Conspiracy people give me a break

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Originally Posted by vostro

Of course people can be corrupt. Maybe if we're playing a definition game on that level it's helpful to be clear on what is meant by conspiracy. Cooperating with someone in planning to break the law is technically conspiracy. By that definition, there are thousands of conspiracies forming and executing every hour across the world. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about GWB and Bin Laden being golf buddies because his relatives fled US public persecution after 9/11, which anyone with a preservation instinct would have done. I'm talking about people who think that Jews/Illuminati/Underground Reptilian Aliens control the Earth.

Are we all getting fucked by the international banking system? Yeah. Anybody who has bothered to look into non-secret, if sometimes technical, facts knows that. It's nothing to get all saucer-eyed about.

I got a $10 bill for whoever is reading this that before you plant yourself on your death bed you will do something that someone, somewhere would classify as corrupt. Once again, if your position really had strength your best defense wouldn't be against an argument that I never made.

As for you mfqr, you got me. The jig is up. I was really pullin the wool until you showed up.

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Wow, I've never seen a disinfo agent admit it so quickly, or even admit it at all. Well, that's good then.

By the way, shapeshifting reptillians from the fourth dimension do exist, whether you'd like to believe it or not. They are working with the Bush administration and the global elite right now, as we speak, to get the next "terrorist" attack underway, so that the U.S. may then have a "reason" to go into a police state.
Ok, I'm joking.

As for the Illuminati, the Illuminati did/does exist. However, it's shrouded in mystery. That doesn't mean that everybody that knows of the Illuminati thinks they are involved in some big conspiracy. That is such a misrepresentation of them... although I wouldn't doubt it if they were. But really, nobody knows if they are involved in conspiracies. But the fact is, they did exist, and may still exist. Go look it up, there's some history on them -- especially the Bavarian Illuminati.

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Originally Posted by vostro

Scientific discourse and personal conclusions are both based off of observational experience. That is the link in a more condensed format if my explanation was too abstract.

To answer your question in 1000 words, I have attached an image of a crackpot.

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And I, unlike you, will reply with something that completely proves you wrong instead of a goofy image of Rosie that accomplishes nothing and proves nothing. I feel bad for people that always argue their side with stupid pictures... wtf?

Yet again..
"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller, â??Memoirsâ?�, 2002

I feel bad for those people too, which is why I don't "always" argue my side with stupid pictures. Good to know we're on the same team. Anybody have anything to contribute to this thread besides undeveloped ideas, rehashed, irrelevant quotes, or rhetoric? We should close it at this rate.

To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution. If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional. To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness.

That a ruling power elite does indeed control the U.S. government behind the scenes has been attested to by many Americans in a position to know. Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the Supreme Court (1939-1962), said: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." In a letter to an associate dated November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote, "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

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Originally Posted by Ballast

To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution. If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional. To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness.

That a ruling power elite does indeed control the U.S. government behind the scenes has been attested to by many Americans in a position to know. Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the Supreme Court (1939-1962), said: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." In a letter to an associate dated November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote, "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

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You could at least give credit to who actually wrote your whole post there.

Vostro you seem to be losing interest in your own thread , could that be because you took a stance you're finding difficult to defend ?
You claim that all conspiracy "nuts" are wrong and then backtrack to say "well I only meant the ones who believe in the Bin Laden /Bush connection" BTW that connection is real and the companies owned by them are now reaping big bucks from the war started by Bush/ Bin Laden , so maybe you should think before spouting so much rhetoric wether there IS any link between the so called "War on Terror" and the specific interests of a few powerful people.

If it smells as bad as it does you can bet theres something rotten.

I'm losing interest because there's no one responding to my arguments. There have been a handful of reasonable replies. Most though, like the one you just posted, are making undeveloped assertions and attacking gross mischaracterizations of my argument.

"well I only meant the ones who believe in the Bin Laden /Bush connection" shouldn't be in quotes because it's not something I ever said. It would seem you're either too high or too deeply steeped in denial to admit that it is reasonable to break down conspiracies into categories - whose credibility, depending on the class, is more or less subject to question.

"BTW" that connection is not real, and a prime example of the "I'm enlightened and know the real truth that everyone else doesn't know so doesn't that feel good for my ego" fantasy that you are living in.

You tell me "maybe I should think before..." without explaining what makes me appear to not have thought except that I completely disagree with you. You sound ridiculous. Then closing with what looked roughly like an attempt at wisdom.

There's no point in having a thread whose purpose is to exchange "Nuh uh" "Uh huh" "Nuh uh" "Uh huh" quips. Very little in substance, boring, and childish. If someone out there has something to add besides unsubstantiated assertions or sophisticated versions of "You're stupid because you disagree with me" I hope you will add it to the thread. If you're too baked to follow the conversation maybe it would be good if you found another thread. Although this is Cannabis.com, so... in light of that psychocat your comments have been well-constructed, thoughtful, cogent, and enlightening. By you saying "BTW the connection is real" you have really made me reconsider the world I am living in. With a statement like that, how could I not? BTW, the Care Bears are real too. GWB is a Care Bear, but you don't know it because he's a shape shifter. Bin Laden? Also a shapeshifting Care Bear. You've presented as much evidence to support both conclusions.

If Fahrenheit 911 impacted your understanding of politics, please let me know so I don't waste any keystrokes responding to you.

Typical !
You have to be completely blind not to see that the connection between the Bin Ladens and Bush family is as real as anything can be.

You talk but you don't seem to think before you do so.

You continue living with your head in the sand if you want but it doesn't change that the connection is there and has been for a long time.
Your carebears bullshit is simply an attempt to be facetious instead of simply sticking to my point of WAR is good for both the Bin Ladens and Bush because of thier vested interests in companies that supply the weapons among other things.

BTW I have no need to feel superior to anyone or better informed and I have made no such claim.
I really don't care what happens to the human race since I am actualy a bit of a sociopath who would much prefer anarchy to the bullshit system that now exists.

I'm skeptical of most conspiracy theories. The only one I have any real belief in is a conspiracy between Big Oil and the Auto industry.

Anyway, here are two good (and funny) reasons why a lot of conspiracies don't make sense (especially all the 9/11 ones out there):

Official Website for the Titanic truth movement.

and don't forget this one:

There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons.

Enough said.

Would you care to share the name of a book, any book, that you have ever read on the political philosophy of anarchy? In its real academic form, I think anarchy is actually a very benign political philosophy. In its real form, everything would be 100% privatized. Even defense. The word anarchy in the realm of political philosophy does not mean people running around setting everything on fire. The problem with implementation, like other political philosophies, is a practical one. It would depend upon universal adoption, which is unrealistic at best.

In the last election, between Bush, Cheney, Edwards, and Kerry, Bush was worth the least amount of money. He's worth about $13M. That's a lot of money, sure. As rich people go that's nothing. Where I used to live in Florida you couldn't buy a house in several neighborhoods for less than $15M. For all the charges of profiteering, where is all the money? Or I bet you have a few fantasies that answer that question too.