Bubbler-Pond fogger cloner

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Originally Posted by Horsemanrocks

Since the flower room is occupied and I need to bring along some mothersâ?¦these will have to make a transition to soil at some point. As the fog roots grow up some Iâ??ll begin to bubble some to smooth the transition. Any tips (or guesses) on root management and when and how much to begin to feed would be appreciated.

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i normally use peat pucks to clone. but i did run a batch in an aero-style cloner last go round. i know i let them go too long in the cloner and then just popped them in the dirt. they had massive root balls. i should have gotten a pic.

i did have an issue with hardening off, but it was nothing that wasn't to be expected.

as far as the feeding, i think they like it as soon as the roots hit the soil. they've been burning up their food stores during the rooting process. hit them with some low dose nutes, a blend of grow/bloom if you are running a two part system as phosphorus helps with root and stem development and increases vigor and potassium is necessary for all stages of growth and aids in creating sturdy and thick stems, disease resistance, water respiration and photosynthesis.


i know it's not much but i hope it helps jump start an idea!


-shake

The third rooted late the second day (yesterday)â?¦.the fourth never really recovered from the cut. It was the smallest and a little marginal in my mind anyway.
So Iâ??m pleased with 3 of 4 taking root.
Same thing I discovered with fog, marginal cuttings don't grow marginal in fog...they seem to die off. But I've had cuttings go completely dead, or seemed to be dead, start to throw new roots, after an extended period.

Interestingâ?¦.because I didnâ??t actually toss itâ?¦.I put it on a styrofoam raft over a bubblerâ?¦..It hasnâ??t rooted, but itâ??s looking better. The problem is actually in the domes for the specific netpotsâ?¦..getting the right vapor flow and humidity in each dome. Iâ??m diddling with itâ?¦.but finding the perfect flow for each takes a little time.

I removed their domes for a while today to see if they could stand on their ownâ?¦..nope not yet!
Not unusual when in a dome. When you remove the doom try playing a bugle revelry loudly while yelling "get up you bitches"; sometimes works for me.

â??Get up you bitchesâ?� is politically incorrect in Califâ?¦.Iâ??ll look for a bugle! :jointsmile:

Present thinking is to let the roots develop someâ?¦.and then bubble splash some to begin to acclimate for transition to soil.
Sounds like a decent plan.

Thanks for the affirmationâ?¦..I put these thoughts out hoping for affirmation OR correctionâ?¦much appreciated. I put three rooted cuttings and one unrooted on the bubble chamber (the other chamber just fog) on Jan 2ndâ?¦.weâ??ll see what happens!

One of the things that I like the best is having development so consistent throughout.
??? 3 made it 1 did not, consistent....oh you talking about the growth!

Talking about timingâ?¦as opposed to the dome rooting one in three weeks and others in five weeks. A day as opposed to weeks. Isnâ??t that the trademark of Americanaâ?¦to want it fast, like in yesterday. Iâ??m a young manâ?¦and Iâ??m in a hurry!

i did have an issue with hardening off, but it was nothing that wasn't to be expected.

Againâ?¦.saw palmetto.:D

as far as the feeding, i think they like it as soon as the roots hit the soil. they've been burning up their food stores during the rooting process. hit them with some low dose nutes, a blend of grow/bloom if you are running a two part system as phosphorus helps with root and stem development and increases vigor and potassium is necessary for all stages of growth and aids in creating sturdy and thick stems, disease resistance, water respiration and photosynthesis.

Much appreciatedâ?¦..will do. What I do have is Foxfarms GrowBig at 6-4-4. The strains that Iâ??m fiddling with are very light feeders, so Iâ??ll be gentleâ?¦as itâ??s their first time.

I had an exciting last weekâ?¦.I lost power for five hours. I immediately fired up the generatorâ?¦.which ran for an hour, and then decided to take a little rest. So with little alternative I flooded the grow chambers with Dihydrogen Monoxide for about two hours until the generator came off â??union breakâ?�, nobody complained.
I have yet to see any difference whether I fog 24/7, or I â??pulse fogâ?�, or flood, or fog/splashâ?¦..perfect for a guy who doesnâ??t know what heâ??s doing. :D:D

Thanks for the input,
HMR

i did have an issue with hardening off, but it was nothing that wasn't to be expected.

