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that video is an F-4 Phantom, big - for a fighter, I've sat in one :)
Its going 800kmh if the speedo on the video is accurate? anyway...
It is valid in showing the amazing amount of destruction such an impact makes, but the conditions are too dissimilar to me.
YouTube - NASA crash plane 747 but hey....
!!ALERT!! !!ALERT!! !!ALERT!!
Shocking new evidence has just been unearthed which points to the TRUE cause, behind the 9/11 attacks.
Suck on this xblackdogx and co.
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Loved that episode..........Kyle did it!
See your new.....welcome aboard!!:joint1:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
i don't mind being singled out,
nothing to argue though
yea i feel u. and its more then just the old look up immortal techniqueQuote:
Originally Posted by friendowl
Osam Bin laden was trained by the CIA.
Bush snr was head of thre CIA, and is the only ex-president that still get CIA reports.
Geoge jnr knew something was going to happen but he didn't know it was this, he thought he was getting a puppy.
Look how much money the oil, petro-chemical and weapon companies make from this.
Every burger sold on the US bases in Iraq, a small cut goes to the firm that built the base. The same people that own these companies have intimate access to your government.
The UK's and USA's biggest export is arms and ordanance.
George Bush- Traitor to the human race.
Using your taxes to visit death on the children of people that you don't know.
your kidding me right?Quote:
1/10th the size? Try about half to a third of the size. All a bigger 757 would do is transfer more energy on impact. Reason why it blew threw 3 rings of the pentagon?
my dad was air force for 30 years, i was part of the c.a.p. for 10 years.
the phantom happens to be my fav jet ever.
your gonna tell us that a 2 seater jet is anywhere near the same size as a 200 person jumbo jet?
hahahhahahahahaha
dude, stop smoking
59. Rumsfeld announces Pentagon lost track of $2.3 trillion the day before it gets hit (CBS, DoD) attacks came near end of fiscal year & important budget information was located in the damaged area (Arlington County) large number of fatalities at Pentagon were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts (Pitt Post-Gazette)Quote:
Bullshit. First I heard of that. And also there is no way for us to know what "filing cabinet" they were in. Most likely it was stored digitally. The building in question is a top secret facility. And I doubt even the director at the Pentagon has a clue, for the most part of whats stored in what filing cabinet and where.
i see the link you posted left almost half to 3/4ths of the peoples jobs blank.Quote:
Bullshit! Out of the 125 pentagon victims, not counting anyone who was on flight 77, only 11 of them were accountants or budget analysis.
Pentagon victims list
like i said, and like the pittsburgh paper reported, a large number of bookkeepers/accountants and budget guys were killed.
first off there was ONE track, not 2, so what machine that brings spools of cable runs on one set of tracks?Quote:
And there was also construction / renovations going on to that section. Possible its old tracks from whatever left those spools there? And if as allot of these theories claim the plane was remote controlled then there would be no need for any line or visual eye markers.
was it a truck on roller blades?
oh, you mean like fox news?Quote:
The only places I've heard anything even remotely like this are people who link 9/11 to anti-semitic actions.
2001 The FBI is investigating 5 Israeli moving companies as possible fronts for Israeli intelligence.
2001 JDL's Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.
2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.
2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to "deliver furniture." The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were false positives by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.
2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.
2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.
2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released.
2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.
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Original source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html (File no longer available on Fox News.)
BRIT HUME, HOST: It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work.
Now Fox News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before Sept. 11. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part series.
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CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since Sept. 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.
i can see your not the brightest guy on here.Quote:
DNA can be extracted from bone. Cremation is a very long process. Unless these people were running at 500 mph into concrete with the same mass of an aircraft, they wouldn't just vaporize.
tellme exactly how much heat would be needed to melt one of the engines?
cause by EVERYONE'S account, there were only parts of one engine.
and then tell me how much heat you need to cremate a person.
i think you will find that if we found 99.9% of everyones dna, then we should of found ALOT more of the plane, which i hate to tell you, the engine would of been there for hours under alot more heat then is needed to cremate someone.
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You never given the police a fake name? Ever watch the show COPS when someone gets searched and they find like 5-10 stolen or fake IDs on them? Damn Ive gone threw airport security post 9/11 with weed, no questions asked.
i can not believe your thought process dude.
these were terrorist masterminds remember?
we had no clue about these guys untill 9-11 they were so smooth.
and to anwser your question, you would have to be the biggest idiot in the world to get on a plane with one id, and have your real id in your pocket.
i mean, which one is it?
are they master terrorists or high school morons?
cause even kids know when they goto a bar with a fake id, to not carry your real id.
which is another reason why i know the arabs did not do it.Quote:
Extremest do not follow the true calling of Islam. It is also a sin in there religion to commit Jihad against unarmed men, women, and children.
and yes, for ur info, extremists stilll want to get into heaven, what the fcuk do you think jihad is about?
come back after doing some research homie.
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- The impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area. (Arlington County After-Action Report)
- Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts . They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck. (South Coast Today)
Now think about it, less than 24hrs after Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld (who was on the safe side of the Pentagon when it was hit) announces his agency lost track of a mind-blowing $2.3 trillion dollars, the section that housed the people and paper trail that would know where all that money went was blown up in the most bizarre events in America's history.
to date
no one knows where that money went.
to date
no one has ever investigated where the money went.
99.9% of americans have no ideal the dod lost 1/3rd our national debt, and yet we keep giving them record amounts of money.
here is some serious reading material for those interesting in understanding why this could not of happened the way it did.
The Behaviour of Multi-storey Composite Steel Framed Structures in Response to Compartment Fires.
this one is about the cardington fire tests, and why the fireproffing on the wtc did not matter one bit.
and this bottom link is a government guy getting cut up on his 9-11 story
The Collapse: An Engineer's Perspective.
how many of you knew about the fire fighters oral history of 9-11?
it was left out of the commision report
Oral Histories From Sept. 11 Compiled by the New York Fire Department - The New York Times
over 500 fire fighters/em's and first responders, most saying they heard 2nd(and 3rd) explosions.
everyone wants to take eyewitness reports, except for these that is.
I find the conpiracy theorys interesting. That loose change movie would be quite convincing although they are a bunch of high school muppets who made it and think wikipedia is fact!idiots...
although from the 9/11 and seeing all the pictures on the news I have always wondered where the plane went to that hit the pentagon?
it was hardly 'vaporized' and why havent they released the other security camera footage which was seized? and the video they did release definitly does not long like a boeing plane! and the damage to the pentagon does not look anything like a plane hitting it! that was the only part that confused me?