i am not a neo-con or very religous(i do believe in god)so i am a mut.
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i am not a neo-con or very religous(i do believe in god)so i am a mut.
Dude thats just cold. All the people who are in poor countries are "rescource-consuming", they make no contiribution, they just survive. I guess wee should carpet bomb them then, eh? Why not kill the retarded and deformed at birth? Reminding you of someone? And there IS something called adoption!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
That means you can not have to take care of your baby, AND not kill it!!!! And it will have better parents!!!! OMG!!!
I dont think thats at all what nullific was saying smokinindausa... Why should you bring another resource consuming unloved human into this world? Those people in Africa that you mentioned, could really use some birth control. They have so many children that they dont have the RESOURCES to feed them. Its not cold, not at all... The world IS overpopulated, and is getting more and more overpopulated by the second. Whats cold is letting the population rise to the point where you can no longer feed it.
As far as my opinions on abortion... Well I'm sorta on the fence... I believe there are many situations in which an abortion would be the better choice, however, i think too many people are using it as a sort of retroactive birth control. I think its not entirely unreasonable to hold women responsibe for their (unprotected) promiscuity, but its not reasonable to hold them responsible if the contraceptive fails, or if they were raped.
I have no problem with abortion when it's not used as simple last minute birtch control.
"I really don't want a baby." -abortion-
That's what it ends up being a terribly sad thing for the mother.
((I hate it when people terrorize women who are going to have or have had an abortion.. I assure you most have taken all the mental abuse they can handle on the situation, often from themselves.))
Sometimes abortion is just a better solution, especially when it comes to health issues.
So you consider abortion to be birth control? Birth control is condoms and pills. Not sticking a needle into your developing baby and injecting him/her with poison. When an abortion happens, a human being dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgar
What situations would be appropiate for abortion? And how do you prove that thier contraceptive failed? That would just be her word against the state's. People need to understand that the purpose of sex is procreation. God wants you to have babies. Dont chicken out and have an abortion. There is always adoption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgar
Then you are clearly a fucking idiot. Let me make this really really clear to you:Quote:
Originally Posted by llamaman666
Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, abortion is something socienty requires, that why even when it was illeagal here in the UK it still happend (spend a few $s and go see Vera Drake). The real difference between it being and not being legal is this:
Abortion legal = foetus is terminated
Abortion illeagal = foetus and perfectly healthy woman terminated.
Making it illeagal forces it underground meaning you'll get some nasty bastard exploiting women and causnig all manner of health problems likely ening up with a woman being killed unnecessarily, if not contracting some terrible form of blood poisoning.
And you the women that opt for it - they're not stupid you know, they are aware that it really is the last viable option.
And whats Terri got to do with this? 2 seperate debates mate, so keep them that way.
Yeah, what abortion really is is not a pleasant thing, and at 22 weeks (the max limit) thats more than just a bundle of cells, but then, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK IT WAS??!?!?!
Right or wrong its necessary, and if you think the world can cope with having it stopped just liek that, I'd suggest you spend less time in church and more time looking around the world at whats going on.
Perhaps you better get your balls cut off llamaman666, you know, just in case. ;)
Another fucking idiot. Where did you read that? THe back of a cornflake packet? Stupidity like that is why there are such issue regarding it. You really have no idea do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinindausa
Surprised to see its mainly a male point of view being noted in here thus far. Perhaps that with women being more intelligent they are seeing the stupidity of some of the COMPLETE SHIT being said here and choosing to stay away.
In response to smokinindausa:
Being raped for one, thats one situation where i think they have every right to have an abortion. Also, there are times when a woman has a defect, and it would be extremely risky/lifethreatening to bring the baby to term, because upon delivery that woman could die. I dont consider a lump of cells a human being, i just consider it the potential for a human being, and losing a potential human being i think is less tragic than losing an actual human being. I'm not really sure how far along they are willing to give abortions, but i'm against them doing it once those cells start to gain the basic structures of a human being, because there is no way to tell how aware that fetus/womb baby has become, and i think awareness is what makes life special. (all life, except for the basic machine like awareness of microscopic organisms, and bugs.)
Abortion is a extreme form of birth control, but i was actually refering to just regular pills and condoms for those poorer nations.
I'm not really sure how you would prove the contraceptives failed, but i suppose you could be tested for the pill just like any other drug tests, and you could bring in the broken/leaky condom if you still had it, then it could be analyzed to confirm or deny the presence of two seperate DNA samples.
"Perhaps that with women being more intelligent"
Are you just pussy whipped or do you actually believe that crap? There are multiple intelligences, there may be certain areas where woman are more intelligent than men, and vice versa, but there is no way to definitively prove either is the more intelligent sex.
a sad issue wether you are for it or against it.