will find logical reasoning and strong evidence against the goverment.


I believe the more logical of the two arguments.

BTW, I think about 5% of the US knows about the conspiracy, but there are powerless when they are instantly shot down by the other 95% which you belong to.

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vostro... seriously bro... thanks for keeping this country in the shits... you and people like you...

the brainwashed... i would give my life for your true freedom, i want you to know that

Nobody said that everything the government says is true, proper, just, or correct. The idea, which some seemed to have missed and failed to refute, is that the definition of successful politicking in Washington is screwing over other people by making them look bad. The (opposite-partied) colleague of a crooked politician has much better access to credible information that any conspiracy theorist ever will and AND a huge motivation to go public with the information.

Of course you should question the government, and of course doing so doesn't make you unpatriotic. I think it speaks to the weakness of your position that the best you can do is knock down arguments that were never made in the first place.

In the event that of the 100 conspiracy theories you believe in 2 happened to be founded in some kind of abstract truth - what are you going to do about it? Nothing. Believe me. Nothing.

As for 9/11, in a situation with 10,000 circumstances surrounding it, I'm not at all surprised that you could cherry-pick 2,000 of them in order to draw a conclusion that you were looking for in the first place. If you want to make a contest out of it, I could go select some 9/11 circumstances that, in a vacuum, would make it indisputable that 9/11 was coordinated and executed by amonia-based aliens from Venus. That certainly does not make it true.

It should be pointed out that any discussion of this is academic because the people that believe in this stuff have made an emotional decision to believe in it, and then went on a treasure hunt to support that decision. Discussion of logic obviously isn't going to make an impact on an emotional decision.

dude seriously... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH... don't stop there, do double research, then start writing people, questioning people, get involved...

seriously man, you really don't get what this country is all about and has been all about

this is the age of information and it is getting harder and harder for the world power to hide their actions...

please don't think we are fools... i mean, i can say with 100% assurance, that you are the blind fool... but i am not trying to insult you (i know, i just called you a fool, but you know what i mean), you are just being a good american.

you sound like the general populace about marijuana... you know that right?
most people don't believe in conspiracy till i show them all the money trails...

i have been researching for about 4 months straight, and as far as facts go... i am disturbed...

please don't insult me, and say i'm crazy, or that all this work i do to find the truth is bullshit

IT PISSES ME OFF THAT SHEEP, TRY AND LEAD

i can't stand this shit anymore... we will never change anything

HighTillIDie, if you gave your life, doesn't that mean you wouldn't have a medium to enjoy my true freedom?

Let me tell you buddy, the grass is greener over here on the brainwashed side of the fence! I do believe everything the government tells me, which is why I'm on a forum exchanging information on how to grow, prepare, and smoke a Schedule I illegal drug.

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Originally Posted by vostro

HighTillIDie, if you gave your life, doesn't that mean you wouldn't have a medium to enjoy my true freedom?

Let me tell you buddy, the grass is greener over here on the brainwashed side of the fence! I do believe everything the government tells me, which is why I'm on a forum exchanging information on how to grow, prepare, and smoke a Schedule I illegal drug.

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you don't understand... i would gladly give me life... GLADLY... to change this world for the true better... and i understand there is no heaven, or second life. maybe someone could put me in a book or something so i could rationalize it easier in my human mind.


and i love how you think that growing weed, against the law, makes you enlightened...

THE CIA IS THE WORLDS LARGEST DRUG DEALER... think about that

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dont talk to loud, or they might hear us.

This quote for you vostro--You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on-your gawd George W Bushit

you really dont have freedom you just think you do we are the nazis of today and i would gladly stand with hightillidie

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Originally Posted by vostro

! I do believe everything the government tells me, .

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very telling:thumbsup:

i have realized though... i have to learn how to manipulate the emotions of others better, before i can open them to something they would rather not believe...

which is exactly how we are controlled (omg i said we are controlled, i must be crazy)

i can only show the facts, just like you said vostro, to those that want to listen, to those that are open...

who do you think this benefits more... and if you had power... don't you think you would try to use this to your advantage...

EVERYONE knows power corrupts.

to be honest, i don't know how to get people to even follow my thoughts... i don't know how to break the nieve... but i will try to learn, till i can get people to hear...

I think we should delete this thread. I was reading the newspaper just now, and when I assigned a number to each letter in the alphabet, 1 - 26, then took the third letter from each 3+ letter word in the article I was reading, added 1 to it's numerical value, and translated back into alpha form, you wouldn't believe what it spelled:

Graphite Pen &amp Pencil Company: Custom Imprinted Pencils and Pens plus Bulk Pencils, Mechanical Pencils, Erasers, Stationery and more

They're going to silence us! THEY'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!

Is the Ocean blue or is the sky blue...does the sun rise in the north....is the moon really the sun...tune in next time as vostro discusses foxnews rise to power and how he so love his country that he blindly follows every word, if the government told vostro to jump off the golden gate bridge do you think he'll do it, i think he would.....I do believe everything the government tells me-vostro

eg you baffle me, you hate this country soooo much but yet you still live in it. and take advantage of the freedoms you so blatantly question.

A tell-tale sign of a person with an irrational, emotional decision masquerading as an intellectual conclusion is when the person is unable to admit a chance that they are wrong into their model. Hardline conclusions come from ignorance about the other side of the spectrum. Whenever someone is 100% sure about something run the other way.

eg, way to quote my sarcasm out of context in order to invert the meaning of what I was saying. If you had any substance to add to the thread, you'd be better served to actually make a point. It just makes you look bad. This thread is getting kind of childish. I'm out.

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eg you baffle me, you hate this country soooo much but yet you still live in it. and take advantage of the freedoms you so blatantly question.

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i love my country i think your're the one that hates it....:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by vostro

A tell-tale sign of a person with an irrational, emotional decision masquerading as an intellectual conclusion is when the person is unable to admit a chance that they are wrong into their model. Hardline conclusions come from ignorance about the other side of the spectrum. Whenever someone is 100% sure about something run the other way.

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look whos ignorant---I do believe everything the government tells me..vostro

golly vostro... am i really that crazy... i don't brag, or go near it... but all of this worlds ways of judging intelligence, i have toppled with ease. in psych evaluations, i IMPRESS the tester.

everyday i run into arguements about things of any nature, where i have to reteach someone...

i really don't think i am wrong (of course, who does) and i am really really good at selfintrospection (sp)

i am not close minded... please take a few of the real hard fact "theories" that you don't believe in, and let's have a calm, intelligent conversation... i want to know why i am wasting my time and energy... i need to know what is real in this world...

help me

its no use hightillidie.....I do believe everything the government tells me-vostro

i refuse to believe that someone is a lost soul... i guess i watched too much star wars episode 6 when i was growing up

What is real is happiness, humbleness, helping people, and raising a productive healthy family. Friendships and love are real. Forget the rest of the stuff it means nothing on your deathbed.

well good luck then....:thumbsup: