Christians Beware: Jesus Kills Babies And Supports Genocide

Monty and Muddy, glad you've decided to join the conversation, but if you'll read the last page of posts or so, I think we're moving off the topic of religion persay and especially off the focus on christianity.

You're both arguing syntax and ignoring our semantics...

Sex used to be a very sacred thing. Women were very important, and special because they had the power to create life. Not of course without men. Both are equal, but woman can grow a life, and then naturally make food for them when they are born.

Sex is a need, it is about feeling wanted, and loved, and getting the ultimate orgasm from it. It is also to reproduce.

I did find it funny how the really newby up a post was saying we can't take the bible literally, yet he was taking the bible literally. Everybody but Noahs family died when he built the ark my ass! don't get me wrong, a lot of people died. We were a lot less populated back then. It was the same thing as now. We aren't taking care of ourselves, we were greedy, and envious, and hateful, and fearful. We are coming to a breaking point now, natural disasters are getting worse. Violence amangs men is getting worse...think about it. Man is more greedy than ever now, all the oil drilling, and refining. Everyone has to have a SUV. We are destroying our earth, and she isn't happy about it. If we continue, she will just get more pissed off.


I think the biggest problem in this whole discussion is all the labeling that happens. People don't mean to do it, it is a way of seperating things and being able to identify them. But who really cares what name you've given your creator. Catholics get a way bad rap. They are a business. My hubby's whole family is WAY catholic. He was confirmed and everything. But he is not a catholic, he is spiritual. He believes in reincarnation, catholics don't. Catholics have a lot of rules. GOD needs more credit than that. Do you think you have to go to a church every sunday or else god will be mad. god doesn't care where you go to be thankful to him, or just to cry too. But he can't intervien, what about free will? I got married in the catholic church, we had to go to 6 months of counseling and schooling on the institute of marriage. Then we both had to take surveys of like 180 questions. Things like do you have an STD? WTF! And when I told him no he said "are you sure?". Fucker.

But about Noah's ark, not everyone could have possibly died but those in that boat. Was there not life in the water during that time. I doubt a mear flood would do much but given them more swimming room :)

Eva

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

Religion is death and heartless bondage. A relationship with Him is freedom.

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I don't see a difference in what your talking about. Both religion and a relationship with "him" require faith and It just seems like another organization of people worshiping the same God.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

First religion is bad. Religious people crucified Jesus. Religious people fought the crusades. Religious people killed our friends on 9/11.

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Religion is a business. Spirituality has been tarnished by the label of religion. They are not the same thing.

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What true Christianity is, is a relationship with God.[QUOTE]


Wrong again, that would be the description of spirituality.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

This is a very personal thing and some things people argue about are just doctrinal issues that don't really matter to much so long as the core truth is followed. (For example whether a Christian can drink alcohol or not).

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Those dumass stipulations are the reason it is not of god. god just wants us to be good, love one another, and have self control. He also wants us to experience, and learn, and grow.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

Now I have said I really enjoy these discussions and I get into them a lot. In order to have a good discussion I think we need to keep a few things in mind. We can not always tell through a message board if someone is being serious or joking, so give folks the benfiet of the doubt until proven otherwise.

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Keeping that in mind, I will forwarn you that I may at times come across as harsh. But that is because I am being honest to the best of my ability, and it may seem harsh because it is blunt.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

The Bible has more books and historical manuscripts that back it up proving it to be accurate than any other book ever written. I'm talking about writings from people outside the faith and Greek and Roman government officials.

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Of course the bible is "special". And I do believe a lot of it happend. But I also believe it to be a very vague source of information in this time. Due to all the editing, and versions. It is more like a book BASED on a true story.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

Also, we need to be careful how we use the text. I can pick it apart and get it to say whatever I want. Always look at context. For example look at the first post in this thread. Yes, God called for some people to be completely whiped out. Why? There are two things that God will not stand for and that is dishonoring Him and dishonoring His people. Do you think maybe there's a reason why despite centuries of violence no nation has been able to destroy the Jewish people?

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

The flood didn't happen just because God was angry at a few people. It was the entire population except for Noah and his family that had turned away from God and was living in sin.

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I could poke wholes in this stuff all day. But, are we suposed to take the bible literally or not. because you said to be careful how you use the text, yet you actually believe that everyone but Noah, his family, and 2 of every animal survived this flood, because everyone else was living in sin.


For one thing god doesn't get angry. Give him more creadit than to carry such a low vibration as anger. And the whole world but those on the ark didn't die. It is a big world and they barely knew if it was round or not. How the hell would this be KNOWN for a FACT that they were the only ones to exist. All the dinos were long gone too, yet there are reptiles that are actually dated to that era.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

Also, handle the text properly in terms of Old and New Testament. The Law, which was given to Moses and taught the people is Old Testament and people added to that. This was wrong. Jesus came to be the ultimate sacrifice. Under the Law there was the annual sacrifice for the atonement of the sins of the people. Jesus was the final sacrifice. We are no longer under the Law. He is now our doorway to God. He said no man comes to the Father except through Him. We no longer need to get wrapped up trying to live under the Law and other religious mechanical actions. Religion is death and heartless bondage. A relationship with Him is freedom.

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Again, a huge contracticion in the same paragraph. Handle the text properly, yet you hold to the christian belief that jesus was a sacrafice for our sins. How bout, jesus was a seed. He planted something, and went through huge sacrafices of his own, to plant spirituality firmly in everyones mind forever. It is a christian misconception that only through Jesus can we find god. Again, give god more credit.

Eva

PS That one quote is screwed up and can't fix it, so I tried :)

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Originally Posted by siSTARindigo

Not to mention the fact that we have no clue, as humans, if there are other galexies. We have not even begun to be able to present facts about life on other planets,and there is no way of knowing any facts as to wether or not they have residents, or even the likelyhood of any of it. We have been to what 2 planets? Of how many? Yet you have still formed an uneducated "opinion" about it.

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I have to respectfully say that you're 100 percent wrong. The field of scientific study you're talking about here is astrobiology. We're about as sure as shit that there are other galaxies out there (You can see them with even a weak telescope). Even ignoring other galaxies, the Milky Way has TRILLIONS of stars, planets are, to the best of our knowledge, quite common (The big debate is how many of them are gas giants, which are not likely to have life). You've obviously never heard of the Drake Equation, which is our way of knowing the likelyhood of alien civilizations.

Also, we found chemical reactions that "imitate life" outside of our own planet. life is loosely defined, but under any definition these reactions are interesting because they recreate conditions that many people speculate may have caused life on our own planet.

It's a young field of science and nothing is really "for sure" (as a scientist you should know, it never is) but to say we have no idea is just a bit ignorant.

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Originally Posted by streettrash

We're about as sure as shit that there are other galaxies out there...

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Oops :stoned: . I should have been all over that one, thanks for catching it.

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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420

Oops :stoned: . I should have been all over that one, thanks for catching it.

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What are you? The thought-police? :dance:

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

What are you? The thought-police? :dance:

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That thought is illegal!!! I'm sending the pigs!

Nah, i just try to stay on top of misconseptions about astronomy and our Universe. Atleast on things I do know.

[QUOTE=streettrash]I have to respectfully say that you're 100 percent wrong. [QUOTE]

I will graciously admit that I am not a person who would actual know. You sound educated on the subject. But I would like to point out that I was fighting for the fact of existance, rather than against it.

I very much believe that there is other life out there. And they are just to smart to be found. They know what we would do to them.

Anyway, always love to hear something scientific backing up my beliefs. So thanks :)

Eva

I don't know what my problem is with the quotes.