To the science majors/scientists/science geeks out there...

dude youre taking a biology class which is cool but now that youve learned a little about DNA and precursors dont be taking this attitude that you now understand science.

I always debated that too, everythings so intricate someone had to sit down and design it. 6 Billion years is a fucking loooooong time and since those lipids made the 1st cell miniscule changes have happend constantly that over that very long time add up. Every generation we're a tiny bit more complex.

The big bang is a well thought out concept with observable proof to show for it (6 billion year old light for example). Anyways what made god?

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Originally Posted by iwantFUEGO

LOL get over it, theres nothing wrong with believing in a designer. The only person who is closed minded here is you...thinking its not possible.

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Sure it's possible. Anything is possible, isn't that how the saying goes? I'm almost certain it is, "anything is possible".

I'm not saying you haven't done your time sniffing various chemicals and the like. I'm just curious, do you even know what science is?


Besides, your entire watch analogy sucks. Nobody thinks watches evolve ex nihilo. Obviously watches evolve in stages, so first you have a flat face, possibly with a stylus to cast a shadow from the sun. At a later time, watches with markings on the face to better read the passage of time might become more viable. And with the major evolutionary gap of machinary, watches evolve into their more recognizable forms that we continue to see on earth today. Really, shaking a box... don't you know how these things work?

God rules! 'nough said :)

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Originally Posted by iwantFUEGO

ok since most people arent science majors i will give you a watered down example of what im talking about.

The only reason these objects we call our bodies know how to grow is because of a molecule called Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) that exists in many copies in every cell that makes up our bodies.

lets break it down.

Deoxyribose, which is a sugar derived from ribose (which is basically a carbon-oxygen ring)

Purine/Pyrimidine base, which is another ring with electronegative atoms to induce hydrogen bonding so the double strand can exist stabley (coincidence?)

Phosphodiester backbone, which is very stable and very negative, allowing it to regulated by postive amino acids (argenine & lysine) by condensing and relaxing the DNA. This is BASICALLY how gene expression is regulated... if anyone is more interested i will explain further.... (ever wonder why we all start from one cell, but as we grow our eye cells and our toe nail cells are completely different?)

This is just one example, but a good one to show those who dont know that life is made of chemistry...

Now who would like to tell me that all this just happened because of a huge explosion?

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good point, i have wondered this many times, in fact i renounced god a few years ago. but now i realize that organized religion is the problem, i now just try to do the right thing and help others as best as possible. unafilliated faith is what i call it, not sure if im still considered athiest

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Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine

dude youre taking a biology class which is cool but now that youve learned a little about DNA and precursors dont be taking this attitude that you now understand science.

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Good job, you are right... i did take a biology class... been taking them for three years... What does that have to do with anything??
The only thing i'm arguing is that the system is too inticrate to have created itself... explain to me how that goes against science??

"Now that youve learned a little about DNA"

Pardon me but that was a real jackass thing to say. I HAVE learned alot about DNA and will have a rebuttal for any arguement you can pose... Try me :D

Sorry if i sound arrogant but i guess you can say that remark brought it out of me.

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

Sure it's possible. Anything is possible, isn't that how the saying goes? I'm almost certain it is, "anything is possible".

I'm not saying you haven't done your time sniffing various chemicals and the like. I'm just curious, do you even know what science is?


Besides, your entire watch analogy sucks. Nobody thinks watches evolve ex nihilo. Obviously watches evolve in stages, so first you have a flat face, possibly with a stylus to cast a shadow from the sun. At a later time, watches with markings on the face to better read the passage of time might become more viable. And with the major evolutionary gap of machinary, watches evolve into their more recognizable forms that we continue to see on earth today. Really, shaking a box... don't you know how these things work?

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The watch in the box idea wasn't even mine... someone else said that and i used it to better explain myself...
Besides, it makes perfect sense if you just read ALL the posts.
Watch evolves in stages? stylus in the sun? what are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by bavet

God rules! 'nough said :)

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Hey i have an african grey!
its amazing how intelligent they are.

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Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine

The big bang is a well thought out concept with observable proof to show for it (6 billion year old light for example).

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Maybe you can explain how we on earth see 6 billion year old light.

6 billion year old light would be 6 billion lightyears away.

We would somehow have to develope a new technology that allows us to see faster than the speed of light.
THEN
we would have to sit there for 6 billion years just to catch up with the damn light.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I love it when people bring in the "6 billion year old light"

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Originally Posted by iwantFUEGO

The watch in the box idea wasn't even mine... someone else said that and i used it to better explain myself...
Besides, it makes perfect sense if you just read ALL the posts.
Watch evolves in stages? stylus in the sun? what are you talking about?

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a stylus is the shadow-casting part of a sundial. I suppose its only important if we're trying to understand the role of time-pieces through history, of which a watch is merely the most recent form. Think about it.
I know the watch in a box example isn't yours, because its rather tirelessly trumped around by Design theorists. Apparently it's the best they've got. How about you?
As to reading all the posts, why would I need to do that when what I take issue with was stated in your very first post? Or do you contradict yourself throughout the thread?

That great that you know the history of how we keep time. All I was saying is that we arent even on that subject right now...

I read all your posts...i dont see why you wouldn't...
If your gonna debate with someone, you should probably read what theyre saying to you. (Just common sense)

I dont contradict myself at all... i think ive been carrying a solid point thru out the whole thread....

i believe in a god, but i also will admit that i cannot prove that god exists; i do look around the world and think "this looks like design", the beauty of it, beyond the biological i see things in human nature that to me echo the bible

now, given infinate chance it's understandable that "anything" could happen, atleast anything that is possible; whether it's actually possible to create a living thing from nonliving molecules is not for sure; the law of biogenesis says it's not possible, but again that's just a "law" trying to define what we see

i respect the humility of realizing that one cannot truly imagine god completely when we comprehend so little about our own world; i do believe god has reached out to us though, personally