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Originally Posted by Gumby

i didn't see her harm anyone, or cause a rush... I did see her lie or say anything that wasn't true.... I didn't see her do anything to harm anyone... why should she be in jail... If I'm that dumb please explain to me how freedom of speech can lead to jail time if you hurt no one??

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gumby 5th grade civics

C. Exceptions to Freedom of Expression

Many exceptions to the First Amendment protections have been recognized by the courts, although not without controversy. Courts sometimes justify these exceptions as speech which causes substantial harm to the public, or speech which the Founding Fathers could not have intended to protect, or traditions that have long been part of the common law tradition from England that was the basis of our American legal system.

Rather than merely reciting the list of established exceptions, it is important to understand the rationale for making exceptions to free speech protection under the Constitution. The value of free speech sometimes clashes with other important values in our culture.

How should we weigh the relative importance of these competing social values? How do we balance free speech against racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism which promotes values we despise as a country? against speech which some consider a symptom of the decay of society's traditional values? against speech which directly results in physical injury to another person?

Exceptions established by the courts to the First Amendment protections include the following:

Defamation | Causing panic | Fighting words | Incitement to crime | Sedition | Obscenity

was she defaming? causing panic? using fighting words? incitment to crime? sedation? obscenity?

do you want me to show you were there are more limits to the first ammendment.....

i dont know about you sometimes..... your hate of america is clouding your view.

no she wasn't doing any of them... so I don't understand why you think she shouldn't have been able to talk...

Freedom of speech is often regarded as an integral concept in modern liberal democracies, where it is understood to outlaw censorship. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of expression is not absolute; governments may still prohibit certain damaging types of expressions. Under international law, restrictions on free speech are required to comport with a strict three part test: they must be provided by law, pursue an aim recognized as legitimate, and be necessary (i.e., proportionate) for the accomplishment of that aim. Amongst the aims considered legitimate are protection of the rights and reputations of others (prevention of defamation), and the protection of national security and public order, health and morals. It is generally recognised that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.

I can pull definitions too... whoopie... she did nothing to harm anyone...

you're head being up Bush's ass is what is clouding your view of america... what you don't understand is how far away from a democary we are and how many right Bush has taken away from us... what don't you understand about limiting the constitution and right of americans... perhaps you should read the Patroit Act... that is unamerican.. not my idea that everyone should be allowed the same liberties as long as we harm no one.. that's what a democracy is and what America was founded on... so if you would like to go to a place where you are not free to speak your mind you move...

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The right to freedom of expression is not absolute; governments may still prohibit certain damaging types of expressions. Under international law, restrictions on free speech are required to comport with a strict three part test: they must be provided by law, pursue an aim recognized as legitimate, and be necessary (i.e., proportionate) for the accomplishment of that aim. Amongst the aims considered legitimate are protection of the rights and reputations of others (prevention of defamation), and the protection of national security and public order, health and morals. It is generally recognised that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.[/B]
she did nothing to harm anyone...

was she defaming him?

you're head being up Bush's ass is what is clouding your view of america...

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my head is up uncle sams ass.......

thanks gumby for proving me right thanks you will come along yet

In the most general terms, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Defamation can come in either the form of libel (oral defamation) or slander (written defamation). To succeed in a case for defamation, you have to prove four elements: 1) a false or defamatory statement was made against you; 2) the statement was made to a third party (anyone other than you, either verbally or in written form); 3) if the defamation was of public concern, then the publisher of the defamation had to be negligent; and 4) you suffered damage, such as an injury to your reputation or, in some cases, mental anguish.

Furthermore, there are several instances that result in defamation â??per se,â?� i.e., the damages are presumed. These instances include attacks on a personâ??s character or standing, allegations of adultery, allegations someone has an STD, or allegations that a person has committed a crime or moral turpitude. The laws of defamation, however, differ by state, so make sure to check your local statutes if you feel you have been defamed.


she lied about nothing and if you only speak the truth about a person, it isn't defamation... google a few more words before you try to use them...

you are right she did nothing wrong......... we live in a police state

ya know what she is still inocent till proven guilty... here in the good ole usa

china they would have chopped her up and sold organs

On Wednesday, the protester who disrupted the White House lawn ceremony for Hu will appear in court to answer charges that her outburst amounted to a threat, punishable by up to six months in jail and a $5,000 fine.

Wenyi Wang, a doctor who lives in New York and a member of Falun Gong, a religious sect that is suppressed in China, disrupted the ceremony when she repeatedly shouted such slogans as "President Bush, stop him from persecuting the Falun Gong."

Later, when they were in the Oval Office together, Bush apologized to Hu.

China will watch this case very carefully, and it has already urged the U.S. to punish her. Bush, as Hu's host at the White House, was right to apologize for the rude interruption, but he should not apologize for America. Here in America, justice is not stamped, "Made in China." In America, we value protest and free speech.

There is an old Chinese proverb: "Follow the local custom when you go to a foreign place." Instead, a spokesman for the Chinese foreign ministry, told reporters that such demonstrations threaten relations between the two nations.

China doesn't recognize protest. In February, just weeks ahead of Hu's visit to Washington, China freed a man who had spent nearly 17 years in jail for throwing paint on a portrait of Mao Zedong during pro-democracy protests in 1989.

Bush did the right thing when he raised China's poor record on human rights rights during his meetings with Hu, but his words will lose credibility if Wenyi Wang is sent to jail for her one-woman protest on the White House lawn.

In this country, it is not a crime to criticize the president of the United States. It might help persuade China to improve its record on human rights if it is also not a crime in the U.S. to criticize the leader of another country.

Hu should get another lesson on democracy on Wednesday when Wang appears in court.

http://www.masslive.com/editorials/r...720.xml&coll=1

from a republican paper... so if she does go to jail then what??

up to 6 months and fine UP TO UP TO UP TO

she will spend the time in jail that she is there now IE (time served)and will pay 500 bucks and probation for 6 months.

she did somthing wrong

i once jumed a fence and was skateboarding in the pool.... i got busted and payed the piper

fucking easy guys break the law and pay

she should be punished I agree... but for a president to ignore what China is doing and to put it aside and ignore the protest it unamerican... Protestors get arrested everyday... it's the people who arrest them and not listen to what they are protesting that are unamerican... it's them who should be in jail... that's what is wrong with the situation, not that she will serve time, but that our government will do nothing about what she went to jail for...

dude i live near boulder if i had a nickle for every "free tibet" bumper sticker ive seen id be rich.

He isnt ignoring it... they have big problems

but they are not killing us under jihad...thats good

what up with what they are doing to the Environment


ohh yea i was going to school to be an Environmental engineer....

so what is the difference between a dictator in China and Dictator in Iraq? Is it the muslim religion?? why is it ok to act out against their indifferences and not the one's in China? Could it be cause Hu has Bush by the balls and he knows he can't?? China is in much worse condition than Iraq... Million protest in China and when was the last time you saw a news show come from china?? But you're right... lets bomb the shit out of Iraq and Iran and any other small country we want to.. lets forget about Sudan and China.... the major countries with problems... that's the best route..