Argument supporting god...?

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Originally Posted by Krogith

there are tons of exsamples of how the bible is god inspired. the bible says the earth is a sphear heald apon nothing. the common teaching of the time ranged from earth being flat to it sitting apon elephants backs.

the bible says the stars number as the sands of the sea. compare thoses two things, stars and the sand of the sea. if you counted the stars on the clearest night you will come to about 3000-5000. thats a mear handful of sand. but in fact today we know that 1/2 of the stars we see is a galaxy full of billions of stars and in fact they do number as the sand of the sea.

these are just 2 exsamples of countless teaching that are right and prophecy that have and WILL come true.

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The Bible also says the world was built in six days, and there is no mention of dinosaurs or ice ages in it at all. Saying that because the Bible says there is as many stars as there are sands in the sea doesn't tell you much as both the number of stars and the number of sand particles in the sea are huge and nearly impossible to determine with any exactitude.

God kills forty two small boys in the Bible for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB, look it up yourself), and people wonder why I became an atheist.

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

I've experienced much beauty in my life, and I see it every day when I look at my daughter for instance. I put that down to biology, and you can put that to the test anytime you have a willing partner. You don't need to stoop to insults Mud Dauber, or maybe you do, it's your choice I guess.

Here's why I think the proof is on you. Suppose you and I were sitting in a room together, and I say to you "hey, look at this" and show you something in my hands. I have nothing there, so you can't see it. Let's say I keep saying I can see it. Is the burden of proof on me to produce it, or on you to believe it's right there even if you can't see it.

Take your time.. :)

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Did I insult you ? :confused: I didn't mean to if I did. Do you mean where I said you must have had a sad life ? That wasn't meant as an insult, I only meant that life would be sad with no peace or goodness in it, dont you agree ?

I have children, thank you :) And they are as beautiful as their mother :D

If you showed me something in your hand that I couldn't see, and you were positive and insistent that it was there, I have to honestly say that I would eventually come to believe you. Don't laugh, I really do mean it. I know people who have seen things that others cant (or haven't), I myself have seen a ghost, and am completely convinced that that's what I saw. And that is why I feel the burden of proving God exists doesnt lie on me. :)

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Originally Posted by Krogith

there are tons of exsamples of how the bible is god inspired. the bible says the earth is a sphear heald apon nothing. the common teaching of the time ranged from earth being flat to it sitting apon elephants backs.

the bible says the stars number as the sands of the sea. compare thoses two things, stars and the sand of the sea. if you counted the stars on the clearest night you will come to about 3000-5000. thats a mear handful of sand. but in fact today we know that 1/2 of the stars we see is a galaxy full of billions of stars and in fact they do number as the sand of the sea.

these are just 2 exsamples of countless teaching that are right and prophecy that have and WILL come true.

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The Bible also says the world was built in six days, and there is no mention of dinosaurs or ice ages in it at all. Saying that because the Bible says there is as many stars as there are sands in the sea doesn't tell you much as both the number of stars and the number of sand particles in the sea are huge and nearly impossible to determine with any exactitude.

God kills forty two small boys in the Bible for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB, look it up yourself), and people wonder why I became an atheist.

Which brings us neatly back to where we started. Belief in God is a matter of faith, there is no logic behind it.

No one ever said a woman was logical ;)

But, can you prove he doesn't exist ?

Going to lie down now, my head feels like it's on the rafters !

Your view of other unbelievers shouldn't deter you from the word of God. I wouldn't mistake a soldier for a christian. Who is telling them to fight? They are doing it by their own will.

You think those are acts of mother nature? I'm sure all those that were dying in the waters during those 40 days and 40 nights, thought it was mother nature as well. But guess what? The believers were safe from the killing waters. Tsunami, how does it come about? What does science tell you about them? Why do they come? When do they come? Can science predict them? What can science do for me? Can it keep me alive? I'm not asking if can science can delay my death in the flesh. Why can't science keep man alive forever? I do appreciate the numbness science brings to us, but on a deeper level, what can science do when the end is near?

Can science prove that the earth did not evolve six thousand years ago? According to the scriptures, the earth was formed six thousand years ago. Can science prove that man has existed on earth longer than six thousand years? Can science proved that the people in those days did not live close to 1,000 years? Your view of the earth only being six thousand years old is a private interpretation of the Word of God. Science will never be able to age the earth cause it's not given. I marvel that you believe in science, but reject the SCIENTIST.

According to science we've been here a lot longer than six thousand years my friend.

You've heard of carbon dating right?

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Originally Posted by Stedric

The Bible also says the world was built in six days, and there is no mention of dinosaurs or ice ages in it at all. Saying that because the Bible says there is as many stars as there are sands in the sea doesn't tell you much as both the number of stars and the number of sand particles in the sea are huge and nearly impossible to determine with any exactitude.

God kills forty two small boys in the Bible for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB, look it up yourself), and people wonder why I became an atheist.

