Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
bush is so conservative...amnesty for 30+ illegal immigrants...we should open up the entire world to come live here, and pay for them to come here, we can all live in cardboard boxes...
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform [align=left] JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press
Thursday, May 17, 2007
WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties and the White House announced agreement Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border.[/align]
The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S and a separate program to cover agricultural workers. Skills and education-level would for the first time be weighted over family connections in deciding whether future immigrants should get permanent legal status. New high-tech employment verification measures also would be instituted to ensure that workers are here legally.
The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences.
Bush called it "a much-needed solution to the problem of illegal immigration in this country" and said, if approved, the proposal "delivers an immigration system that is secure, productive, orderly and fair."
"With this bipartisan agreement, I am confident leaders in Washington can have a serious, civil and conclusive debate so I can sign comprehensive reform into law this year," he said in a written statement. Bush planned to make remarks about the bill later Thursday at the White House.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, his party's lead negotiator on the deal, hailed it as "the best possible chance we will have in years to secure our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America."
Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."
The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called the proposal a "starting point" for that debate, but added that it needs improvement.
"I have serious concerns about some aspects of this proposal, including the structure of the temporary worker program and undue limitations on family immigration," Reid said in a statement.
The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-called "point system" that prioritizes immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.
The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.
The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a "Z visa" and - after paying fees and a $5,000 fine - ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.
A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those so-called "triggers" had been activated.
Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.
Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.
In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair system that rips families apart.
Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card - except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.
New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
Senator: "No Matter How You Spin It, This Is Amnesty" [align=left] Jim DeMint
Thursday, May 17, 2007
May 17th, 2007 - Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator DeMint made the following statement: [/align]
"I hope we don't take a thousand page bill written in secret and try to ram it through the Senate in a few days. This is a very important issue for America and we need time to debate it."
"But the little we do know about the bill is troubling. According to reports, the bill contains a new 'Z Visa' that allows those who entered our country illegally to stay here permanently without ever returning home. This rewards people who broke the law with permanent legal status, and puts them ahead of millions of law-abiding immigrants waiting to come to America. I don't care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty."
Senator DeMint is chairman of the Senate Steering Committee, a caucus of conservative senators that includes the majority of the Republican Conference.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
Well Pisshead, this is a landmark day in CC history........me, you, and Bill O'Reilly see eye to eye on this issue! LOL....your turning into a neo-con slow but sure. LMAO
Have a good one!:s4:
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Well Pisshead, this is a landmark day in CC history........me, you, and Bill O'Reilly see eye to eye on this issue! LOL....
with an overwhelming majority of the population of this country being against amnesty, it shouldn't surprise you that people of widely differing views should agree on the subject. it seems that the only ones who want it are big business looking for slave labor, ivory tower liberals who's idea of equality is having everyone live in the same gutter (except for themselves, of course), politicians looking for extra votes, the mexican government looking to rid themselves of what they consider surplus population, and the illegals themselves.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
For everyone to come together in such a bi-partisan agreement, it makes me wonder what concessions on other issues were made that just aren't being mentioned yet. Behind closed doors ya know...........
Have a good one!:s4:
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
For everyone to come together in such a bi-partisan agreement, it makes me wonder what concessions on other issues were made that just aren't being mentioned yet. Behind closed doors ya know...........
Have a good one!:s4:
war funding for amnesty? i don't suppose it really matters. seems to me that the dems and reps have been in cahoots from day one and all the fireworks were just to give the peons a show. they both just want to play god anyway.
damn, i'm sounding more and more like a conspiracy nut every day. that's one of the reasons i don't spend much time in politics any more. the whole thing is getting depressing as all hell and i'm getting to the point where violence is really starting to sound like a viable option.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
war funding for amnesty? i don't suppose it really matters. seems to me that the dems and reps have been in cahoots from day one and all the fireworks were just to give the peons a show. they both just want to play god anyway.
damn, i'm sounding more and more like a conspiracy nut every day. that's one of the reasons i don't spend much time in politics any more. the whole thing is getting depressing as all hell and i'm getting to the point where violence is really starting to sound like a viable option.
