Atheism

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

and as for evolution, it's quite obvious, given that even the bible says that 1 day in the hevens (the astral, or psychic bond) is 1000 years on earth.

that proves that it took at least 6000 years to make earth.

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No, it "proves" nothing more than any creation myth of any culture. Some cultures say the world was hatched from an egg, but that doesn't prove that the world actually hatched from an egg.

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i, however, think that the people either fudged, or lied, or misinterpreted 1,000,000,000.

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I think that people could not have possibly known their history 1,000,000,000 years into the past. They didn't even have a word for "billion" back then. Was somebody counting the billions of years? Or did the God who never reveals anything about himself tell the writers of the Bible?

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lol but that's just my gut feeling on the matter.

so let's say im right, that means the earth was 7,000,000,000 years old before "satan" defiled it.

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Well, if we want to put down the ancient books and actually look at the scientific evidence, we find that the Earth is about 4,500,000,000 years old. I don't know about you, but to me dating rocks is a much more reliable method of finding out the age of the Earth than reinterpreting ancient books in which ancient peoples wrote down how old they thought it was.

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which makes humanity a lot older than humans first believed.

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But we only have human fossils dating back 100,000 or 200,000 years. If you can find some 7,000,000,000 year old human fossils, well, that would be something!

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it is from that perspective of mine that i decide that for 1 billion years, humans were gods.

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And where's your proof? Or did you just pull this right out of your ass again?

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and in a short amount of time (years passed like days with their godly paitence) their new king (now that god's done resting) defiled them and locked their divinity in their genes, deep in the bones.

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This is where it gets into things so ridiculous I'm not even going to bother with them.

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Name one. Just one. Even if you did find something which modern scientific theory hasn't been able to explain yet, it doesn't prove that evolution is flawed. QUOTE]

The major flaw of evolution is you can't apply Bacon Scientific Method to it's principles. Still, evolution is the best explaination so far. People forget it's a theory, but the most scrutinized theory. It deserves it merit.

I don't understand how people can be atheist. How do you not feel spirituality in life? The balance of mind, body and soul simply can't be explained in a science book. It takes a little faith as well.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

The major flaw of evolution is you can't apply Bacon Scientific Method to it's principles. Still, evolution is the best explaination so far. People forget it's a theory, but the most scrutinized theory. It deserves it merit.

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When you speak about the "theory" of evolution it is important to realize that the scientific definition of "theory" is not the same as the way the word is used in everyday conversation. A theory is not just a guess as to how things might have happened, but a model of how the world works that is backed up by data. Theories can never be proven 100% true, but with many theories, such as evolution, we can show that they're extremely likely. There really is no other real scientific theory about how life came to be. There's "intelligent design", but that's not scientific at all since it doesn't make any falsifiable statements and doesn't correct itself according to the data. It's really more of a game to see how many holes they can punch into the prevailing theory — they don't actually make any predictions about what we should find in the future or present any models for how life came to be. They just say "God did it" and give the matter no more thought.

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I don't understand how people can be atheist. How do you not feel spirituality in life? The balance of mind, body and soul simply can't be explained in a science book. It takes a little faith as well.

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What do you mean by "spirituality", or the "balance of mind, body and soul", and why can such things exist only if there is a deity or deities? I just haven't ever experienced anything which would suggest to me that there is a God or many gods out there. There's nothing in my life that is only explainable in terms of gods. Whatever they are. Hardly anybody is willing to tell me what gods are supposed to be in the first place, and those who do have widely divergent definitions. When somebody can sit me down, explain to me what gods are and what the evidence is that shows beyond a doubt that such things exist, I will incorporate them into my worldview. In the meantime, I live a very happy and fulfilling life in which I only assume the existence of things which can be shown to exist.

Hmmm... Electricity is "only" a theory, nobody's ever seen any electrons go anywhere... So how can we be sure it exists? I say it's secular propaganda.

Gravity is "only" a theory, I think it is the almighty hand of God that keeps on Earth.

Relativity is "only" a theory... The foundation of all modern physics is just some Jew's plot to take over the world...


How does that sound? That what people who don't "believe" in evolution (it's not a faith, it's science) sound like to me.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

And just because we don't know where the universe came from does not mean that God made it.

Name one. Just one. Even if you did find something which modern scientific theory hasn't been able to explain yet, it doesn't prove that evolution is flawed. There's just so much evidence in its favor that something very close to our modern understanding of evolution is going on. If there was any "proof" it was wrong, the scientific community would have abandoned it long ago. Scientists are always looking for proof of new and better theories to explain the universe. But I have not seen one single shred of evidence which points to an alternative explanation for the origins of life.

