Argument supporting god...?

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Originally Posted by Stedric

And I find this world far less boring because I don't know whats ahead of me.

Peace indeed.

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Do you know me? Do you know that my life is boring? Me and my nephew just had guns pulled on us a few days ago. He lost his two front teeth from a pistil whipping, and I somehow managed to get away safe. These two fuckz had hoodies and masks. We were just hanging out and they came out of the dark. Scary shit. I ran away in zig zags thinking a bullet was gonna hit me in the back. You reply telling me that my life is boring, without knowing anything about it. Actually, you do know something. I'm enjoying the high life just like the next guy here. A few months ago a guy pulled a gun on me and robbed me in my car. I was trying to tell you that even though these things happened to me, I have joy in my heart, knowing that the things that make my heart hurt now, will not enter into the Kingdom of God. Nothing that offends will. What does faith in God have to do with living a boring life? If my life is boring, you must be on some roller coaster. Enjoy the ride.

"From a philosophical standpoint, the burden of proof is upon the accuser"

And about your earlier comment, you're the one accusing that God is not in me. You would have to provide the proof to call me a liar. By the way, Satan is known as "the accuser". Instead of attacking one another, we should see ourselves as a small group of people seeking truth.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

you're the one accusing that God is not in me.

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well, IS god inside of you? does it feel good when he's inside of you? how far does he go inside of you? how long is he inside of you? is he inside of you often? do you like it when he's inside of you?

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Do you know me? Do you know that my life is boring? Me and my nephew just had guns pulled on us a few days ago. He lost his two front teeth from a pistil whipping, and I somehow managed to get away safe. These two fuckz had hoodies and masks. We were just hanging out and they came out of the dark. Scary shit. I ran away in zig zags thinking a bullet was gonna hit me in the back. You reply telling me that my life is boring, without knowing anything about it. Actually, you do know something. I'm enjoying the high life just like the next guy here. A few months ago a guy pulled a gun on me and robbed me in my car. I was trying to tell you that even though these things happened to me, I have joy in my heart, knowing that the things that make my heart hurt now, will not enter into the Kingdom of God. Nothing that offends will. What does faith in God have to do with living a boring life? If my life is boring, you must be on some roller coaster. Enjoy the ride.

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Please don't misunderstand me. I don't look down on you and I don't think your beliefs are stupid. I was only explaining my beliefs, and what I find interesting about not having a religion is that not everything has an explanation.

I never meant to insult you, and I get a little carried away by my own arguments, for that I apologize. I'm very sorry to hear about you and your nephew. My intent was not to insult or belittle you, you have thought out your own beliefs intelligently and thoroughly.

A good argument makes for a good discussion, thats all. I'm sure you have God in your heart if you believe you do.

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Originally Posted by MastaChronic

well, IS god inside of you? does it feel good when he's inside of you? how far does he go inside of you? how long is he inside of you? is he inside of you often? do you like it when he's inside of you?

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Yes
Yes
Deep, my loins and reins
Forever, he promised he won't leave me
Yes, he never forsakes me
Yes, he brings me joy and strength in this cold world

Your name should be MastaCrap for what's coming out of your mouth. Keep in mind, that it will be your words that will either justify you or condemn you. You lack wisdom and understanding to be joking about the Spirit of God. It's called blasphemy. People think that God dwells in buildings of stone that man builds. Rather, he dwells inside us. We are the temple of the living God. MastaCrap, I'm confident that your eyes will see the one I preach. Cause if the scriptures are true, which I believe they are, every eye will see him. Be ready.

Stedric, I appreciate your words. I had to defend my faith.

man, just take a joke would ya? i dont consider it blasphemy to poke a little fun at god and religeon , "laughter is gods gift on a troubled world" so someone said, sometime

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

Seriously, I don't know which question you are talking about. I looked back and couldn't see it. If the question is right there in your mind let it pop out and I'll do my best to answer it.

It's not that thing about a woman not being logical is it? I have to say I didn't get what you were trying to ask me if it is.

Fire away, I'm ready.

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I asked you to prove that God doesn't exist. :)

I think I asked it a couple of times, maybe you need to check out some reading glasses. ;)

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Originally Posted by MastaChronic

man, just take a joke would ya? i dont consider it blasphemy to poke a little fun at god and religeon , "laughter is gods gift on a troubled world" so someone said, sometime

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That's not a very nice joke though, is it ? :(

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Originally Posted by Mud Dauber

That's not a very nice joke though, is it ? :(

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i will admit that readily, but in my defense, his post was wide open for it, plus i thought it was pretty funny and ive gotten a some good laughs about it when i went to a church youth group once and asked the reverend those exact questions

I like being able to discuss these things. How are we supost to belive anything if it doesn't make sence, and we don't even talk about it. Please discusess your point of view I'm so curious. Never take what I say as an Attack I just want to make sence of it, so I ask.

