Are you pro or anti israel. State why. And try not to get emotional like many people do when talking about this. I want this thread to stay open.
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Are you pro or anti israel. State why. And try not to get emotional like many people do when talking about this. I want this thread to stay open.
I am Jewish (both parents) and I oppose. The actions of Zionist pieces of shit are one of the biggest reasons people like to hate on us. Modern day Israel is a racist apartheid state which can only be described as a disgrace to my people.
Yahweh did not intend for anyone to die simply so my people could return to Israel. Also, too many idiots 'convert' and then all of the sudden they pretend like they are one of god's chosen....it does not work that way folks.
I also do not read or accept the Talmud.
Shalom.
Im atheist but I am very much for Isreal.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
May I ask why?
Bc in my opinion they have every right to be alive. Its their land to begin with.
Of course people have the right to live...Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
But it just isnt going to work out unless all of the Muslims are removed from the area. I am very much opposed to hurting or displacing other people simply because it's our land as you put it. As a Tora believing Jew, I believe that the earth is for all of god's children and land is not something to kill for unless you are being ran off of it which seems to be the case over there right now.
How do you think it makes me feel to know that many people around the world will judge guys like me because of things like the 'security wall' being built to keep Moslems out. It makes me sick.
I have never met an atheist who said that Israel belonged to the Jewish people, and most people who think that way scare me. The Molsems of the world believe that it is theirs as well and IMO if we can not learn to share the land, then the result will be wars which will never end.
Not trying to flame you....just wondering why an atheist would agree with the religious idea of the land which is now called Israel belonging to the tribe.
First off I don't live in Israel, that is just the flag I fly on cc.com and my arm.
One day I would like to be able to bring my wife and kids to Israel but it scares me that something "could" go wrong. I would very much like to see peace in Israel. I just wish opposing sides could just treat their Holy Lands like a Holy Land and not bring violence to it no matter what the conflict is.
not sure who "their" is referring too because Israel is just as holy to the Muslims as the Jews and Christians, especially the West Bank where the fighting always is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
the state of israel was created to assuage the world's guilt over the attempted elimination of the jews at the hands of the third reich. it's really nothing more than the post world war 2 equivalent of forty acres and a mule. the jewish homeland was created thanks to the climate of the times, their collaboration with the occupying british presence and a tenuous claim based on little more than mythology and cobbled together bits of ancient history.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
following its creation, the iraeli authority used any means to rid itself of any unwanted inhabitants of the area in order to make room for a flood of refugees from various unfriendly nations. populated to a great extent by those fleeing persecution in the soviet union and eastern europe and supported by aid from the west, their sins were widely overlooked. amidst the paranoia of the cold war they thrived and slowly grew to become the strong arm of the west in the midst of a culture that western minds couldn't quite seem to grasp.
my neutrality concerning israel is nearly complete, but considering that the nation was born of guilt, bred on fear and has used nearly terrorist tactics in order to survive, i can't help but be suspicious.
the Bible says " oh, Israel, I will bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee " ... Israel is at the TOP of my 'Bless' list :thumbsup:
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Amnesty International's report on Israels many human rights violations.
I'm anti israel. Why? Because my family on my dads side was kicked out of Palestine and sent to a refugee camp. not cool.
The United States gives Israel 3 billion a year in aid - which accounts for about 20 percent of their military budget. There are only 7 million people in the entire country; 3 billion a year amounts to over 400 dollars per person in Israel.
They are crazy to want to stay there surrounded by people that hate them. I wouldn't go there even on an all-expense paid free vacation.
Having a Thread named "Israel" can get alot of people ban...i dont agree with Israel at all, every country in the world since the human timeline bagan has thrown out the jews, wait we talkin about israel well....Israel did soo much an act of war on the USA and the US Government forgave them, boy wish our government can forgive the 19 SA hijackers and not attack IRAQ.........
And having citizen with duel-citzenship in control with our government is a big ASS NO! look it up and see how many are on top of our government...no one can serve 2 masters.......mossad By way of deception we shall do war.....
Thats from the OLD TESTAMENT, Jesus made everything anew again..................by his death, jesus gave every1 in option of a better afterlife............Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
so in return WE ALL GODS People, and should all be bless-
Anybody hate the argument that Israel belongs to Jews because the Torah says so? The Koran says the same thing for muslims. I dont really thing pro israel people have a leg to stand on about the issue of whether or not the zionists are doing the right thing.
And if you don't believe or accept that, you'll burn forever. Nice of him, wasn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Well... Yeah, But....i rather have JeSUS as my god then his daddy;)
I'm anti for the simple reason it's a terrorist racist state that holds influence in most western governments. It was also western tax payers money that had to fund the rebuilding of Lebanon when it was Israel who bombed the f**k out of the place. You also now have gods chosen people pushing America and Britain into launching attacks on Iran. Am i the only one who thinks it's about time they do their own dirty work instead of sending the gentiles to die for the Zionist cause!
$400 is cheap, priced an Uzi lately ? ... :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
All the inane religious argumens aside, the Jews have a history in that area going back over 4,000 years. That makes them about as indigenous as a tribe can get. As an indigenous people, they have every bit as much a right to a Middle-Eastern homeland as do the Arabs and Persians.
That doesn't mean I agree with Israeli politics; only that I believe they have a right to exist - preferably in peace with their neighbors.
PC :pimp:
Israel is smaller than New Jersey with 15% of its population being Arab. Not to mention being surrounded by people that hate them.
And people wonder why the west has their backs? If we didn't they'd be in deep shit or even worse.......nuclear fallout from when they face imminant destruction.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
I believe in a country in which people of every religion can live in peace in the holy land, however, it is due to fear and oil that the Israeli government will never stop the murder of Palestinians.
I know that a lot of Jews do not like being associated with the portrayal of Israel, and many people in Israel do not want to keep fighting over land. I also know a lot of people who want Israel to be 100% Jewish and noone else, which is bang right out of order.
I think that because of American assistance and aid, Israel now has an established economy and military strong enough to crush the muslims and put a stop to them. I believe that the Israeli government are bullies who indiscriminately kill Palestinians, women, children whatever based on orders.
I also think Israels time in the middle-east is coming to an end not in the way that it will be destroyed, but there is going to be a lot of change in the next few decades.
Also, P4B why do you think the rest of the arabs hate them?, they were allowed living space there, but now they've taken ridiculous amounts of land from the arabs, destroyed thousands of homes just to accomodate themselves and they are constantly breaking UN rules, where if any other country was doing so, there would be a reaction, despite many African countries which seriously need attention as they are in worse conditions than the Arabs and Jews in Israel.
Also, why should Israel have nuclear weapons and Iran not? Surely Israelis a much greater threat to the large arab population than Iran?
Another thing, do the Israelis believe something stupid as a wall is going to protect them?, the berlin wall...walls don't work, they're a short term solution aimed to anger the arabs into provoking more attacks from them to create a pretense for the army to attack in ridiculous proportions.
I am not supportive
While ever the U.S continues its stance on Israel they are playing right into the hands of characters like Bin Laden. From a purely Pro-U.S standpoint I would say get out of Israel, it will bankrupt them eventually otherwise. These terrorists will continue to hold the U.S by the balls for as long as U.S foreign policy holds steadfast.
They rely on it.