Does the past is real?

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Originally Posted by TheGreatBenzino

Man, Your not even worth my time. you are the FIRST hater i have seen on this site. You will find anything, to bitch about. Your area must be dry....smoke a bowl relax.


oh and.....PAST!

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u might want to watch out, he's good at ratting/reporting people that he can't get his way with. so watch out as he's always starting trouble and no one says a thing to him. and when u piss him off he'll act like a lil kid and start trying to find stuff wrong with u, like u did'nt spell this just right or that. u know how kids in grade school act when they don't get there, way opps i guess theres another point headed my way for speaking, meanwhile this joker here trolls all over this site to find someone to smart off to any chance he gets, and noone says a thing. lol just beware what u say on here thats all im gonna say.

Who the h*ll is Coelho??:D

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Originally Posted by afghooey

I've been thinking about this, and it raises some interesting questions..

If the future already exists, what becomes of novelty, spontaneity, and choice? From our perspective of reality, our limited view of the fourth dimension, these things make sense. But if everything has already happened, so to speak, outside of the confines of our limited perspective, then our fates are already determined, no?

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That is a good point.

It would seem that if this model were true, then the future is determined. But we percieve that we do make choices and our choices do make a difference to the future --- I've always believed that. So maybe this idea is just wrong. Or maybe there is some way that we have free choice within our moment-by-moment perspective, but when you look at the entirety of time from outside of our moment-by-moment perspective, we have already made our choices. Is that possible?

It always gets crazy when you try to look at things outside of the way you experinece them in your everyday life. Basically, you have to live your life as if reality is the way you experience it and your choices matter.

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Originally Posted by Bluntmasterbabe

Who the h*ll is Coelho??:D

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Coelho is who started the thread and wrote the title you asked about.
Beyond that, Coelho is a mystery....

Oh...Lmao...duh:D

Man...I'm stoned...:S2:

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Originally Posted by TheGreatBenzino

Man, Your not even worth my time. you are the FIRST hater i have seen on this site. You will find anything, to bitch about. Your area must be dry....smoke a bowl relax.


oh and.....PAST!

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Lol, this is a good one, a troll who doesnt realize he is being trolled.

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Originally Posted by Bluntmasterbabe

Oh...Lmao...duh:D

Man...I'm stoned...:S2:

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I love that kind of conversation!
What were we talking about again?

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

That is a good point.

It would seem that if this model were true, then the future is determined. But we percieve that we do make choices and our choices do make a difference to the future --- I've always believed that. So maybe this idea is just wrong. Or maybe there is some way that we have free choice within our moment-by-moment perspective, but when you look at the entirety of time from outside of our moment-by-moment perspective, we have already made our choices. Is that possible?

It always gets crazy when you try to look at things outside of the way you experinece them in your everyday life. Basically, you have to live your life as if reality is the way you experience it and your choices matter.

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If you follow String theory, and quantum physics in general, they state that if there is no way to determine what is going to happen for certain, 100%, at a specific moment, then everything that was possible to happen at that moment happens, but all in seperate alternate universes.

If this is true, then its possible for the "future" to be predetermined, but for us to still have the illusion of free will, and in some ways, it not be an illusion.

I am not so sure how much I buy into the infinite alternate universes idea, even though it is fundamental to quantum physics... but it is another way to look at it.

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Originally Posted by imitator

Lol, this is a good one, a troll who doesnt realize he is being trolled.

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Actually, i wasnt trolling, i posted on this one before... AND i may have judged you on your reply to me, it could of been a sarcastic remark, but after hearing about you, i'm not so sure i jumped the gun. but still with that said.... sorry for the possible character judge, I'll give you another chance.

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Originally Posted by imitator

If you follow String theory, and quantum physics in general, they state that if there is no way to determine what is going to happen for certain, 100%, at a specific moment, then everything that was possible to happen at that moment happens, but all in seperate alternate universes.

If this is true, then its possible for the "future" to be predetermined, but for us to still have the illusion of free will, and in some ways, it not be an illusion.

I am not so sure how much I buy into the infinite alternate universes idea, even though it is fundamental to quantum physics... but it is another way to look at it.

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I've heard that theory too --- that the universe is constantly splitting into infinite universes. Every possible thing that can happen at any given time actually does happen in one of those universes. In regards to free will, the universe we experience reflects our own personal choices; however, there are an infinite number of universes, containing an infinite number of other possible choices we could have made.

I don't know if I buy it either, but I guess it is useful for explaing some quantum physics.

One reassuring thing that you can take from this theory is that if you ever regret a choice, you can be consoled by the fact that in an infinite number of alternative universes, you made a different choice!