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Originally Posted by Mud Dauber

I asked you to prove that God doesn't exist. :)

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lol, does this question ever go away? Guess what, I know something nobody here knows. There are these jellyfish. They live far far away, in another galaxy. They are invisible, they have near-infinite power to conceal themselves, and every so often they get together for tea and crumpets. Can you prove they don't exist? Come on, try it, I bet you can't. So I guess the existence or non-existence of the jellyfish stand on equal ground right?
well not really, because if you claim there exists something that nobody has ever seen, can't be presented to anybody, and has no empiracle evidence of its existence, it doesn't just get equal validity for the soul reason that I claimed it to be so.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pray to the jellyfish. You can't prove they're any less valid than your god.

The bible stands in your way. Prove the bible wrong. These things were writen long ago and science today still says it's accerate. And The prophecys have come true and are being Proven right today. If you have such a accerate rendering of these jellyfish please share it. Show me how they have matched perfectly with what has happend and how theres not one shred of it Wrong.

Nothing has proven the Bible false. It has to be right and the word of god. Nothing else can stand like the bible can.

The Bible it self , not what false people have tought. False ideas contary to what the bible says are just that, False and missconcived.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

lol, does this question ever go away? Guess what, I know something nobody here knows. There are these jellyfish. They live far far away, in another galaxy. They are invisible, they have near-infinite power to conceal themselves, and every so often they get together for tea and crumpets. Can you prove they don't exist? Come on, try it, I bet you can't. So I guess the existence or non-existence of the jellyfish stand on equal ground right?
well not really, because if you claim there exists something that nobody has ever seen, can't be presented to anybody, and has no empiracle evidence of its existence, it doesn't just get equal validity for the soul reason that I claimed it to be so.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pray to the jellyfish. You can't prove they're any less valid than your god.

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Guess what? I wasn't speaking to you :) I was speaking to Iggy.

He had asked me the very same question, and now I'm asking him. There's a saying where I come from, it goes like this : "If I wanted any sh!t out of you, I'd squeeze your head."

(Now THAT, MC, is funny)

And you know what else? I wouldn't care a single bit if you worshipped jellyfish. Whatever blows your skirt up, DOOD. :thumbsup:

what if god was the king of the space jellyfish?

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Originally Posted by Krogith

The bible stands in your way. Prove the bible wrong. These things were writen long ago and science today still says it's accerate. And The prophecys have come true and are being Proven right today. If you have such a accerate rendering of these jellyfish please share it. Show me how they have matched perfectly with what has happend and how theres not one shred of it Wrong.

Nothing has proven the Bible false. It has to be right and the word of god. Nothing else can stand like the bible can.

The Bible it self , not what false people have tought. False ideas contary to what the bible says are just that, False and missconcived.

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Well Krogith, it seems while plenty of people were happy to jump on me for the jellyfish analogy, only you had sense to actually challenge it. However, I suggest everybody take a look at these...

http://www.churchofreality.org/opinion/noah.htm (in regard to noah)

http://members.aol.com/matt103436/Non-Existent.htm (skip to "flaws in the bible")

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...gan/flaws.html

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/...Testament.html

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/...Testament.html

http://godisimaginary.com/ (just a good read)

Looking up these scriptures you have just cited. and there not even quoteing the scripture right. one of the reasons that it's wrong is because Joseph wasn't his blood father? He was born of a virgin and Joseph was his father not blood father.

The blood line was pointing where he would come from, He could not be born of any normal conception because he was to be born of a virgin. So the blood line just pointed to what family. These are just people takeing it out of contex and distorting it.

Jesus says that some of his listeners will not taste death before he comes again in his kingdom. This was said almost 2000 years ago. (Note: This and many other passages indicate that Jesus was to come again in a relatively short period of time and not just "quickly" as present day Biblicists assert. All of his listeners are now dead, yet Jesus has not come again in his kingdom. All of the alleged words of Jesus recorded in the Bible are therefore suspect.