Shake,
The bad part of this arrangement is that I have to dome each potâ?¦.but the good part is that I can fiddle with the flow of each individually. So I can harden off individuals as they come ready.

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I open the flow to get less condensation (a drier dome). So with luck I can dial back humidity for each plant when the root structure will support. Weâ??ll see soon enough as the transition is nearing.

And out,
HMR

i like the idea of being able to dome each pot etc. this should allow you much more control. this could/would be ideal for different strains.

"I have yet to see any difference whether I fog 24/7, or I â??pulse fogâ?�, or flood, or fog/splashâ?¦..perfect for a guy who doesnâ??t know what heâ??s doing."

this made me laugh out loud. i've got a buddy of mine that always gets on to me about trying to re-invent the wheel. but my philosophy is that if we aren't pushing the envelope then what are we doing it for?!

keep up the inspiring work my firend!!!


-shake

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At least they're all girls

Yeah, after 5 out of 6 turning out to be males. Oh well, I built a nice new, spacious mother cabinet so that I might put and end to my past "dickin' around". It's time "git to gittin' ".

Movin' forward,
HMR

As Iâ??ve previously stated the rooting of the cuttings seemed pretty much fool proof (thatâ??s me).

The problem that I had with the one cutting seemed to emanate from the stem being on the short sideâ?¦.leaving the stem a little high for the fog zone and a little too close to the neoprene collar on the top side, staying too moist. So it appears that selecting cuttings with adequate stem length is important. (it has since recovered and is living happily on a styrofoam raft)

I actually spent the majority of my time managing the domes. The domes that I liked the best are the â??cake boxâ?� domes from a 100 CD stack. I drilled an 1 1/8â?� hole on the top side and as they overlapped the post rail just a little bit belowâ?¦.flow was easily controlled (and seen) by blocking or unblocking the hole up top. I found a seller on ebay selling the empty domes cheap, so Iâ??ll be better prepared next time.

I donâ??t have any cuttings for an immediate re-runâ?¦.so itâ??ll be a while. But Iâ??ve become fascinated with wilt-pruf or MG leaf shine and will no doubt be part of the next runâ?¦.not fiddling with domes would be nice too. If any of you use either of these and want to commentâ?¦.just do it!

Again, Iâ??m impressed with the speed and consistency over the old clone dome.

Thanks to all that have contributed to this experimentâ?¦..your experience and time are very much appreciated.

Thanks all,
HMR

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But Iâ??ve become fascinated with wilt-pruf or MG leaf shine

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I've been using "Vita-Grow Concentrated Anti-Wilt" for a couple years now, following Stinkyattic's recommendation. Works great, although it wouldn't shock me if some competitive product isn't identical (food-grade wax).

The concentrate seems to keep indefinitely. Once properly mixed (7 parts water : one part anti-wilt) the dilution has a shelf-life of only a few weeks unless you refrigerate it. Hermie recommends using sterile, distilled H2O for the mixture. You can tell when it's bad--it smells like a morgue for garden hoses. :wtf:

I just mix up a few ounces of it--enough to work in the spray bottle--and keep the sprayer in the fridge. Keeps for months like that, if necessary.

Most folks do figure out to spray the bottoms of the leaves as well as the topside, but getting everything--stems, too--helps. A second coat's helpful sometimes, too.

I helped an ex-hockey player set up a medical grow awhile back. The guy's definitely a "bull-in-china-shop" hazard in a growroom. He keeps knocking plants over, snapping off main colas, etc. No problem! He hurries out his cloning kit, recuts, dips, sticks in RR's, leaf trims, and sprays, and he's saved everything he's accidentally amputated. I'm beginning to think he does it on purpose. :pimp:

Dr. Hermie.....I thank you sir...your input is always valued.

If they stand erect for more than 4 hours....do I call a doctor?

HMR