More death is not the answer.

write your congressman for starters then talk to anyone that will listen. :)

Vote...

Know that term limits work

even if we get a Dud like Gdub....

he will be gone soon enough

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Vote...

Know that term limits work

even if we get a Dud like Gdub....

he will be gone soon enough

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Not soon enough for me :(

Did you read the John Gatto paper I posted? He taught in NY city and wrote The Underground History of American Education. You really might enjoy reading it.

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How public education cripples our kids, and why

http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm

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That is prolbey one of the best summaies of america's school system today as i am in 10th grade at a high school with 2400 students i completely see what he is talking about. How we are all forming into a mold and that independance and indiviuality is looked down apon and how many of the greatest americans that have ever lived never had education though middle school. I will be showing this site to some teachers to see their opinion . The Jay bennish guy was also a very good article he done somthing that took guts to do and i am glad someone has done something like that.

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That is prolbey one of the best summaies of america's school system today as i am in 10th grade at a high school with 2400 students i completely see what he is talking about. How we are all forming into a mold and that independance and indiviuality is looked down apon and how many of the greatest americans that have ever lived never had education though middle school. I will be showing this site to some teachers to see their opinion . The Jay bennish guy was also a very good article he done somthing that took guts to do and i am glad someone has done something like that.

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who was brave? Jay " the one sided socialist teacher" or the kid that had the balls to record him and take it to the press.....

The Kid.....is the hero.

it was a big deal here in Colorado

shit google ward churchill...another of colorados finest..... OMG we are done for.


BC, I have not red the article.

ask BG, I cant read...........im not smart enough.

I feel so happy I'm not the only one who says this. "Thou shalt not kill" There's no room for exceptions. My Christian-Conservative 'friends' always try and say it's OK for soldiers and people in specific situations, but the Bible doesnt' say anything else but "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

Aint it the truth. Christian conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion, An oxymoron if ever there was! It's ok to kill you once you're born! Now as far as war, if it is profitable, then it's allright to kill the "Enemy", the dead Americans are considered collateral damage along with the hundreds of thousands of civilian dead. The almighty dollar rules! I think that every person that condones this war should have to go there and fight! That would stop the damn thing!

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One thing you can do, if you'd like to, is put a little promo thread on the main forum urging people to check in with the latest thread in politics and give their opinion, even if they don't normally frequent that forum. Then you could link it . . . That would help drive them there from the main lounge, and I might even come after you and add a little disclaimer that it contains some heated debates. I could also create the promo, too, if you prefer. Above all, I want you see that I think getting those younger opinions is important, too, and that I truly didn't move this thread over some arbitrary "mod power" decision.

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That's a wonderful idea.

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Aint it the truth. Christian conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion, An oxymoron if ever there was! It's ok to kill you once you're born! Now as far as war, if it is profitable, then it's allright to kill the "Enemy", the dead Americans are considered collateral damage along with the hundreds of thousands of civilian dead. The almighty dollar rules! I think that every person that condones this war should have to go there and fight! That would stop the damn thing!

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Well said.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. I tutor students at a middle school, and I'm starting to realize the failures of our education system. Not that NCLB is helping.

Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focussed on issues other than the main one, and the only important one --


THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

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Not soon enough for me :(

Did you read the John Gatto paper I posted? He taught in NY city and wrote The Underground History of American Education. You really might enjoy reading it.

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what do you think the clinton years were ike for me..... I just waited him out.

I did not have sexual realations with that women.........LOL

He was the best republican (yes he makes gdub look liberal) president since reagan.

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That's a wonderful idea.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. Sadly, it's true as well.

It seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focused on issues other than the main one, and the only important one -- THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

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And the peace it could bring......is what he ment to say.


If it doesnt work i say...lets bring them all home and triple our forces so when we get hit again....we wont fuck around. like we did this time.

Yes I am afraid you are right Lucky....I kind of enjoy when a thread takes a detour ....the mind can hide elsewhere for a sec...:)

I am glad you liked the paper, sirkills you should check out the book...

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Thanks BG.... your great


Do i have to take name calling from you.....


I was trying.....im done

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If you'll read back, Bong, you'll see that I didn't call you a name. I was simply repeating what LuckyNine had said. I don't much care about how literate you are, anyway. If I cared about that with members here, well, I'd be in for fairly steady disappointment. I do care that you get so heated at times that you lose your cool. You have valid arguments, and someday you're going to get to the point where you see that the calmer and cooler you stay as you're making them, the more converts you'll win. Also, the more respect. This is why, among many reasons, it's so troubling for people to listen to Michael Savage. He's a slavering, screaming, emo madman, and until he learns how to keep the crazy-angry-factor in check, no rational, reasonable people can take him seriously.