^^^^ from your sources
Just an exsample
Hes talking about the last days. people of the last days preaching his word could not have to die. People who have recived his word and who follow his teaching could live through the last days (armageddon) Thoses looking for the signs will know when the last days are here.

maybe he actually meant that some of his listeners wont taste death because some of them are immortal and they all live in an extremely secluded mountain community located somewhere in tibet.....

and Yhwh is how his name is scribed in the hebrew scriptures. Jehovah Is a english rendering. Regardless of how the spelling is. He is One God and God of All creation that is the point. If im saying the name wrong in my langue it makes no differnce. He is still the God of Isaac, Jacob and Moses.

actually yes, that is how his name would be translated letter for letter, btw how would pronounce that?

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Originally Posted by MastaChronic

what if god was the king of the space jellyfish?

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What if ?

hes jokeing (I hope) I laughed:thumbsup:

In answer to your question Mud Dauber.

I can't prove that God exists, neither can I prove that he doesn't.

What I can say, based on empirical evidence, is that the existence of God is extremely unlikely. The only way to believe is through faith, and God has provided me with no reason to have faith in him.

I make my living from gambling (poker since you asked:) ) and I wouldn't bet a nickel on his existence. I'd stake every chip I had on there being no God.

I imagine you'd stake everything on there being a God. That's your faith working over my reason. And vice versa..

Peace to you.

yes i was joking. aww man, i just gleeked all over my keyboard :(

LOL

Jesus is coming (look busy)

Be bizzy teaching others. Looking bizzy will lead to death. Have to have it in your heart. ( not agenst anyone just saying)

It was a joke, I'm sure some found it funny :)

We can go back and forth until Jesus comes, but why bother? Do you realize that no matter what you tell them, you will never CONVINCE them? Why spend so much energy on teaching unbelievers? You sound just like religion dude.

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject"

All need knoladge, and all need a chance. People are confused is all. Satan has made a world full of uncertainty. You can easly get lost in the lies and miss conceptions. My love for all Mankind Drives me to Teach what I Can about Jehovah Gods word.

Krogith,

I'm not sure what you're preaching, but I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Word of God. He is God himself.

i thought it was funny pass that shit

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

In answer to your question Mud Dauber.

I can't prove that God exists, neither can I prove that he doesn't.

What I can say, based on empirical evidence, is that the existence of God is extremely unlikely. The only way to believe is through faith, and God has provided me with no reason to have faith in him.

I make my living from gambling (poker since you asked:) ) and I wouldn't bet a nickel on his existence. I'd stake every chip I had on there being no God.

I imagine you'd stake everything on there being a God. That's your faith working over my reason. And vice versa..

Peace to you.

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Poker? That's hilarious.

Tell me what the empirical evidence is.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Krogith,

I'm not sure what you're preaching, but I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Word of God. He is God himself.

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See beliveing in the trinity is not bible based. No man could See god and yet live. Jesus was gods 1st creation. Jehovah god used Jesus as a master worker. Jesus told you to never bow down to him and to always Direct worship to his Father in heaven.

There not one in the same.

It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

Why is poker hilarious? It's my job, nothing else. I'm not trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it.

here ill put it this way do you really think that everything that is could have came from nothing or even a big bang.
if you take a watch smash it into a million pieces put it into a bag and shake it for 10 billion years what are the chances when you reach into that bag you'll pull out a watch ticking and on time.
same thing goes for the world something had to make it this way.
i do believe in a creator but fuck religion its a way to supress people and get them to do what the pope,government and plain old nice people want you to do.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

See beliveing in the trinity is not bible based. No man could See god and yet live. Jesus was gods 1st creation. Jehovah god used Jesus as a master worker. Jesus told you to never bow down to him and to always Direct worship to his Father in heaven.

There not one in the same.

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What trinity? I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are ONE. I can see you don't know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God?

Are you trinity? Or one person? Don't you have one body, one soul, one spirit? How many people are you? Were we not made in his image?


Kgorith wrote: "No man could See god and yet live"

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.



Didn't Moses see God face to face like I would have seen you in the street? And yes, Moses lived after seing God face to face.

Your religion is misguiding you in the scriptures, cause people bowed down to Jesus in the new testament. They worshipped him. You are accusing that worshipping Jesus is wrong and those people were not of God. That is your private interpretation. They believed in Jesus and they bowed to him cause they believed he was the Son of God. He recieved worship. Did Jesus ever tell anyone not to worship him? Did he ever reject it? Don't kid yourself. Those people bowed down and worshipped God according to the scriptures.