Yeah, I'd not go to Iraq and fight for the oil barons, But if enough people would get together to take our country back from the elites and corporations, I'd get out a gun and go along, popping a few rich assholes seems like sport to me, and if you got to shoot some politicians, that would be a bonus. The new American revolution will probably not get off the ground untill I'm long gone, But unless all the youngsters get hooked on soma, it's sure to come.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by medicinal
Yeah, I'd not go to Iraq and fight for the oil barons, But if enough people would get together to take our country back from the elites and corporations, I'd get out a gun and go along, popping a few rich assholes seems like sport to me, and if you got to shoot some politicians, that would be a bonus. The new American revolution will probably not get off the ground untill I'm long gone, But unless all the youngsters get hooked on soma, it's sure to come.
I guess I'm just an old pacifist.............:D
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts[/YOUTUBE]
Have a good one!:s4:
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by medicinal
The new American revolution will probably not get off the ground untill I'm long gone, But unless all the youngsters get hooked on soma, it's sure to come.
....and bloodless at that.
i'm afraid that the next american revolution has already started. with such traitors as ted kennedy, john mccain, harry reid and baby bush firmly in the pocket of the mexican government and the racist pigs of la raza; we will soon find the entire southwest annexed by mexico and turned into a mirror image of the cesspool of poverty and corruption we see on the other side of the border. i should probably add the most of the roster of presidential candidates to that short list, but i'll just leave it to those four snakes for now. no matter how obvious these fools are, the american people seem to be too complacent to lift a finger against a government that seems to only be interested in the welfare of the powerful.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
....and bloodless at that.
i'm afraid that the next american revolution has already started. with such traitors as ted kennedy, john mccain, harry reid and baby bush firmly in the pocket of the mexican government and the racist pigs of la raza
Bi-partisan anger........I can respect that totally!! I'm VERY disappointed with both sides of the fence on this one!
When these illegal fucks are protesting they should have semi's waiting to load ALL their asses up. Let the Mexican government decide who is and not theirs when we dump them off.
Have a good one!:s4:
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I guess I'm just an old pacifist.............:D
medicinal, still with us? Hope I didn't make ya choke on something. LOL
Have a good one!:s4:
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I guess I'm just an old pacifist....
how beautiful and naive we were. with our long hair flowing in the breeze, passing out flowers and poetry; but don't forget that the same era that advocated free love and peace also spawned the weather underground and the black panthers. these were men and women who understood the paradox of peace through violence. they knew that sometimes the promised land could only be reached by passing through fields of blood. though i have always believed in nonviolent solutions, there comes a time when the defense of your way of life necessitates a call to arms.
the biggest problem is deciding who is friend and who is foe.
[align=right]does the end sometimes justify the means?[/align]
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
medicinal, still with us? Hope I didn't make ya choke on something. LOL
Have a good one!:s4:
Hey man, I'm probably one of the biggest beatles fans around. I was in my heyday when the beatles were hot. I missed seeing them by one day in Mannheim germany in 63. But we've grown up and old, hell Paul is in his 60s, and still fighting against a woman for his money. With his loot, you'd think he could arrange a disappearance. I'm all for peace, but it is not to be had with these criminals running the country. The problem is the military, we have to get them on our side or it's over in no time. With the weapons they have, we could never win a revolution against the powers that be without a capitulation by the military. If we get them, we could go door to door with the addresses of the culprits (politicians and corporate big wigs, all bosses that ever gave you shit etc). Line them up and make them take 50,000 mikes of Acid, and then show them all the footage of carnage in Iraq, Burned body parts, human entrails, etc. Show them footage of starving people accross the globe, then kill their asses.~LOL~. May be a little extreme, but you get the picture, they have no compunctions about doing it to others.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by medicinal
The problem is the military, we have to get them on our side or it's over in no time. With the weapons they have, we could never win a revolution against the powers that be without a capitulation by the military.
