Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by jakez
This is what happens everytime, we are talking about talking about the real topic at hand, what I mean is, instead of discussing his questions for Kerry here and what his real motive was, we are discussing what has happened when he tried to talk to him, avoiding the real topic at hand, which is John Kerry and the questions. Every time someone speaks out with information like this everyone's discussion is focused on their actions and talking about why they said that and not WHAT THEY SAID!
It's the same thing with the war, moveon.org publishes an ad that some people don't like so we decide to talk about talking about the war instead of talking about the war itself.
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
Noooo. The "Real Topic".... The real topic is what the first poster made. If you wanna talk about that stuff then make a new topic.
???? I was on topic.
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that you wanted to talk about the questions he asked and referred to it as the "real topic".
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
He was tased so they could get the hand cuffs on him. Did it not work? They could of risked injury on themselves and Meyer if they decided to wrestle with him. They could of just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well. They took the best route and he seemed fine when they took him out of the hall. My mind is free; it is yours that seems hung up.
You seem to be dismissing the fact that a bunch of cops were holding him down. With all that muscle power, why would they need to tase him? How could they not have handcuffed him without the taser? Your argument makes no sense. Your mind isn't free, you're supporting police brutality with the idea that "he could have hurt the cops, or himself." Explain that one, because last time I checked, they had him pinned down. Obviously he couldn't do a thing to hurt the cops. This is police brutality, and it is you who has been manipulated to support it.
"They could have just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well". Hypothetically speaking, if they didn't have tasers, would you have supported this course of action?
You clearly don't understand those cops (that's plural) holding him down already had him subdued, for the most part. It would have just taken a minute or two longer to get the cuffs on him. Oh, but of course, that's really inconvenient for the cops, right? So, if it's inconvenient for the cops to spend a little extra time to prevent the violent act of using a taser, then the person who committed the so-called crime should be tased. Is this right? I'm not sure, I can't really predict your arguments, because I have not been manipulated to support police brutality, and the impending police state.
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Post me a link my friend that states that in case that you feel your being arrested withour a just cause you can fight the cops.
Have a good one!:s4:
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.
...have a good one :thumbsup:
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Post me a link my friend that states that in case that you feel your being arrested withour a just cause you can fight the cops.
Have a good one!:s4:
and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..and in this case, regardless of if the kid was just being escorted out in the first place, there was no reason for the cops to even put his hands on him, he was merely asking questions, and fortunately, as some weirdos say, we're fighting in Iraq for our 'rights and freedoms' haha, yeah, whatever, but this is a country where it's citizens have rights..
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by Markass
and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..and in this case, regardless of if the kid was just being escorted out in the first place, there was no reason for the cops to even put his hands on him, he was merely asking questions, and fortunately, as some weirdos say, we're fighting in Iraq for our 'rights and freedoms' haha, yeah, whatever, but this is a country where it's citizens have rights..
He has a history there.......he was being walked out and started to resist as was VERY clear in all the vids. So where is the unjust arrest?
Have a good one!:s4:
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
If the arrest itself is a false arrest(one for no reason)..then there is no resisting arrest, because technically he's not being arrested...they had NO reason to even put their hands on him.
Did you miss the higher court cases I posted before the post you quoted?
There is no such crime as "resisting arrest." This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen's right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen's attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.
Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:
"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
In other words, Andrew Meyer would have been justified in using whatever reasonable means necessary to defend his life against his assailants. The gang of six individuals who assaulted Meyer, regardless of what clothing and badges they were wearing, were threatening his safety and his life. They assaulted him with a dangerous and potentially deadly weapon, and they kidnapped him by forcefully removing him from the room against his will.
Was Meyer being annoying to others by taking up air time at the microphone? Perhaps so. But being annoying is not a crime. If it were, John Kerry, President Bush and practically elected official in the country should be arrested. They're all far more annoying than Meyer.
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by mfqr
You seem to be dismissing the fact that a bunch of cops were holding him down. With all that muscle power, why would they need to tase him? How could they not have handcuffed him without the taser? Your argument makes no sense. Your mind isn't free, you're supporting police brutality with the idea that "he could have hurt the cops, or himself." Explain that one, because last time I checked, they had him pinned down. Obviously he couldn't do a thing to hurt the cops. This is police brutality, and it is you who has been manipulated to support it.
"They could have just beat him with a baton until he submitted as well". Hypothetically speaking, if they didn't have tasers, would you have supported this course of action?
You clearly don't understand those cops (that's plural) holding him down already had him subdued, for the most part. It would have just taken a minute or two longer to get the cuffs on him. Oh, but of course, that's really inconvenient for the cops, right? So, if it's inconvenient for the cops to spend a little extra time to prevent the violent act of using a taser, then the person who committed the so-called crime should be tased. Is this right? I'm not sure, I can't really predict your arguments, because I have not been manipulated to support police brutality, and the impending police state.
Like I said, they could of wrestled with him. Now right before they buzzed him he was using his free hand to gain leverage on a chair. If they proceeded to try to pull him over and they broke his arm you would still be crying police brutality. Was Meyer disabled in the video afterwards? Did the shock actually injure him? I haven't heard of any injuries received because of the shock therefore calling police brutality for this case is slap in the face to all the REAL cases of police brutality.
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by Markass
and keep in mind, that it's not feeling you're arrested without just cause, it's if you ARE being arrested without just cause..
You are not under arrest until you are read your Miranda rights. Police can still detain you with cuffs while they perform an investigation. And if you know youâ??re innocent of said crime how do you know the police believe the same? Nothing in the constitution allows oneself to self judge ones own innocents. That is why we have a jury of our peers, justice is truly blind. This kid was not under arrest until he started to resist, simple.
If I talked back to my parent as a kid I wouldn't be sitting comfortably for the next few days, but I would have learned my lesson. Same is true for the tazed kid, if he had followed the forum rules and did not be rude and cut people off then maybe he would not have been asked to leave and have it snowball downhill from there on. This guy WAS on private property and has to adhere to the rules set forth. He resisted leaving the place on his own so force was necessary to remove him. Later on you can hear him say "if you let me go I will just leave", why did he not just leave when first told to? He was guilty of disorderly conduct, and got what he had coming. Too many people today lack discipline and respect for anything.
Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
Like I said, they could of wrestled with him. Now right before they buzzed him he was using his free hand to gain leverage on a chair. If they proceeded to try to pull him over and they broke his arm you would still be crying police brutality. Was Meyer disabled in the video afterwards? Did the shock actually injure him? I haven't heard of any injuries received because of the shock therefore calling police brutality for this case is slap in the face to all the REAL cases of police brutality.
Break his arm? LOL. Now you're just resorting to making up hypothetical situations and using them as an argument.
Um, in case you didn't know, getting tased hurts quite a bit. It doesn't have to "injure" someone to be police brutality. By the way, there have been deaths from tasers. Of course, that is when police are using more than one taser. And yes, that is police brutality - worse than this video. This video isn't bad police brutality, but it is police brutality nonetheless.
If there were no tasers, would you have supported the concept of beating him into submission with a baton? In your other post you said that would have worked as well. Would you have supported that course of action if no tasers were available? Because apparently you think the dude was dangerous to the handful of cops and himself. I truly think that is a ridiculous thing to say when a bunch of cops already pretty much wrestled him to the floor. He was using his other arm to try and get away... but oh, wait, I guess 6 cops aren't strong enough to pull his arm into place to handcuff him.
