The face is terribly underrated

Insofar as what makes a person attractive, the structure of the face is the key, fundamental, and by far most important factor.

And yet people are considered beautiful when they just have a hot body, know how to apply 7 pounds of makeup (if female, and sometimes male), but they have a shitty bone structure.

I thought of this because I saw a picture of Paris Hilton, who has quite a poor facial bone structure, and I can tell would look like absolute SHIT without her layers (I think she looks like shit anyway, but some don't...)

Thoughts?

Well attractiveness (physical) is always a opinion, like you said some people think paris hilton is hot as hell and some people think she is ugly.

But then again you can get people who are slightly overweight and yet you think they have potential to be a model, or they are quite sexy but just need to lose weight, in other words they have a attractive face but unattractive body.

Your body is something you can change, everyone can, every male can make their bodys have 6pacs and all the muslces they want showing and every female can make their body nice a slim and have a nice structure by working out, plastic surgery or whatever method they want.

Every female can make their faces attractive by using make up but for us males (well normal ones at least) we dont use make up so we cant change that but however i believe most of it comes down to opinion.

Some girls like short hair on guys some like longer hair so it depends on what the beholder likes hence the saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".

But there is no point in looking fine as hell if you have an extremely ugly personality.

So at the end of the day i think it all comes down to opinion.

for me its about facial features, bone structures. i personally dont think the rest of the body counts as much as the face. body is bonus! even if the person isnt wearing make up and isnt all done up, i can see through it and see the beauty of the person. too much makeup is a turn off, as iff you're trying to hide something.. natural beauty for me :) but even with make up on i can for some reason tell which guys/girls are beautiful and those that are not. just one look in their eyes and i feel it. lol girls (or guys) with so much make up are ugly. but i understand why they do it. but like CC said, it comes down to the opinion.

I really like high cheek bones.

Do some reading about the classic ideals of beauty, Cannabis=Freedom. Scientifically, physical facial beauty is generally accepted as occurring when people have symmetrical, balanced features. This has been true throughout history, and symmetry is also something that other animal species look for in females of their species, too, because it conveys genetic balance, wholeness and reproductive health, among other things. Paris, as much as people love to slam her, is considered beautiful because she's facially symmetrical, among other things. Her brain leaves a lot to be desired. But I do not agree that she's ugly or that she has an awful bone structure. If you analyze her face on one of the classic beatuy diagrams, measuring eye width and facial length, cheekbone width, nose evenness, etc., she very definitely qualifies as symmetrical. I don't find her personally appealing because I think she's absolutely intellectually vapid. But I do think she's a classically pretty girl.

I thought this thread was about The Faces. I'm dissapointed.

i've always wondered why i'm one of the few who seem to actually go for face...

even someone with a 'hot body' (by model/fame standards) and an ugly face, is ugly to me...

however someone with a beautiful face (and personality for me!) even if the body isn't hot by above standards, is beautiful to me...

yes i agree, the face is underrated these days...

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Do some reading about the classic ideals of beauty, Cannabis=Freedom. Scientifically, physical facial beauty is generally accepted as occurring when people have symmetrical, balanced features. This has been true throughout history, and symmetry is also something that other animal species look for in females of their species, too, because it conveys genetic balance, wholeness and reproductive health, among other things. Paris, as much as people love to slam her, is considered beautiful because she's facially symmetrical, among other things. Her brain leaves a lot to be desired. But I do not agree that she's ugly or that she has an awful bone structure. If you analyze her face on one of the classic beatuy diagrams, measuring eye width and facial length, cheekbone width, nose evenness, etc., she very definitely qualifies as symmetrical. I don't find her personally appealing because I think she's absolutely intellectually vapid. But I do think she's a classically pretty girl.

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I've read about that and I absolutely agree with you about the symmetry, but for me there just has to be some extra kick. I really like high cheek bones, and Paris's are pretty low, combined with lips that aren't full enough. Plus, all that doesn't really matter: there just something missing. It's like cookies. Paris's cookie has all the right ingredients and was cooked properly but it's like a storebought cookie no one put any thought or extra kick into, like Grandma's....I hope that made sense.

If a girls got a hot body and a butterface then that's a hell no. The face is the first thing i look at.

""It's like cookies. Paris's cookie has all the right ingredients and was cooked properly but it's like a storebought cookie no one put any thought or extra kick into, like Grandma's....I hope that made sense.""

LMAO, yeha grandma's are the kind you sit and saver, The stores are for a quick fix.

I like girls like birdgirl was talkn bout, average slim with a matching face,

I agree that it was like Paris was baked with a few missing ingredients. Great analogy! She's missing her chocolate chips and her spices and all the personality/flavor/intellect components that make her more than just a pretty cookie to look at on the surface, I think. If she'd get herself some more schooling and work less on her visual image and more on her actual intrinsics, I think we'd have a good start to getting her up to full-baked status and see more than just surface beauty beneath those blue eyes. I think she'd feel better about herself and add a lot more societal value as an "icon," too, if she got some validation from someplace other than her looks. Just a strong hunch.

