Atheism

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

yes, omniscence is instant, in an instant, 400 billion mind changes can occour, and 400 billion futures can be percieved.


however, you have to actively USE an ability, they arent passive, has to TRY to use his omniscence to see.

so it is understandable that there could be a lapse in omniscence, just as there may be lapses in omnipotence.


humans were created during a lapse in omniscence.

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Huh? :confused:

Well, even if your God isn't fully omniscient or omnipotent, it still doesn't change the fact that there isn't any evidence whatsoever that it exists. You'd think if something had infinite power and was intervening in human affairs on a daily basis that there would be some conclusive evidence somewhere, wouldn't you? Why doesn't he come out and say "Hey everybody, this is God. Stop fighting over religions because I am here to clear everything up..."?

ahhhhahahahahaha :D god does not interfere. we've been abandoned and left for dead. if we cannot survive, then we were never worth it in the first place.


god is forcing us to evolve or go extinct.


that is what earth was all along; an experiment to create physical life which can live as god.


but if god TELLS us how or even reveals himself, we will fail, as we will not have acquired omnipotency and omniscence on our own duing, if god has any intervention, we are no longer beings of free will.

So if God has not revealed himself, how can you be so sure that he exists? Where did you get this information about his existence?

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Originally Posted by Toothpick

...then you probably believe in nothing.

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I'm pretty sure thats a nihilist, not an atheist.

I'm an atheist because of my open mind. I used to be methodist, but God never made any sense to me. I tried living "with" and "without" a god, but in the end I saw no diffrence in how the world treated me. So I decided that It didn't really matter wheather I did or didn't.

I guess what I "belive" in now is science. But it's not so mush as a belief, but more of a curiosity of how the universe works. I think religion is a compleate waste of time because it has no real life value.

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Originally Posted by Toothpick

evolution shouldn't be a option because it has more faults then any kind of religion

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I don't know what faults your talking about, evolution is a very well supported theory. It acually has the ability to be studied and proved. (well it is proved, thats why it's a theory, not a hypothesis.) You can't say that about any religion. You can't prove the existance of God, and don't talk about intellegent design or that the complexity of life proves his existance. That stuff is bullshit pushed forward by creationists.

I am really quite ashamed to live in a country where half of the population rejects such basic scientific knowledge as the theory of evolution, the foundation of all modern biology. I mean, this is supposed to be the most technological nation in the world, and the masses are completely ignorant of science. It's quite a sad situation, and it can only lead to disaster if we keep this up. If you want to figure out how the universe works, put down your Bible and look at all the magnificent things there are to experience in the real world. Let me tell you, the magnificence of what's really out there and what we've really uncovered about the history of the cosmos are far grander than any religious mythology could ever provide.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

So if God has not revealed himself, how can you be so sure that he exists? Where did you get this information about his existence?

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dont get me wrong, the idea of god was first introduced when i was very young, but i havent gone to church since i was 5.
i have never really agreed with the religious BS i always hear about god, but because they all seem to know of it, there must have been SOMETHING that inspired them.

i philosophised constnatly around the time i was 11, i stopped believing in anything, i questioned everything, (i lost my hearing) while constantly learning about basic crap math and some science. i never gave 2 shits about history or english (probably why i dont convey myself too great half the time) and slept through those either in deep thought, or just bored shitless.

i finally came to, so to speak, and started researching stuff online... meditation, chakras, psi/ki/chi/etc. and after a lot of reading forums, most of which led nowhere, or banned me, i found a lot of helpful wisdom.

i figured, even if christ wasnt real, he was a story based on true reality, if not a prophecy.

and once i came th this conclusion, i began to focus on thoughts, and my mind, i philosophised different facts of the brain, but nothing ever matched up logically. i tried adding the chakras to it, but that didnt lead me far... i finally decided to take in spiritual aspects, and it startred making a little more sense... as i did not actually take any religious ideas into it, i basically invented it myself off of the native american understanding that all things are spirit. this led into the elements among many other things, and interlaced the universe into a common equality. i finally deciphered the mind into three "houses" of consciousness, which is misinterpreted by a combo. of freud and the church.

the holy trinity is the conscious, subconscious, and superconsciousness.
ego, soul, spirit

our sleeping superconscious is largely locked away in our genes. we spend WAY too much time and effort neglecting our bodies, when, in fact, we should be doing heavy workouts and meditations, relying on the bare minimum of needs. food and water.
farming a simple herb garden and whatever else (i dont know the exact plants that are needed in a 'vegan' diet)

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I am really quite ashamed to live in a country where half of the population rejects such basic scientific knowledge as the theory of evolution, the foundation of all modern biology. I mean, this is supposed to be the most technological nation in the world, and the masses are completely ignorant of science. It's quite a sad situation, and it can only lead to disaster if we keep this up. If you want to figure out how the universe works, put down your Bible and look at all the magnificent things there are to experience in the real world. Let me tell you, the magnificence of what's really out there and what we've really uncovered about the history of the cosmos are far grander than any religious mythology could ever provide.

