Too loose!

I have practiced over and over and over and over again. I devote an hour here and there; about 3 times a week to rolling. I have been doing this for 3 months at the least.

But my joints are too loose! I try to tighten them while I roll, but the paper gets crinkley and awkward to work with. My herb's not too dry, nor too wet- I grind it with a grinder, and my technique is as follows:

1. Place ganj in the center fold of a paper

2. Pick up paper, and roll the ganj so it's even throughout. No problems here yet.

3. This is where it begins. I keep it steady with both hands, and support with middle and index fingers, and attempt to roll it up, but the herb keeps falling out both ends, and I end up with a crinkled mostly paper "joint" with a big lump in the middle and papered ends.

Help me! Somebody help me, puhLEASE! Mashed potatos, gravy, and cranberry sauce- Whoooo!

unless my weed is really moist and sticky, i use about 10-20% more then i want to be in the joint (i have problems with shit falling outta the ends alot too)

where are your thumbs on the paper when you start to roll? at the ends, or in the center? if at the ends, put them in the center, and move them outward as you roll, it helps keep it even so it's not pregnant (skinny ends, fat center)

mostly tho it sounds like you're having problems getting the paper to catch/overlap... just keep in mind, when you're rolling a joint, the more you mess with it, the more is gonna fall out... try to get it even, and rolled up, with as few many 'rolls' as possible...

when you're ready to roll it up and stick it, roll it as normal, then when you get ready to actually overlap the paper, use the tips of your thumbs (starting in the mdidle again) to push the paper down into the 'crease' (in between the bud and the other side of the paper, the side with the sticky crap on it) and continue the rolling motion, but with the 'balls' of your thumbs (the joints in the middle)

edit: sometimes at this point the middle will be tucked, but the ends will kinda still wanna just go straight up, if you continue to roll it and stick it like that, the entire joint is fucked pretty much... (in the center the glue will stick like a normal joint, but at the ends, the ends [glue and non-glue] will be stuck together) instead, hold the joint in the middle and steady with one hand, and use the other to tuck the corners down, then roll it and stick it.

I only roll J's with shake, and I just roll it like a sleeping bag, roll it a bit, pack/press it down, roll it a bit, continue. Works fine for me.

I always make a second fold, about 1/4 from the bottom and ignore the fold in the middle. Also, I know it's cheating but, when I get about 3/4 to the top I put it in a dollar bill and roll it through the whole bill in the proper direction.

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I dont know just keep at it. I roll now with out lossing any herb and comes out good every time. It is all in how you prepare your herb for rolling too. like you said not too dry not too wet and well grinded. I always use clear aladas or trip papers and a plug now. Check it:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:
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after you put the bud in the paper, but before you fold the paper over, touch the two sides of the paper togather. you should have basically a folded paper with bud in ther middle. roll the paper up and down in your fingers. this rolls the bud into a tight little bunch all along the fold of the paper. then make try to roll it up. basically the bud has to be in a tight tube like row inside the paper before you start to roll. thats the way i get em tight. aw hell, after reading that it might not make any sence if you haven't seen it done before. anybody else out there that knows what i mean and might be able to explain it a litlle better?

the atomic punk use his method and mine to get a perfect joint it takes time. i do it like this once at the part where u cant get it tight, i press it with my pointer fingers to keep the bud from falling out and roll it up and down with my thumb and middle finger to tighten it at the same time useing the method above me at the end u want it like at the bottom with the gum side edge at the top and then this is the most important part if u want a tight joint to keep the bootom edge with the bud pressed in place this my take a while at first but once u got it down its easy and almost automatic

I do a lot of twisting when i roll mine... i also twist mine tight so it won't be loose. Its an odd method, but it somehow works.

Twist the ends, twist the middle, twist twist twist.

Don't worry if it gets too crinkly, you can smooth it when its rolled.

For starters use a 1 1/2 sized paper as they give you more room to mess up and more paper to roll it tighter. Trust me. it's how i learned.

dude okay this is what you gotta do

when your rolling it, before you start anything else, push the side of the paper faceing you onto the other side behind it.. so the weed is like hammocked in the middle. and then repeatedly roll it up and down until the weed takes shape of a cylindar. eventually the shape should be good enough so taht you can just wrap the paper over the weed like a burrito and roll it up, lick it and stick it all the time keeping it as tight as it was from the start.

if you do taht you will have it i guarentee
Yeah like this:

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Originally Posted by twentysac

after you put the bud in the paper, but before you fold the paper over, touch the two sides of the paper togather. you should have basically a folded paper with bud in ther middle. roll the paper up and down in your fingers. this rolls the bud into a tight little bunch all along the fold of the paper. then make try to roll it up. basically the bud has to be in a tight tube like row inside the paper before you start to roll. thats the way i get em tight. aw hell, after reading that it might not make any sence if you haven't seen it done before. anybody else out there that knows what i mean and might be able to explain it a litlle better?

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hell yeah. what night said. very well put man

my advice is to do everything everyone said, but I actually prefer slightly pregnant joints, because by the time they are established and going strong, you are right at the weed payload in the center :)!

i am not a great roller, but what I find helpful is to roll it up, then(ok, this is kinda gross) just lick it all over and kind of press it into the shape you want if its a lil wierd looking. just run a lighter up and down a few times, it dries out and gets nice and firm. I also prefer a 2 ply joint. i use 2 papers because it makes them firm, prevents holes in the paper, and just looks so much damn better. I roll a joint, and then just lick the side of it, place the wet side down on a new paper, and just roll it right up. looks amazing and smokes very well.

a friend of mine taught me this trick when I had the same problem......BEFORE you start to roll, take the paper and twist it a bit at the end where it is creased(just a lil bit of the corner) on one end..... load the ganja (I usually load it a bit higher in the center, which can be dispursed evenly) and roll from the open end/middle till you get to the creased end which the weed should not fall out of.......roll up snug(not too tight!!) and enjoy!

the secret for rolling normal joints with one paper and no roach, no cones nothing fancy just a normal joint.

fold the bottom half of the paper (w/o the glue) up to the crease in the middle, then take each of the bottom corners and fold them up to the crease in the middle aswell. Proceed to fill this pouch with your weapon of choice and roll that fucker up.

if its too loose you can fix it with a second skin but you might wanna rip it in half, unless you like the taste of burning paper.