Truly, no offense intended to you, my friend. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I think you know that.

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If you'll read back, Bong, you'll see that I didn't call you a name. I was simply repeating what LuckyNine had said. I don't much care about how literate you are, anyway. If I cared about that with members here, well, I'd be in for fairly steady disappointment. I do care that you get so heated at times that you lose your cool. You have valid arguments, and someday you're going to get to the point where you see that the calmer and cooler you stay as you're making them, the more converts you'll win. Also, the more respect. This is why, among many reasons, it's so troubling for people to listen to Michael Savage. He's a slavering, screaming, emo madman, and until he learns how to keep the crazy-angry-factor in check, no rational, reasonable people can take him seriously.

Truly, no offense intended to you, my friend. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I think you know that.

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I dont know that..... take all the shots at me you want.....

I'm not going to take shots at you, Bong, and I didn't mean to with my repetition of that word earlier. If that hurt you, I regret it and apologize. You can deny this if you want to, but I do think that, deep down, you know it's important to me to be courteous and civil to folks. Heck, you even know the reasons why better than most. (The life-is-frighteningly-short-we-might-as-well-be-nice lesson I learned in early November when I lost my sister.)

You can choose to be hurt and offended by my repeating that word, or you can choose to see that that repetition wasn't intended maliciously. In the end, I suspect my record of taking the high road will still reflect pretty darn well in comparison to some others I can think of . . . . And if you do choose the hurt-offended route, that'll reveal a lot more about yourself than you might realize.

Love and light to you, Bong. From one of the smartest liberals you'll ever encounter. (And one of the most tolerant, too.)

I allways thought of you as a Level headed democrat.


Im just illiterate.........


if you want to call your self a dumb Lib go ahead, and hang out with Mickey Moore and your girl Cindy sheehan......great company.

Im done BG... you take your shots ill take mine

that wasnt the first time BTW....

I'm not going to take shots, Bong. That's my point. And if you choose to take the low road in response to me, you'll want to think again about that.

Actually, I am a level-headed Democrat. You are the one who combines "dumb" with "lib."

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what do you think the clinton years were ike for me..... I just waited him out.

I did not have sexual realations with that women.........LOL

He was the best republican (yes he makes gdub look liberal) president since reagan.

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I personally do not like the Clintons because of their involvement in arms deals...I don't trust either of them but I would take a Clinton over a Bush any day. There have always been presidents involved in sex in the White House you live in a fantasy land if you think any different. This was one of the first times it has been brought to light.

I personally am not that prudish....

Just think if Hilary (she wont) won
This is our presidents for the last how ever long....

Bush
bush
clinton
clinton
bush
bush
clinton

Does anyone see anything wrong with that.?

Yeah, that is pretty perverse now that I see it listed that way. Good eye-opener!

I'd definitely like another name than Clinton on the end there. Hillary can't win anway. She might get a nomination, but she'll lose it for our team if she does. Too much deep hate and mistrust of her. That's why we need Obama and Edwards to really step up to the plate and join together, I think.

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Yeah, that is pretty perverse now that I see it listed that way. Good eye-opener!

I'd definitely like another name than Clinton on the end there. Hillary can't win anway. She might get a nomination, but she'll lose it for our team if she does. Too much deep hate and mistrust of her. That's why we need Obama and Edwards to really step up to the plate and join together, I think.

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YES!!! I agree!:D :D

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Just think if Hilary (she wont) won
This is our presidents for the last how ever long....

Bush
bush
clinton
clinton
bush
bush
clinton

Does anyone see anything wrong with that.?

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Definately! Clinton is used to being surrounded by bush. Having a Clinton without a bush on both sides just don't seem right.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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That's a wonderful idea.



Well said.

BlueCat, I've been skimming through that paper, and it's great. I tutor students at a middle school, and I'm starting to realize the failures of our education system. Not that NCLB is helping.

Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has unfortunately been focussed on issues other than the main one, and the only important one --


THE IRAQ ESCALATION and the horrors it will bring.

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I know this thread is suppose to be about Iraq...I am going to look up some other stuff and start a thread on the US education system...I swear I was never so disappointed in all my life...Our current system beats kids down and runs on intimidation...hope you'll contribute :)

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THEN SIGN UP don't give me any of that bullshit. YOU ARE A FAKE. My HUSBAND went to Vietnam and so did my dad. You love YOU and the little war games you play on your video game. This is real life. Be a man and join up if you agree with what the president is doing.

