Atheism

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Originally Posted by ADaisyChain

I'm still in shock at this part. I thought beachguy was a humble kind of wise guy. And there's no such thing as an arrogant kind of wise guy. -frroowwwnn-

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LOL, I just threw it in there for amusement. :stoned:

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Originally Posted by ADaisyChain

Well then stop talking like you know, it makes things more confusing.

Preface your 'possibilities' with

"well it's possible that...."

instead of jumping right in and stating your possibilities as fact. If I knew you just thought of them as theories, and didn't actually believe you had any proof behind them beyond a guess, I wouldn't keep inquiring.

And if you presented them as POSSIBILITIES instead of as fact, debating with you would be interesting, rather then annoying. Because 99% of the time I read your possibilities stated as fact and think "How can he possibly think he has proof of this rather then just taking a guess like everyone else is?"

I'm sober and leaving. Peas.

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there's only one thing i will put forth as turth without proof, and just like all the other hairbrained theories i usually havem this cant really be proven either, but it's the only one i will state intentionally as fact.

everything else is just a theoretical possibility based on the one true truth being nothing(ness).

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Originally Posted by CocaCola

No one is denying the existence of God, for christ sakes... it just seems that everyone has a different view about what God is. Can it be said enough?

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I'm denying the existence of God. People's own view of God is completely irrelevant since it's a fairy tale.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I'm denying the existence of God. People's own view of God is completely irrelevant since it's a fairy tale.

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ya know if you keep denying the undying, perfect, infinite love of god like that, he'll send you to burn in the fires of hell forever.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I'm denying the existence of God. People's own view of God is completely irrelevant since it's a fairy tale.

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First off all, you weren't in the thread when I posted that... so SORRY. And second of all, my view God isn't irrelevant...

Cannabis exists in the real world, god exists in personal opinion. I believe in cannabis.
;)

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

ya know if you keep denying the undying, perfect, infinite love of god like that, he'll send you to burn in the fires of hell forever.

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Sounds fun! Can't wait.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

ya know if you keep wearing women's underwear, you're gonna hook up with men, forever.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Sounds fun! Can't wait.

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Don't jinx yourself, Flesh(wound).

shit I don't remember saying that beachguy, I must have been really wrecked! I just thankgod I didn't ruin my avatar.



EDIT: Oh Shit!

I put my faith in something that I believe in and thats me.
Religion closes your mind by indoctrination and people follow the (to my mind) ridiculous idea that because the Bible or Koran or any of the holy scriptures says that something is so then it must be true.
Question everything.

A religion doesn't have to be about a supreme being does it? Couldn't it just be a "moral standard" among those in the religion? I mean, do you remember that guy Jesus... who said to follow you're heart. Religion (Such as christianity for example) relates to the heart, but not anymore... now it's about who's religion is right. While really they are all right.

Some relate to the mind, though... and some relate to the soul. (Hinduism, I believe) But that is a different issue.

A religion is a set of beliefs about the supernatural. Otherwise what you have is a philosophy. It's hard to conceive of how the supernatural could exist without a higher power of some sort. That's what the word "supernatural" means anyways. Super-natural means above or over the natural world in which we are trapped.

It is by this postulation of the supernatural that religions are close-minded. It is impossible to know anything besides what is in the natural world. Knowledge can only come from observation, and anything that is observable is by definition in the natural world. Religions make guesses about how the universe works beyond the limits of observation and claim them as absolute fact, even though there is no evidence to support their claims since the supernatural is by definition unobservable.

To be open-minded is to be willing to have your opinion changed by new evidence. Since religions work outside the scope of evidence, they cannot be open-minded. In order to embrace a religion, you have to blindly accept certain things as fact even when there is no evidence to back them up, and when the evidence argues against the claims. When you use logic and evidence to reason out your beliefs, that's not religion. That's science or philosophy. When you use faith (believing things to be true without evidence), that's religion. And when you believe things to be true without evidence, you have no way to argue for your beliefs, and you just end up believing them for no good reason, which is a sure path to close-mindedness.

But you can't deny that most religions have some good ideas... I agree in part with some of the ideals of Christianity but not that there is a God, for example. And what about Buddism? To my understanding, Buddah was not a supernatural being... he was a man who had set a moral code for his followers to live by. So Buddism isn't a religion then? It's a philosophy.

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Originally Posted by CocaCola

But you can't deny that most religions have some good ideas... I agree in part with some of the ideals of Christianity but not that there is a God, for example. And what about Buddism? To my understanding, Buddah was not a supernatural being... he was a man who had set a moral code for his followers to live by. So Buddism isn't a religion then? It's a philosophy.

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it's constantly debated whether buddhism, at it's core, is a religion or a philosophy. I guess I'd call it a philosophy myself. and yes, buddha was not supernatural at all and never tried to tell us he was, but sadly enough many priests and the like made him into one later because some people just need a magical man to believe in.

well mr D have to agree with you on this,
i dont have a set relgion by which i rule my life as i see nothing within a relgion that will benefit me in any way as you say there are no facts to back it up.
but on the other hand i have things which i hope are out there when i die i hope this isn't the end and i like to think that those who have gone before me are still around in a spirit world but i only believe it because i want to not because there is any real evidence that it exists. just a wishfull fantacy. but thats all it is as for any supernatural being that controls things if your good you go to heaven if not hell sorry but that just akes for a dctator who says its his way or no way.

well mr D have to agree with you on this,
i dont have a set relgion by which i rule my life as i see nothing within a relgion that will benefit me in any way as you say there are no facts to back it up.
but on the other hand i have things which i hope are out there when i die i hope this isn't the end and i like to think that those who have gone before me are still around in a spirit world but i only believe it because i want to not because there is any real evidence that it exists. just a wishfull fantacy. but thats all it is as for any supernatural being that controls things if your good you go to heaven if not hell sorry but that just makes for a dictator who says its his way or no way.

oops sorry double post :-)