I see similar intellectual vacuity in the Lindsays, Britneys and Nicoles of that same young-Hollywood set. It concerns me from a parental-societal standpoint for those young women, and that whole looks-driven culture presents dangers to young people of both genders, I think.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Do some reading about the classic ideals of beauty, Cannabis=Freedom. Scientifically, physical facial beauty is generally accepted as occurring when people have symmetrical, balanced features. This has been true throughout history, and symmetry is also something that other animal species look for in females of their species, too, because it conveys genetic balance, wholeness and reproductive health, among other things. Paris, as much as people love to slam her, is considered beautiful because she's facially symmetrical, among other things. Her brain leaves a lot to be desired. But I do not agree that she's ugly or that she has an awful bone structure. If you analyze her face on one of the classic beatuy diagrams, measuring eye width and facial length, cheekbone width, nose evenness, etc., she very definitely qualifies as symmetrical. I don't find her personally appealing because I think she's absolutely intellectually vapid. But I do think she's a classically pretty girl.

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I've read that somewhere aswell, it's pretty interesting. we are also supposed to be attracted to people who have classically feminin / masculine features. --speaking for heterosexuals-- women are supposed to go for men with strong bone structures, and muscles, things that seperate us as sexes. men are supposed to go for women with soft jawlines, big lips, and big curves. we also apparently look for people who would be good to have children with, men tend to go for women who have large breats and nice curves because they look more 'womanly' and like someone who is meant to carry a child.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I agree that it was like Paris was baked with a few missing ingredients. Great analogy! She's missing her chocolate chips and her spices and all the personality/flavor/intellect components that make her more than just a pretty cookie to look at on the surface, I think. If she'd get herself some more schooling and work less on her visual image and more on her actual intrinsics, I think we'd have a good start to getting her up to full-baked status and see more than just surface beauty beneath those blue eyes. I think she'd feel better about herself and add a lot more societal value as an "icon," too, if she got some validation from someplace other than her looks. Just a strong hunch.

I see similar intellectual vacuity in the Lindsays, Britneys and Nicoles of that same young-Hollywood set. It concerns me from a parental-societal standpoint for those young women, and that whole looks-driven culture presents dangers to young people of both genders, I think.

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first and foremost, welcome back.
and yes, that "hollywood-set" is sending all the wrong messages to our younger generation... and it's a shame. sometimes I look at my 4 year cousin, she's a VERY pretty little girl and I get scared.. her 7 year old sister already dresses like half my generation. she's a good girl but it seems she's growing so fast.

and the face is important to me.
then comes body....but i'm not very picky, as long as shes mature.

The face is the thing I use to decide how attractive a girl is more than other parts. However some girls who arent that pretty but have great bodies can be hot too

I am not sure from a mans perspective.....but from a woman's I think it matters....I look at the jaw line and eyes ....especially eyes......brow line cheek bones.....the face matters,but personality is very important too...;) oh and make up on a guy....totally unattractive,in fact down right wrong,unless you're in a band...like My chemical Romance,etc.,then it's expected...

It's in the eyes for me. I'd happily go out with a plumper if she has nice eyes. Especially brown eyes.

Attraction... from an evolutionary biology/physiological perspective...

Not only is symmetrical universally attractive, but the closer your face and body adheres to the Golden Ratio of nature (1.618), the more attractive it will be deemed (notwithstanding getting lupus).

Women have enlarged breasts to remind men of the buttocks. We are the only primates who don't mate exclusively viz a viz doggy style and men need visual sexual markers while looking at a woman's front.

Upon viewing an attractive member of the opposite gender, phenylethylamine (PEA) is released andâ??viola!â??lust at first sight, the butterflies in thy stomach. If I'm not mistaken, which I might, this is strongest when two people lock eyes, thus the real reason the eyes are the gateway to the soul. Oxytocinâ??not to be confused with Oxycontinâ??is released when two people touch each other and creates emotional bonds, is what's ultimately responsible for love; thus, I suppose, the evolutionary significance of keeping fair skin.

That's all I can think off the top of my head, for now.

i completely agree! i don't care how sexy a guy's body is, if he doesn't have a good looking face i won't even consider him. i never realized how important it is to me, but i guess i could say bone structure is the #1 thing to me.

i wouldn't say that paris is ugly. she may be slightly odd looking at times, but when it comes to it, she's cute. she's not beautiful or gorgeous naturally, but she's cute. her bone structure isn't all that great. i know plenty of girls who have wayyy better faces than her.

Paris has a lazy eye but anyway, the eyes do it for me. If a girl or a guy has peircing eyes it makes me absolutely melt.

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Originally Posted by Gippie

my boyfriend's eyes look like the sea

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foamy and full of kelp?

Agreed butterfaces are hideous, oh and Green eyes are hot...I knew a few girls that had them and they were beautiful. ..ok well the eyes can be any color but when the face just matches perfect its nice.