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that prophet had just cured the water of that land to no longer make people sick. Lack of faith will always lead to distruction. If you choose to go agenst what god has SAID or DONE, death will be what you recive.

how is there no proof? the fact that everything works so well together and everything runs in order and the fact that there a Millions of differnt life all from the same soup. Proves to me he exsist. your science can;t even tell you WHY you die. No one knows why we age. the body is made to keep running. No one can tell you what, why and when but he who created it.

Just because you have decided to ignore the signs does not mean I have to.

The bible has a ton of proof that it was inspired by God. These people could not of known or guessed that right.

I don't think you are a true representative of the good side of religion. The type that teaches love, understanding and tolerance. Those people do exist, and some of them are religious. Personally I think they have it all wrong, but we manage to get along in harmony and still love one another. You seem to have a hate on against the world because we atheists do not suscribe God's word. All in all you are about the worst advert for religion that there can be.

Sorry, I just tell what the bible says. If your part of the World, then your not going to recive everlasting life after armageddon. It's that simple. Follow or don;t follow. I still love you all and want you to draw close to god because that is the only way. we are all given a chance to draw close or reject. we are all chooseing a path. These are not my words.

I just know that i have an obligation like jesus commanded me to speak about his Father.

Yes, just tell what The Bible says, don't even think about it.

You live in The Dark Ages, before the enlightenment came about. Man is allowed to question, that's part of who we are.

Are you saying God made a mistake when he made us capable of reason?

you have no questions, you have attacks. If a teacher was giveing a lecture, and someone said no thats wrong I know better. Would not the teacher allow the Wrong child to prove himself Wrong? Thus showing him being right in the 1st place?

Wow the Bible mentioned dinosaurs and lava! It must be real then. I wonder why there aren't any stories about people living in the belly of dinosaurs and magic boats with all the dinosaurs floating over the lava? Or how about a caveman calling down a swarm of prehistoric bugs because his people are overworked by the local slave driver. I think they should add these for more entertainment value. Right now it's losing out to the Lion Witch and the Wardrobe and Tolkiens novels for overall fictional novel enterainment value.

I asked you a question right there dude.

Answer it any time you feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

you have no questions, you have attacks. If a teacher was giveing a lecture, and someone said no thats wrong I know better. Would not the teacher allow the Wrong child to prove himself Wrong? Thus showing him being right in the 1st place?

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is the answer

people are alowed to prove them self wrong and not choose god

No, it isn't.

Try again.

you prove to be your own answer. What question have i not responded to? You ask was it a misstake? I respond no he loveingly lets you decide for your self only the one Wanting to serve him will do so.

When has mankind created something? Where were you when the foundation of the earth was set? What were you doing when the universe was put into motion? Where was I? We did not exsist befor he decided to make us. I choose to except this gift of life and serve he who made it, Jehovah God. If you choose to pick your own path i will not stop you. I am trying to help you with questions. That is all.

You answered it now.

Thanks.. that's all I was asking you to do.

Good luck and everything, not my bag, but if it suits you..cool.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Can science prove that the earth did not evolve six thousand years ago?

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How does an earth evolve? Evolution is restricted to living beings, and there was an earth before there were living beings on it. The earth does not evolve.

And assuming that science could NOT prove that the earth was formed six thousand years ago (which it can), that would mean nothing. From a philosophical standpoint, the burden of proof is upon the accuser. I can't prove that you aren't being anally raped by space-monkeys as I write this, but I imagine that that isn't the case (feel free to say otherwise). So you have to prove that the earth WAS formed six thousand years ago.

The bible doesn't say it only exsisted 6000 years ago. find me a scripture to suport that. your comming from a flase idea.

the part about the formming of the world is Genesis, read the account and then argue your point.

The Bible is non admissable evidence in a scientific argument.

Overruled.

LOL

I'm done proving, but don't hate. I have joy in this cold world cause I know what's ahead of me. Peace

No hate here brother.

Peace to you too.

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Originally Posted by FireyBudBurner

Wow the Bible mentioned dinosaurs and lava! It must be real then. I wonder why there aren't any stories about people living in the belly of dinosaurs and magic boats with all the dinosaurs floating over the lava? Or how about a caveman calling down a swarm of prehistoric bugs because his people are overworked by the local slave driver. I think they should add these for more entertainment value. Right now it's losing out to the Lion Witch and the Wardrobe and Tolkiens novels for overall fictional novel enterainment value.

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Actually, from an archeological and an historical standpoint, there are things in the Bible that did happen, and people in the Bible that did exist.

I go lie down for a couple of hours and watch the ceiling spin and come back and it's WWIII.

Iggy, you are insisting that Krogith answer your question, but you never answered mine. :(

I don't remember the exact question. Can you ask me again and I'll try to answer it.

Youve got to be kidding me, right ? I'm sitting here coughing up a lung with the biggest case of medicine head ever seen in the free world, and you want me to trawl through the pages of the thread to find the question ???

