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i guess the elections in afghanistan didnt happen.
i guess the ukraine didnt happen.
i guess the elections in beirut ddidnt happen.
womens suffrage in kuwait didnt happen either.
no two party elections in egypt?
your on the wrong side of history my freiend.
and good luck with that anarchy thing.
Oh, so they get to choose their leader now. That's a perfectly good excuse for killing a whole bunch of them. :rolleyes: By the way, if you're really dedicated to this "forcing democracy on everybody" idea, why not invade Myanmar and China and Belarus and Indonesia and a slew of sub-Saharan African nations? Oh right, they don't have oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
I guess we're still getting bombed by fucking terrorists. 4 years and I guess we havn't changed anything we went out to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Why do you constantly talk about another imminent terrorist attack in the US btw? Such doubt (but with good cause).
hey people open up your fucking eyes and realize that terrorism existed WAY before this war in iraq. There will always be terrorism, i dont think we will ever be able to get rid of it. The only thing we can do it try to slow it down in some way. Why did they lable this as terrorism so fast?...well fucking put 2 and 2 together, any act of blowing shit up like this is terrorism, doesnt matter who is behind it...innocent people dying like this is terrorism. Its so fucking black and white.
Im personally sick and fucking tired of reading all you people post how this is bush and blaire's fault. Why do you still seem to sympathize with the terrorists instead of those who want to stop them? Why do you reach to justify their tactics by spitting on ours? I cant even begin to understand the way some of you all think. This war in iraq does nobody good, but terrorism is much worse and has heen around much longer.
To all those in london, injured or dead, my prayers go out to you.
You're right, you can't just "get rid of all the terrorists". That's why Bush's and Blair's terrorism (that's right, it doesn't stop being terrorism when the guys killing innocent civilians as a means to a political end are our own leaders) isn't going to get us anywhere either. I'm not saying that all the terrorism is their fault, just that it's only going to get more intense when we bomb countries we think have some terrorists in them. When somebody explains to me how invading Iraq and Afghanistan will do anything to stop terrorism any better than invading Northern Ireland would, I'm all ears, but I see them only as wars that are going to turn more people to acts of violence against innocent people. I'm not "sympathizing with the terrorists" just because I oppose inefficient means to stopping terrorism. Just because I don't like Bush and Blair's inefficient solution to the problem does NOT mean I'm siding with Al-Qaeda. Bush's statement that you're either with him or with the terrorists is just ludicrous. I'm against ALL forms of terrorism, whether performed by governments or individuals, and the best way to prevent it from happening again would be to withdraw from the Middle East, say we're sorry and let them run their own society as they see fit. These people aren't being violent because they hate freedom, they're being violent because we keep sending our soldiers to their countries.
exactly. and trashing the constitution doesn't keep anyone safe from terrorism either. national id cards and homeland security and the end of posse comitatus won't keep us safe.
the endgame of troops on the streets and in malls and everywhere we go and all crime considered terrorism (section 802 of the patriot act), martial law, won't keep us safe.
giant government certainly isn't going to keep us safe.
This isn't like WW2. We're not so much protecting ourselves as invading and blowing the shit out of another country. I never knew the 'keep-firing-and-your-bound-to-hit-home' strategy was so popular.
So far off into fairyland it's incredible! There are many different interpretations to the Quran...this is a little of what the "terrorists" are getting out of it:
...Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them. Lo! Allah guids not these wrongdoing people. (Quran Surah 5:51)
And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can overcome. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all you can by armed force...(Quran; Surah 8:59-60a)
...slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare to ambush them. But if they repent and establish [Islamic] worship...their way is free. Lo! Allah is forgiving and Merciful. (Quran; Surah 9:5)
...Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them...(Quran; Surah 9:73)
Doesn't look to much to me like they want to kiss and make up!
Well, Bush's God isn't much better at disapproving of genocide. I think Noam Chomsky put it best:
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You can find things in the traditional religions which are very benign and decent and wonderful and so on, but I mean, the Bible is probably the most genocidal book in the literary canon. The God of the Bible - not only did He order His chosen people to carry out literal genocide - I mean, wipe out every Amalekite to the last man, woman, child, and, you know, donkey and so on, because hundreds of years ago they got in your way when you were trying to cross the desert - not only did He do things like that, but, after all, the God of the Bible was ready to destroy every living creature on earth because some humans irritated Him. That's the story of Noah. I mean, that's beyond genocide - you don't know how to describe this creature. Somebody offended Him, and He was going to destroy every living being on earth? And then He was talked into allowing two of each species to stay alive - that's supposed to be gentle and wonderful.