Does the past is real?

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If the past no longer exists, what is it that makes it no longer exist, if not time?

Actually I maintain the opposite view, that the past exists forever. If the universe is in fact infinite, then the past travels throughout the universe, just as when we look into very distant galaxies, we actually see what these galaxies were like millions and even billions of years ago because of how long it takes light to travel.

So the past exists forever, it just depends on your vantage point.

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Honestly, that makes sense BUT what we see in these crazy ass telescopes when looking into galaxies like these is actually only light that reflects back taking light years to travel and sends us the resulting image... it's not actually the past,
however it is a record of the past.

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Originally Posted by tha_green_ghost

Honestly, that makes sense BUT what we see in these crazy ass telescopes when looking into galaxies like these is actually only light that reflects back taking light years to travel and sends us the resulting image... it's not actually the past,
however it is a record of the past.

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Tomato, Tomahto :) Basically the same thing, I say.

It's all in the vantage point. To us, if we observe something that explodes a light year away, it's new news, but if you're at the point of the explosion, it happened a year ago.

Extrapolating on your view, we could say that we've never observed anything in the present, only records of the past, as light and sound always take some time to travel to our senses, regardless of how small.

not that that matters, or that there's anything wrong with that, it's all on how you want to view the world.

Yeah, I agree. It's all about how you look at things. There are so many aspects to view this subject from. I'm glad we can discuss this respectfully.

After all, we are all human and curious about this world/universe. -PEACE

i love how most people try to find and believe in anything but the truth they go out of there way to try and prove it wrong ....

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i love how most people try to find and believe in anything but the truth they go out of there way to try and prove it wrong ....

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whatever yo'

and btw what's "does the past is right " mean??

It means he was REALLY HIGH:rasta: when he wrote this RFLMAO:D

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

i love how most people try to find and believe in anything but the truth they go out of there way to try and prove it wrong ....

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If there was a universal, known truth, people wouldnt be spending their time asking what the truth was.

I am happy that you have found your truth, I truely am, but I think its very petty of you to belittle those who havent found their truth, and very ignorant of you to assume that only your truth is the correct one and the rest of us are wrong.

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

u don't really warrent a response, u always have some dumb shit to say to try to twist my words to mean something they don't. and there is only 1 truth no matter how u dance around it. what i said is most people are always on the fence and seem to go out of there way to prove something wrong. and most don't even know anything about what they trying to disprove. but it don't matter as the always seem to call out for help when they need it, or blame the 1 they "don't believe in" and curse him because there life is'nt working out thats what im saying. and no im not gonna get in to a pissing contest as it takes to long to reel this beast out so there u go.

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A pissing contest? I could have sworn it was a thread discussing things, must have missed that memo.

You state that there is one truth, only one, no matter what. Thats a fine statement, but one that can not be backed up with actual evidence.

Is there something wrong with spending your time trying to prove what you see around you wrong? Wouldnt you end up reaching the same "conclusion" as the one you have reached, assuming your beliefs are correct? If what they are trying to prove wrong is a truth, then its impossible to prove it wrong using any kind of sound logic, and the more time that a person spent trying to prove it wrong, the more they would realize that it wasnt wrong, no?

Is everyone, or even a majority, all blaming the same person/place/thing/item?

I am trying hard to avoid discussing any of your personal beliefs, as they have been discussed before, and its more then likely pointless to try to rehash that discussion. But is it safe to assume that your comments about ignoring the "one truth" and "blaming the 1 they dont believe in" are references to your beliefs and faith?

It is fine to use your beliefs as the basis for your point/arguement, its nigh impossible to not do so in some manner when having a discussion. Even stating that you believe something to be the truth in this world... but you are attacking and insulting others if you state that only your truth is the true one, and nothing else can exist. Thats what I am saying, and you may not have intended to come off like that, but I dont think I was the only one to read that from what you said.

Now as for your reasons for not wanting to dicuss this with me, personally I find them nothing but a bunch of bullhonkey, but to each their own. Id hope you would be able to handle having a discussion with someone who might not agree with what you believe. Id hope you would be able to have a discussion with someone without constantly harping on past subjects discussed, or past things said.

If thats not the case, then I apologize for wasting your time, and I will put you on ignore so that I dont accidently respond to anything else you post, as I dont really pay attention to who is saying what when I reply.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Actually I maintain the opposite view, that the past exists forever. If the universe is in fact infinite, then the past travels throughout the universe, just as when we look into very distant galaxies, we actually see what these galaxies were like millions and even billions of years ago because of how long it takes light to travel.

So the past exists forever, it just depends on your vantage point.

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Some believe that our experience of time, one moment at a time, is only due to the fact that we cannot percieve the wholeness of time. In that theory, time is not really a series of moments strung together. All time --- past, present and future --- all of them exisit forever, and at the same "time." Time is just another dimension, like the spatial dimensions that we recongnize as space, but for some reason we experience time as a flow and can only percieve it a moment at a time. But in reality it exists in its entirety, just like space does.