You look for it :D

i just would like to say that i dont believe in god persay. i believe that there are creative and destructive forces-yin&yang-there is no good or evil(has anyone noticed that god is just good with an 'o' taken out and devil is just evil with a 'd' added to it?)i combine this yin and yang philosophy with the american indian belief of the great spirit and it works just fine for me. i dont believe that when i die i will go to heaven OR hell, but rather that i will return to the great spirit and merge with him to attain a state of omnipitence and when i have recieved enough knowledge from the ways of the world and the great spirit then i will be reincarnated in the form that best suits the actions of my previous life, but no form is either good or evil as they all serve their purpose in nature. on another point i associate nature with being creative and man being destructive(look at the way the world is and what we do to eachother)i can use my belief to explain things at a base level, maybe not the complexities. i believe in equal exchange, to gain something, you have to lose something. take this for example: you load a bowl with some weed, burn it and inhale the smoke(destructive, as you no longer have any weed)but in return you get high(creative) you destroyed the weed to create a feeling of pleasantness and well-being. make sense to anyone?

sorry for double posting, but i believe that christians, catholics, methodists etc. will be reincarnated as cows, pigs, chickens, and other unthinking animals simply raised by the thousands for food.

your god is horable to keep them liveing and recycling. thats just as bad as the hell idea. all bogas . dust you are and dust you will return.

Hell and the reincarnation idea are all part of distracting you from the truth.

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Originally Posted by MastaChronic

sorry for double posting, but i believe that christians, catholics, methodists etc. will be reincarnated as cows, pigs, chickens, and other unthinking animals simply raised by the thousands for food.

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Thanks for the sentiment, MC ! :D I'm a pacifist and a vegetarian !

And I love you too :D

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Originally Posted by Mud Dauber

Actually, from an archeological and an historical standpoint, there are things in the Bible that did happen, and people in the Bible that did exist.

I go lie down for a couple of hours and watch the ceiling spin and come back and it's WWIII.

Iggy, you are insisting that Krogith answer your question, but you never answered mine. :(

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Yes the Jews were freed by a man named Moses, and a man named Noah did escape the flood on a boat he made but not in the exagerated set of circumstances the bible would have you believe, so at the end of the day its fiction based on a semi-true story.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

The bible doesn't say it only exsisted 6000 years ago. find me a scripture to suport that. your comming from a flase idea.

the part about the formming of the world is Genesis, read the account and then argue your point.

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No one wants to read the Bible in this post man... and creationism and the whole point of creationism is that the world was created for man and men shale rule the world. Now in that sentence right that can you tell me why then would he have a several 100 MILLION year period where man didn't even exsist on this planet. I don't even have to read it to know that it goes something like in 7 days earth is made then do dodo dodo dodo here comes adam and eve and this garden made just for them. No where in there does it say the earth spent MILLIONS of years being uninhabitable to most modern creatures until the climate was right, nowhere. And all of that by the way has been proven by scientists and is generally agree upon by almost every single one.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

your god is horable to keep them liveing and recycling. thats just as bad as the hell idea. all bogas . dust you are and dust you will return.

Hell and the reincarnation idea are all part of distracting you from the truth.

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dude, shut up. your starting to give me a headache, plain and simple. i dont diss on your god, wtf you dissin the great spirit?
and reincarnation makes a lot of sense in theory. in scientific law, matter cannot be created or destroyed only changed, the same is true for energy. now doesnt it make sense that spirits cannot be created or destroyed, only changed? why cant you just accept my own personal beliefs and STOP DISSIN ON THE GREAT SPIRIT! IT AINT NO "GOD", ITS THE MUTHAF*CKIN G-R-E-A-T S-P-I-R-I-T!!!:mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by FireyBudBurner

Yes the Jews were freed by a man named Moses, and a man named Noah did escape the flood on a boat he made but not in the exagerated set of circumstances the bible would have you believe, so at the end of the day its fiction based on a semi-true story.

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I was also referring to the events in the New Testament. Pontius Pilate did exist, and records show that he did crucify a man named Jesus, and did you know that PP's wife became a follower of Jesus, and that PP eventually did too ?

It's funny, too, how many "indigenous peoples" around the world have a story of a flood - makes ya think, huh ? :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by FireyBudBurner

No one wants to read the Bible in this post man... and creationism and the whole point of creationism is that the world was created for man and men shale rule the world. Now in that sentence right that can you tell me why then would he have a several 100 MILLION year period where man didn't even exsist on this planet. I don't even have to read it to know that it goes something like in 7 days earth is made then do dodo dodo dodo here comes adam and eve and this garden made just for them. No where in there does it say the earth spent MILLIONS of years being uninhabitable to most modern creatures until the climate was right, nowhere. And all of that by the way has been proven by scientists and is generally agree upon by almost every single one.

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nope your wrong. In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth. this was long befor the creative days. This statement is serprate from the creative days of the formming of life. Earth was said to be around perhaps billions of years befor he started life on it.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

LOL

I'm done proving, but don't hate. I have joy in this cold world cause I know what's ahead of me. Peace

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And I find this world far less boring because I don't know whats ahead of me.

Peace indeed.

Where's Iggy with my answer ? :( He's abandoned me to the fishes.

Seriously, I don't know which question you are talking about. I looked back and couldn't see it. If the question is right there in your mind let it pop out and I'll do my best to answer it.

It's not that thing about a woman not being logical is it? I have to say I didn't get what you were trying to ask me if it is.

Fire away, I'm ready.