Conspiracy people give me a break

[vostro]

Unfulfilled people believe in this conspiracy stuff in order to paint the world around them with more excitement than is really there. This is substantiated by my personal experience that a good deal of conspiracy people are big believers in any conspiracy they can get their hands on. If I made up a conspiracy about No. 2 pencils that sounded feasible they'd be saying "Oh really? Ah yes! Go on! It makes perfect sense now.. why wouldn't NUMBER ONE pencils be the most common when they're NUMBER ONE unless someone set this up!"

It's a gigantic fantasy guys. If some of this stuff did happen to be conspiracy, believe me when I say you would never have access to credible primary source information in order to know that.

Anybody who attended the 4th grade can tell you (if you missed that chapter) that PEOPLE CAN'T KEEP SECRETS. Especially the government, the most disorganized, inefficient, blind joke there is - comprised of thousands of disgruntled, bored workers itching for the chance to blow the whistle on someone or piss off their boss with a bonus prize of 15 minutes of fame in exchange. Look at Bay of Pigs. The rare times when the government does try to do something secret it completely fucks up, someone blows the whistle, and the media gobbles it up. If the government was skilled at secrets and conspiracies you wouldn't have pictures on CNN of people with bags over their heads standing on crates with wires in their hands above puddles in Iraq.

If you're really that desperate for excitement maybe you need to find some new friends. The ones that don't sit around talking about fairy tales all day. Get real.

vostro Reviewed by vostro on 09-21-2007. Conspiracy people give me a break Unfulfilled people believe in this conspiracy stuff in order to paint the world around them with more excitement than is really there. This is substantiated by my personal experience that a good deal of conspiracy people are big believers in any conspiracy they can get their hands on. If I made up a conspiracy about No. 2 pencils that sounded feasible they'd be saying "Oh really? Ah yes! Go on! It makes perfect sense now.. why wouldn't NUMBER ONE pencils be the most common when they're NUMBER Rating: 5

[vostro]

Politicians who are trying to be slick will eventually, invariably, be sold out by other politicians who are out to fuck them over and usurp their power. Your intervention, rants, email forwards, pixelated blow-up photos with red circles and megaphones aren't a necessary part of that process. The most you will accomplish is making yourself sound foolish and gullible to the majority of people who have more relevant priorities.

[THClord]

I don't think you've done your research.
And you're right, the government is bad at keeping secrets. And all of these secrets do come out. Except the truth is outnumbered 100 to 1 by the lies the government is telling us. How can this be? Because the media is run by the same people who control the country.

"If you hear a lie enough, you will believe it to be the truth" - idk who I quoted

The problem is when most people think like you. You think that the can not be a conspiracy, because most people can not be wrong.
Do you see the irony of the problem? Most people believe the government is honest, because most people believe the government is honest.

It doesn't lead anywhere! It is not based on logical reasoning.

If you look at the conspiracy movies like Zeitgeist you will find logical reasoning and strong evidence against the goverment.


I believe the more logical of the two arguments.

BTW, I think about 5% of the US knows about the conspiracy, but there are powerless when they are instantly shot down by the other 95% which you belong to.

[WeedyBoyWonder]

The problem is when most people think like you. You think that the can not be a conspiracy, because most people can not be wrong.
Do you see the irony of the problem? Most people believe the government is honest, because most people believe the government is honest.

BTW, I think about 5% of the US knows about the conspiracy, but there are powerless when they are instantly shot down by the other 95% which you belong to.

Quoted for truth! :thumbsup:

[vostro]

The media has absolutely nothing to gain by cooperating with the government. In fact, the best-selling, highest-rated, juiciest news comes from stories about government missteps. Where are the Monica Lewinsky , Paula Jones, Abu Ghraib, etc, etc, etc cover up conspiracies? No where, because they don't exist, because the government isn't cohesive or coordinated enough to execute an effective one.

What the conspiracy people seem to be completely missing, again, is that the "government" is not one big monolithic gear. It's made up of a bunch of people who are all out to fuck over the one-up the other people. It's divided against itself in several ways. That being the case, it is not possible for it to move uniformly in one direction. The TRUTH, if that's really what you're interested in, is that you WANT IT to be lies, so that you can feel enlightened. But you're not - it's a fantasy.

Speaking of that, you wouldn't believe what I uncovered about No. 2 pencils - You're all being lied to!!

[Mohksha]

I think you definitely have a point Vostro... but there are almost certainly conspiracies. I think they are few and far in between though. Most conspiracies are a load of shit when you look at it in an unbiased manner. You have to ignore both the government and the conspiracy "evidence."

[growwatcher]

[...] Speaking of that, you wouldn't believe what I uncovered about No. 2 pencils - You're all being lied to!!

LMAO! They are control rods that need to be readily accessible to any aliens walking among us that happen to be carrying slightly unstable suitcase-sized nuclear reactors, right?????


vostro, I admire your pluck in walking into the conspiracy forum and stating what you have. For the most part, I agree with you, too. They're all nuts! I do, however, think that you are being a bit naive with what kind of secrets the government is capable of keeping.

I think if you change the statement in your original post about not being able to keep a secret from "the government cannot keep a secret" to "any large group of people cannot keep a secret," many things change.

Yes, the government is a large group of people. So yeah, the government as a whole cannot keep a secret. Buuut... (and I can't quite believe I'm about to say anything that would side with the conspiracy theorists out there!) The government is not one big monolithic entity. It is comprised of thousands of subgroups, departments, civilian, military, covert ops, etc., etc.

Do you really think that these small (and some very powerful) groups cannot keep a secret, at least in the short to mid term (5 to 20 years)? The members of some of these various departments don't get into those positions by blabbing. There are people and groups within the government that do things that we never hear about. And the key is that the rest of the government doesn't hear about those things, either.

Please note that I do not subscribe to just about any of the rampant conspiracy theories out there. But I do believe that the various arms of our government do things, especially in other countries, that the general public does not know about.

Grow

[higher4hockey]

amen.

[savagepossum]

this thread makes more sense than the whole conspiracy forum put together

[mfqr]

You're brainwashed if you don't know or believe that the shapeshifting reptilians from the 4th dimension are trying to enslave humanity. Just kidding.

But for realz d00dz, conspiracies are real. But conspiracy theories are not always even close to being accurate. Some of them can be, though. You just gotta find the right information, and some of that information is few and far between. It's hard to get the information because it's being surpressed.