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That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

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That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

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It is silly IF taken out of context...if you look at his other posts he promotes war. Anyone that actually talks as if they ENJOY what is going down in this war should be with the boots on the ground.

Yes if you are saying lets go kick their asses lets nuke the entire middle east you should keep your mouth shut...If you are not brave enough to put yourself in the same danger you want our troops to be in YES I believe you should just shut your mouth.

READ his posts and his other threads then you can tell me how silly I am.

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That's kind of a silly statement to make.
If I dont like the current condition of the state I live in I should run for Congress. I support Education so I should be a teacher.
The swimwear competition of a beauty contest was under fire so I entered the contest and wore a bikini.
So if I speak out against crime I should be a cop. Otherwsie I should keep my mouth shut or I'm not a man, right?
I hope you can see how silly your statement was.

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LMAO! How did that go again.......your been pwnd.

Really though, you know my feelings regarding all this but do ya really think that they would take a 44 year old two pack a day smoker? Get real. IF they would, I wouldn't be moderating this site right now. Believe it or not....doesn't really matter.

My grandfather served, my father, my son. The ONLY reason I didn't was because of a medical.......hell, they told me about it at the physical. I was in a treatment facility when I was 16 due to the matter of my parents not appreciating me being just a tad stoned.:rasta: When I tried to join, they said I had a mental disorder (I'm feeling much better now!:D ). I guess being a tad high wasn't appeciated by the military at that time either.:(

I encouraged my son to join and IF he decided to reenlist I would support him and his decision 100%. He says the M1A1 is the best offroad vehicle he's ever drove. I guess them things can go into a side slide if ya do it right.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

COMPLETELY off subject.......kind of........but you have to check out the thread starter here. Kinda fits....not really. :rasta:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...42#post1187842

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Actually the national guard will take you...my husband was 36 when he went through basic training for the secong time...just give up weed for a few weeks. Trust me they will get you into shape.

And you won't have to talk your son into re enlisting Psycho everyone we know that has been active for the last 5 years has gotten a letter. Tell him to just keep checking the mail....or head to Canada which ever path he choses I respect it.

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Actually the national guard will take you...my husband was 36 when he went through basic training for the secong time...just give up weed for a few weeks. Trust me they will get you into shape.

And you won't have to talk your son into re enlisting Psycho everyone we know that has been active for the last 5 years has gotten a letter. Tell him to just keep checking the mail....or head to Canada which ever path he choses I respect it.

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That's a big no way on the Guard also........tried it. THEY don't like ya being a tad high either. I should get some Dems to look into this for discrimination!:mad:

As for Canada.....lol....he can either do what he signed on the dotted line for or have a size 11 stuck up his ass for life. Running from ANY OBLIGATION is wrong! I can understand that when some of these folk were out they thought all was good but they also knew that they were definately committed for a period of so many years.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

LOL.........another way of looking at it.

John 4:16 God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son

Doesn't the world also include Iraq? I thought only neo-cons believed that God blessed America. :D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Sure whatever you can live with...Psycho

if this becomes a nuclear war you can cover your ass with your flag... I am taking my family as far away from the battle as I can get. .

Keep pretended that the lines are not being drawn. This has nothing to do with the Bible or your patriotic duty. I hope you peek out from under your stars and stripes in time to see whats really happening.

I am not prepared to sacrifice my son because Christains and Muslims want to go to different heavens...even though they both claim to pray to the same God. Oh and they want to blow each other up to get there. Yes that makes a lot of sense I'll let my son die for that cause :rolleyes:

You want to sacrifice your child for this bullshit go ahead, this is a subject in which we are always going to differ. It is best just to agree to disagree.

Sinclair Lewis said it best....“When fascism comes to America it will be draped in the flag and carrying the cross.”

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Sure whatever you can live with...Psycho

if this becomes a nuclear war you can cover your ass with your flag... I am taking my family as far away from the battle as I can get.

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SURE! YOU want Iran to have the option of going nuclear. YOU want to leave Iraq in the hands of terrorists. Then when Iran developes their weapons and the nukes fly YOU want to run and cover. THANK YOU!

Maybe if we take care of buisiness now you won't have to run. Your husband in the guard, son in the service......what do they feel about ma's anti-U.S. rhetoric? I'm sorry but it's almost like your bitch slapping your own family.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

what if we did what the libs want, ( cut and Run) and Iran Nuked tele Viv and killed like 80% of the jews......