Retarded? Could you provide an alternative explanation for the fossil record? Why do we see skeletons of homo australopithecus, homo habilis, homo erectus, and then homo sapiens in the fossil record? And why, when we do radio-carbon dating on them, do they seem to follow a sequence, as if one came after the other? Why does the fossil record come in "layers" with simpler creatures on the bottom in the oldest layers and more advanced creatures in the newer layers? Did God just make it look like evolution happened to trick us?

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Their is faults many I watched 9 two hour movies about it. Did you know that they found a fossilized cowboy boot thatwas 50-60 years old. If you want proof then I could send you a video about it or give you a number that you can call.

I recall some one talking about how God has no beginning or end which is retarded I hate to say it but evolution preeches that their is no beggining or end to the universe every so many trillions of years the big bang happens an everything gets sucked into a lil dot then some time later the big bang happens again.

god and religion was created by "superioirs" as a way of life.

thats all the bible is, a way a life

there is no god, y would our creater never do anything, just watch us die and suffer

u bible huggers tell us that its all faith

BULL SHIT





BULLSHIT!

evolution makes more sense then anything out there.

the only thing i think is flawed about evolution is the fact everythihng was created by gases. id like to no where the gases came from. and what created those and so on, this question will never be answered.

i think well never no y or how we were put here because were all going to blow eachother to shit longbefore we have the technology to find out.

Maybe there is an afterlife? maybe this is just a test, like everything we learn we take into our next life. maybe we go to the spiritworld, maybe were alien clones, the possiblity's are endless. but were all to absorbed in our pointless daily routines to ever find this out.

later

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Originally Posted by Toothpick

Their is faults many I watched 9 two hour movies about it. Did you know that they found a fossilized cowboy boot thatwas 50-60 years old. If you want proof then I could send you a video about it or give you a number that you can call.

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Sorry, "I watched a video about it" isn't enough. If the theory of evolution really is full of holes, you should be able to remember at least one of those holes and be able to tell me what it is. I am perfectly aware that there are creationist videos out there, but so far none of them have convinced me (yes, I have actually listened to what these people have to say).

What does this fossilized cowboy boot have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

No, it "proves" nothing more than any creation myth of any culture. Some cultures say the world was hatched from an egg, but that doesn't prove that the world actually hatched from an egg.

I think that people could not have possibly known their history 1,000,000,000 years into the past. They didn't even have a word for "billion" back then. Was somebody counting the billions of years? Or did the God who never reveals anything about himself tell the writers of the Bible?

Well, if we want to put down the ancient books and actually look at the scientific evidence, we find that the Earth is about 4,500,000,000 years old. I don't know about you, but to me dating rocks is a much more reliable method of finding out the age of the Earth than reinterpreting ancient books in which ancient peoples wrote down how old they thought it was.


But we only have human fossils dating back 100,000 or 200,000 years. If you can find some 7,000,000,000 year old human fossils, well, that would be something!

And where's your proof? Or did you just pull this right out of your ass again?

This is where it gets into things so ridiculous I'm not even going to bother with them.

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aiieyaaa.....



alright.

working backwards, pull your head out of your ass. (insult met with insult)

i believe there was a PBS special, or History Channel thing... something on TV, that documented a million or half a million year old corpse, and as for dating rocks, how do you determine the age of molten rock? the age of the earth must be determined from the inside out, such as the tree trunk's rings, and i am quite certian, unless you'd like to prove me wrong, that we have never reached the core with any tools yet, im sure we havent even dug half way down into the earth yet, so how can they know old old this old rock really is?

and doubling back, how do you know that there arent any 7 million year old corpses just below our reach?


also, 1 million years in the past, we did not need history, and were rapidly devolving into an ignorance to develope it.

history was origonally useless if we were gods, and if we de evolved, it's logical that history (let alone technology) would later be developed.


as for that proving anything, i was thinking more along the lines of how it closer matched what science has proven so far... given that the bible misinterpreted billion.

it shows that we had an accurate understanding of the age of the earth before there was technology that could provide such knowledge.

wooh thread's deeper in than i though lol


weed, evolution is a product of the LACK of a god's interferance, yes, but that is ALSO our LESSON.

we need to EVOLVE into the CONSCIOUSNESS of god.



our minds were 100% in the begining.


they MIGHT be 10% now.