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yes, it's true that there are many amazing and amazingly abstract technologies we are not even aware we can use right now.

there are even- shit... i lost my thoughts *toke* :stoned:


craptrfuckl damn :(


aaanyways... um... we have access to Zero Point energy... which can make an everlasting amount of energy, we can make so many things that the corperations are stealing from us.

they are copywriting basic things that we can use to get every need and want, for free.


this is a system that mirrors monarchy only in spread out areas...



look at it, the corperations are all over the place, in their "territory".

feeding money to the government in taxes, who has split the land into thousands of territories. (districts, area codes, states, if we properly evened the flow of power to every county was like a seperate federal gov't. we could have pot legalized in one county, but not in the next.)

corperate power is a mass monarchy (it does not work).


and as for evolution, it's quite obvious, given that even the bible says that 1 day in the hevens (the astral, or psychic bond) is 1000 years on earth.

that proves that it took at least 6000 years to make earth.

i, however, think that the people either fudged, or lied, or misinterpreted 1,000,000,000.

lol but that's just my gut feeling on the matter.

so let's say im right, that means the earth was 7,000,000,000 years old before "satan" defiled it.

which makes humanity a lot older than humans first believed.

it is from that perspective of mine that i decide that for 1 billion years, humans were gods.

and in a short amount of time (years passed like days with their godly paitence) their new king (now that god's done resting) defiled them and locked their divinity in their genes, deep in the bones.

LEADING BACK TO THE POINT... :stoned:


we were powerless and fordced to rely on our dwindling divine wisdom and create utopia.
using zero point technologies, far more advanced than we can currently comprehend (without an open mind [or a copy of secret of mana :eek:])
and as generations evolved, vast prejudicies were formed against 'other kin' such as dragons, and vampires. [keep an open mind shhhh, shshshshshhhh]
as the 'human superiors' evolved and wiped out their otherkin, they started slaying the dionsaurs with magic. hahaha look at that, we were also evolving a lot de evolving from using mana and the psi, but evolving to forever shed our fur and become fat, and lazy, and rely on nature... under our thumbs, to get what we want, when all along, nature is no different than us.




i got high, im sirry i made a super über fucked up post, but hey, i guess... whatever... lol

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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420

I don't know what faults your talking about, evolution is a very well supported theory. It acually has the ability to be studied and proved. (well it is proved, thats why it's a theory, not a hypothesis.) You can't say that about any religion. You can't prove the existance of God, and don't talk about intellegent design or that the complexity of life proves his existance. That stuff is bullshit pushed forward by creationists.

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Im sorry to say this but evolution is more faulty then any religion. That makes it very obvious that you havnt even barely looked at evolution from both sides. Their are many questions that you might ask about any religion about how it works such as where did God come from and just because you dont have the answers doesnt mean you proved that God doesnt exist. However evolution has so many faults that have been proven that it is impossible. If you ask me atheism and religion have their own points but that part of atheism called evolution is down right retarded.

In God We Trust

Don't worry guys... Don't worry about ANNNYTHING. Cause everything will be OK. Because God is up there... waching us... Ahhh, thank you lord for keeping me wrapped in thy warmest blanket.

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Originally Posted by Toothpick

Im sorry to say this but evolution is more faulty then any religion. That makes it very obvious that you havnt even barely looked at evolution from both sides. Their are many questions that you might ask about any religion about how it works such as where did God come from and just because you dont have the answers doesnt mean you proved that God doesnt exist. However evolution has so many faults that have been proven that it is impossible. If you ask me atheism and religion have their own points but that part of atheism called evolution is down right retarded.

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Yep... you're right. Evolution is ludicrous! We didn't evolved from animals or anything! WE WERE PLACED DOWN ON EARTH FROM GOD! You know, that guy... That guy up in heaven. Yeah...

God is a very abstract subject. Trying to define God is like trying to define love. I beleive that we are all a stream of conciousness, myself... but feel free to try and prove me wrong. As my belief has no evidence to back it up.

? Sorry but your sarcasm didnt hurt my feelings but it did make me laugh!

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Originally Posted by Toothpick

Im sorry to say this but evolution is more faulty then any religion. That makes it very obvious that you havnt even barely looked at evolution from both sides. Their are many questions that you might ask about any religion about how it works such as where did God come from and just because you dont have the answers doesnt mean you proved that God doesnt exist.

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And just because we don't know where the universe came from does not mean that God made it.

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However evolution has so many faults that have been proven that it is impossible.

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Name one. Just one. Even if you did find something which modern scientific theory hasn't been able to explain yet, it doesn't prove that evolution is flawed. There's just so much evidence in its favor that something very close to our modern understanding of evolution is going on. If there was any "proof" it was wrong, the scientific community would have abandoned it long ago. Scientists are always looking for proof of new and better theories to explain the universe. But I have not seen one single shred of evidence which points to an alternative explanation for the origins of life.

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If you ask me atheism and religion have their own points but that part of atheism called evolution is down right retarded.

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Retarded? Could you provide an alternative explanation for the fossil record? Why do we see skeletons of homo australopithecus, homo habilis, homo erectus, and then homo sapiens in the fossil record? And why, when we do radio-carbon dating on them, do they seem to follow a sequence, as if one came after the other? Why does the fossil record come in "layers" with simpler creatures on the bottom in the oldest layers and more advanced creatures in the newer layers? Did God just make it look like evolution happened to trick us?