We know that they dont understand MAD...Ie suicide Bomber proves that.

do we want to wait and see it amad a blah blah jab will do what he says.

Kill the jews.........


Do you libs want the Jews dead?

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SURE! YOU want Iran to have the option of going nuclear. YOU want to leave Iraq in the hands of terrorists. Then when Iran developes their weapons and the nukes fly YOU want to run and cover. THANK YOU!

Maybe if we take care of buisiness now you won't have to run. Your husband in the guard, son in the service......what do they feel about ma's anti-U.S. rhetoric? I'm sorry but it's almost like your bitch slapping your own family.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe? You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power? You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)? You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?

If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now? Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor? Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

I think if you really wanted to stop Nuclear proliferation you'd start at the source and fight to end it everywhere not play God by picking and choosing who WE think should have it. Really what is the criteria?

Iran was able to develop their Nuclear power because WE gave them the capabilities and we secretly armed Israel with not just Nuclear power but the bombs. This is a Neocon wet dream, Enjoy.

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Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe? You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power? You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)? You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?

If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now? Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor? Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

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Encore!!! Encore!!!:clap: :clap:

[align=left]Do you libs want the Jews dead?[/align]Depends, are you Jewish?

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I think if you really wanted to stop Nuclear proliferation you'd start at the source and fight to end it everywhere not play God by picking and choosing who WE think should have it. Really what is the criteria?

ACTUALLY going to use for power or for building weapons. Ya get right to it though.....they all eventually build a missile.

Iran was able to develop their Nuclear power because WE gave them the capabilities and we secretly armed Israel with not just Nuclear power but the bombs. This is a Neocon wet dream, Enjoy.

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Irans nuclear power plants, etc.....was supplied by the Russians. There was a last order for enrichment rods that were held up due to concerns.

LOL........check out where Israel got their nuclear technology from puddy tat! Your beloved FRANCE!!:mad: Do ya need a link??:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Explain to me please, How would the people of this world truely ever make life safe?

They cant.......man is a natural born preditor. All we can do is try to distinguish which ones are a bit intelligent.

You honestly think some how the USA will stop Everyone from getting nuclear power?

LOL.......do ya think that China would let Japan start producing nuclear warheads?

You honestly belive we will stop every single Nuclear weapon from going to (the wrong guy)?

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles?

You think we can keep nuclear power from everyone? (I say nuclear power because the spent rods are what they use in a weapon)

How are we going to keep Nuclear Power from everyone Forever?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.

Even if you destroy Iran, Can't a radical extreamist buy one?
If Iran really wanted a nuke to destroy Israel why haven't they just bought one and blew em up by now?

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile.

Why would they wait tell they built a bunch of power plants and then wait tell they have Spent rods and then build bombs, Knowing that the USA and everyone else has eyes in the sky?

Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya?

Why is the USA not going after North Korea? They have nukes or they have a earthquake machine ROFL.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants.

And what makes you think that a war with Iran would stop it all? Iran isn't even part of Al-qaeda, So are you forgetting about them?

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then.

What makes me laugh the most is the fact that you and Bongo honestly think That mankind will solve World War, And your going to bring PEACE. Have you read history books befor?

Why gosh, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what's a book? Is this the best you've got?

Your wars will bring you nothing but Hate and Destruction. Have fun dieing and being terrified. Your not going to solve anything.

What a waste of life energy.

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People also look back at history and think of how many lives would have been saved if the Nazi's were dealt with before WW2. Or do you think that we shouldn't have involved our asses their either?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

most people from all over the world have lost respect for america and its people over all this the new thing is stupid fucking yanks because your people look so fucking stupid falling for all those lies and all that propagada its the same tactics hitler used and you people are falling for it! WAKE UP!

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Irans nuclear power plants, etc.....was supplied by the Russians. There was a last order for enrichment rods that were held up due to concerns.

LOL........check out where Israel got their nuclear technology from puddy tat! Your beloved FRANCE!!:mad: Do ya need a link??:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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So How are we going to keep nukes away from people? Do you not see how eventually everyone (crazy or not) Allowed to or Not will have Nukes and we should focus on Peace and not Stiring the ( hornets nest) as it where.

You can't honestly think that your going to get rid of(blow up) all who hate someone?

Kill a mans family and he will be mad at you, kill him and his friends will be mad at you, Kill his friends and the town would be mad at you, destroy the town and that country will be mad at you, destroy the country. Guess what? alot of people around YOU will be Mad at you.

Give your enemy Food and Water and make them feel Equal and you might Gain a Brother.

Do not stay on your path of hate there are many people on the same road you will bump into.