the key to a successful revolution is popular support, not collaboration with the military. a military coup would only lead to a totalitarian regime (we're well on our way to that without their help) or a constant state of revolutionary emergency (i suppose we could mimic china's perpetual revolution, but our over industrialized society would soon tire of the need for such drastic measures). unluckily, our complacent population has lost the courage to endure even a moment of anarchy in the quest for a better way of government. even our poor are maintained in a state of sated poverty, just satisfied enough with their government handouts to want to avoid the possibility that the meager gravy train might be interrupted.
what of that other backbone of many a revolution, the nations students? i wouldn't expect great things from that quarter. here in the us, our academics have been fed a steady stream of senseless causes and illusory ecological disasters to neutralize their youthful zeal. on our campuses you are more likely to find placards crying out to feed the world or bemoaning the fate of the latest version of the spotted owl than to find anyone seriously contemplating the more immediate matter of the survival of the original american ideals. in this world of instant gratification, they seem to believe that the planet can be saved without a real base from which to perform such a miracle.
revolution is born of suffering and most americans don't even understand the concept. they won't allow themselves to see the dangers until that final moment when the last freedom has been erased. once the international concerns have demolished this country's sovereignty we will be as impotent as the individual members of the eu and, unlike our european cousins, we will be buried in a tide of poverty from the south. what is left will be the private domain of those smart enough to have hidden their wealth from the grasping claws of governmental greed and those to whom we have ceded our unique liberty.
i'm afraid that all that is left are minor instances of personal revolution. each of us denying the monster where and when we can. hoping to postpone the inevitable for our few remaining years and leaving the remainder to our heirs in the hope that they will be smart enough to do the same or lucky enough to find a more receptive audience.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
Lets ask the real native americans about illegal immigration? You can't stop it even if you build a wall and guard it with troops. That would only lead to more prisonplanet stories about how we live in a police state. There here, get used to it, and avoid strange blankets.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by Zimzum
Lets ask the real native americans about illegal immigration? You can't stop it even if you build a wall and guard it with troops. That would only lead to more prisonplanet stories about how we live in a police state. There here, get used to it, and avoid strange blankets.
....burglaries occur every day, let's just not bother to lock our doors. this seems to be what passes for a logical argument with those folks whose goal is the importing of low cost labor, the destruction of of our health care and educational institutions, and the general lowering of the standard of living for those citizens who actually work for a living. unlike the original inhabitants of this land, we have the power to stem this invasion. we have the power to learn from history, but we obviously don't have the smarts.
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Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
"low cost labor" or "high cost of living"? I believe we as Americans have had it a bit too good and now we are so accustomed to having "things", we'll work our asses off and build up personal debt. What you see as low cost labor is usually enough for them to get by in life and send some back home. But again if we don't get our bling-bling its always someone else's fault. We all have an elitist mentality in one way or another but we all can't have our large house on several acres of land with a Mercedes in the driveway while we are sitting by the pool sipping some Dom Pérignon. I believe those who employ illegals are much more responsible then the illegals themselves.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
delusion i like your thoughts on revolution and your totally right our sociaty as a whole has become soft in so many ways that many people dont have the stomach for a revolution let alone the balls for one.Americans are more concerned about who is going to win american idol than whats going on around them.The government has got everyone wrapped around their finger that the thought of the people revolting probably makes them laugh.It just isnt going to happen and they know it.The government gives people just enough money so they can survive and maybe buy some beer on the weekend,while the real wealth is kept to themselves and there buddies.I for one already think America is a police state which makes it that much more harder to start a revolution,you guys imprison more people that the Soviet Union for gods sake.So the American government can get away with anything they want and if the people dont like it the only say you have is election time then the next batch of crooks can come in and take their share.
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
Its Treason is what it is, no way around it... we are a land of laws(sometimes) and no1 cant take our land away....lol.....
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
Sign me up for when the revolution begins....
Bush Hails Deal on Immigration Reform
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Originally Posted by chiqo76
Sign me up for when the revolution begins....
the revolution has been canceled due to lack of interest by anyone other than the invaders from the south. american citizens are encouraged to feel free to begin their own personal revolutions at any time they wish. for more information don't call anybody, just blow something up.