In the old testament The GOD of Jacob says that he is the only Savior. In the new testament it says that Jesus is the Savior. You are trying to make them out to be 2 but the scriptures teach that there is only one God. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You are obviously not a Christian cause you don't believe in him. When I see Jesus I will bow to him. Your preaching that God is not a man even though God made us in his "image". Image is something you can see. God made man in his image. That's why we look like him.

ok so if god is real and he created the entire universe
this is believed as thruth by religious people but if that is so nothing could have been created without god so my question to you is if everything came from God how did God get here

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

Why is poker hilarious? It's my job, nothing else. I'm not trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it.

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I "respectfully" disagree, Iggy. You stated that there was empirical evidence, I asked you what it was. Why are you skirting the issue ? Just answer the question.

Why do you assume that I was laughing at your "living" because I thought you were trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it ? :confused:

I can't imagine poker is a good way to make a living and support a family unless you're cheating at it.

[quote=Ignatius]It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

What you fail to see in this conversation is that there are many people who have given their account about God. It's their testimony you are accusing. They have put down on paper that they seen him. People wrote down on paper that they seen Jesus die. People wrote down on paper good tidings that he rose after they had killed him. They are spreading the word that there is more life after death cause the eyes of man have seen it. These testimonies have come from every generation. You may find this comical, but at the resurrection of Jesus, other men rose out of their tombs as well and went and appeared unto all. So the word spread of these events. Jesus must have been the most controversial man ever to create the kind of stir that he did that still exists about him until this day. Look at what's going on in the Middle East because of the words of Jesus. See, I think I disregard science (the findings of man) as not being accurate just like you disregard his word of not being accurate. Even though a scientist tells me something, it doesn't make his facts true. Just how you feel about his word. At one point, man thought the earth was square. Now they figured out that it's round. What they still don't know is that it has four corners.


And by the way, are the tables rigged? Once I played black 4 times straight, and I lost my $200 pretty quick. I was like, is there a button they press so it doesn't land on black? LOL

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

What trinity? I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are ONE. I can see you don't know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God?

Are you trinity? Or one person? Don't you have one body, one soul, one spirit? How many people are you? Were we not made in his image?


Kgorith wrote: "No man could See god and yet live"

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.



Didn't Moses see God face to face like I would have seen you in the street? And yes, Moses lived after seing God face to face.

Your religion is misguiding you in the scriptures, cause people bowed down to Jesus in the new testament. They worshipped him. You are accusing that worshipping Jesus is wrong and those people were not of God. That is your private interpretation. They believed in Jesus and they bowed to him cause they believed he was the Son of God. He recieved worship. Did Jesus ever tell anyone not to worship him? Did he ever reject it? Don't kid yourself. Those people bowed down and worshipped God according to the scriptures.

In the old testament The GOD of Jacob says that he is the only Savior. In the new testament it says that Jesus is the Savior. You are trying to make them out to be 2 but the scriptures teach that there is only one God. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You are obviously not a Christian cause you don't believe in him. When I see Jesus I will bow to him. Your preaching that God is not a man even though God made us in his "image". Image is something you can see. God made man in his image. That's why we look like him.

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Jehovah God is the Father and Jesus was created. Only the Father knows the time of the end not the son. Jesus is following his Fathers exsample and is a servant just as much as we are. He has a differnt role to play but a fellow slave non the less.

Do not confuse your self and pray to Jesus. We pray to Jehovah God ( YhWh in hebrew) Through Jesus Christ. Through Jesus we get to know about his Father there not one in the same.


Jesus Did tell people Not to worship him.

You don't understand the son of man and the Son of God principle. The Son of God has no decent. He has no father or mother. He has no beginning of days or end of life. Read about Melchisedec. He was made like the Son of God. You're only testifying that jesus is the son of man, but you're denying that he's the Son of God. The jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God, but they knew that their messiah would be God himself. They knew that it would be God himself that would save them. They just didn't believe it was Jesus, and are still waiting to be delivered.

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Nothing was made that was made without him. He is "before" all things. Jesus came to save "his" peole from their sins. Jesus said that Moses' writings are his words. You are just repeating the false religious teachings that are out there. Jesus is the Word of God.

I wonder why you didn't provide any scripture in your reply? The word proved you wrong about seeing God and you just ignored it and preached religion. Did Phillip not ask Jesus to show them the Father? What did Jesus tell him? He said he who hath "seen" me hath "seen" the Father.

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins"

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"