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Originally Posted by Mr.N
There are no studies that say that light-use of Marijuana is harmful. Even for pregnant women. But, as you grow up, a lot of your biological systems render Pot's effects useless. I'm thinking that because (they say) that the extent of recovery, from a head-injury, is greater as you age (probably, meaning that the effects of your endogenous cannabinoids may decline with age), and, because of the melatonin correlation, with puberty. Smoking Pot, as a pre-adult, would be like people, who aren't depressed, using Xanax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
I'm not sure what you were referring to, in the first quote, but, what I was talking about was how people, who are genetically predetermined to become psychotic, start feeling the chemical imbalance, before it's onset, and start smoking Pot to relieve the symptoms. Then the psychosis sets in. It may prevent it in some people, others' genes may be too powerful to prevent it.
dude in my opinion 17 is borderline, i started at late 17, early 18 to smoke. waited till the brains were mature...but everyone starts at 12 it seems and turns out more or less ok...as far as i know. some ppl are more susecptible than others....maybe you should slow down tho, keep the highs a bit lower as you get more used to it. it also depends on your mood...if youre in a good mood you should have a good high...if your in a shit mood...well all sorts of bad things could happen...dont be scared, never. a bit like mushrooms in a way. but BE CAREFUL! one of my best friends best friend went totally mad phycotic, ran about, and hit his head against a wall, fell into coma, and died. now i dont want to scare you...but its important youre well informed. i think if you go about it in a good safe happy way ull be fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
Then would you recommend smoking like once every 2 months? I do feel like my brain is sort of adapting to the cannabias better now, lol.. Not sure if I am just saying that as an excuse to smoke or what lol :dance: . But anyways, I do feel like my brain can't handle it at times. Like the negative effects last longer than they should. Sometimes for weeks and VERY RARELY MONTH's. This could be because of puberty:confused: .... Maybe the shit just isn't for me sadly :( :stoned: , then again there is always alcohal:dance: ..
MeHeartGanja, how old was your friend?
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What do you smoke, when you smoke?
I think its all weed man.. KB, I feel like I can control that better than other shit. Hmmm, mid-green really fucks me up, Snow White fucked me over, Canadian weed(I did a lot of this) really fucked me up. Just fyi when I say it fucks me up, I mean like the "After effects" of the weed on my body. Like many weeks later. For example depression, anxiety, paranoia, psychosis. But as of yet, its pretty good. I jog a 1 and 1/2 miles everyday (excluding yesterday) and I havent smoked for a month. I feel pretty normal again, though sometimes I do battle depression just a tad.
I was psychotic long before I ever tried any drugs !
Thats good to know lol...
No, wrong answer. I meant, (LOL), how much do you smoke, at one time? Do you smoke a joint? Half a joint? A bowl? More than a bowl? A blunt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
Why teenagers should steer clear of cannabis
* 16:21 05 July 2006
Adolescents' use of marijuana may increase the risk of heroin addiction later in life, a new study suggests. Researchers say the work adds to "overwhelming" evidence that people under 21 should not use marijuana because of the risk of damaging the developing brain.
The idea that smoking cannabis increases the user's chance of going on to take harder drugs such as heroin is highly contentious. Some dub cannabis a ??gateway? drug, arguing that peer pressure and exposure to drug dealers will tempt users to escalate their drug use. Others insist that smoking cannabis is unrelated to further drug use.
Now research in rats suggests that using marijuana reduces future sensitivity to opioids, which makes people more vulnerable to heroin addiction later in life. It does so by altering the brain chemistry of marijuana users, say the researchers.
??Adolescents in particular should never take cannabis ?? it??s far too risky because the brain areas essential for behaviour and cognitive functioning are still developing and are very sensitive to drug exposure,? says Jasmin Hurd, who led the study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
But Hurd acknowledges that most people who use cannabis begin in their teens. A recent survey reported that as many as 20% of 16-year-olds in the US and Europe had illegally used cannabis in the previous month.
"Teenage" rats
In order to explore how the adolescent use of cannabis affects later drug use, Hurd and colleagues set up an experiment in rats aimed to mirror human use as closely as possible.
In the first part of the trial, six ??teenage? rats were given a small dose of THC ?? the active chemical in cannabis ?? every three days between the ages of 28 and 49 days, which is the equivalent of human ages 12 to 18. The amount of THC given was roughly equivalent to a human smoking one joint every three days, Hurd explains. A control group of six rats did not receive THC.
One week after the first part was completed, catheters were inserted in all 12 of the adult rats and they were able to self-administer heroin by pushing a lever.
??At first, all the rats behaved the same and began to self-administer heroin frequently,? says Hurd. ??But after a while, they stabilised their daily intake at a certain level. We saw that the ones that had been on THC as teenagers stabilised their intake at a much higher level than the others ?? they appeared to be less sensitive to the effects of heroin. And this continued throughout their lives.?
Hurd says reduced sensitivity to the heroin means the rats take larger doses, which has been shown to increase the risk of addiction.
Drug memory
The researchers then examined specific brain cells in the rats, including the opioid and cannabinoid receptors. They found that the rats that had been given THC during adolescence had a significantly altered opioid system in the area associated with reward and positive emotions. This is also the area linked to addiction.
??These are very specific changes and they are long-lasting, so the brain may ??remember?? past cannabis experimentation and be vulnerable to harder drugs later in life,? Hurd says.
Neurologist Jim van Os, a cannabis expert at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told New Scientist the research was a welcome addition to our understanding of how cannabis affects the adolescent brain.
??The issue of cross-sensitisation of cannabis/opioid receptors has been a controversial one, but these findings show the drug??s damaging effects on the reward structures of the brain,? van Oshe says. ??There is now overwhelming evidence that nobody in the brain??s developmental stage ?? under the age of 21 ?? should use cannabis.?
The research appears in the online edition of Neuropsychopharmacology.
http://www.newscientist.com/search.n...query=cannabis
If you're younger than 18-ish, I'd be judicious in my cannabis use. Why? Because there have been few, if any, studies done on the longterm effects of heavy cannabis use on a developing (e.g. young) brain. There might very well be some pretty harmful consequences. I don't *think* there is, but since there's no evidence either way, hey, it's your brain, it's YOU, and I'm not sure that getting high at that age is worth the risk.
On the other hand, I started smoking at 15, although not heavily until 18, and I came out more or less okay. This is why I suspect there may be no problems even for a young, developing brain. But still, there *could* be problems associated with heavy cannabis use on a developing brain, and I just happened to dodge that particular bullet. Who knows. You weigh the risks and make your own call; I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily a totally frivolous decision. But I don't have to live with the consequences of your decisions -- you do.
Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adultsQuote:
Originally Posted by jamstigator
Peter Fried, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James and Robert Gray
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/166/7/887
When I smoke its usually just 1 g... This was before I quit.. Before I quit it would be 1 g and up.Rarely 2.5 gs, 2 gs around that area beach guy. Then when I finally decided to quit the last few times have been reduced to 1 g. NOW, when I smoked it wasn't a weekly thing. It was like once or twice a month, not in the same week. But give or take 1 or 2 weeks from when I last smoked. So I am what you call a "Light smoker". Hope this helps you guys..
I think for some it is simply not their thing, I am a heavy smoker I guess.
I smoke on average 6-7 grammes a day every day, have done for 15 years now.
6-7 grams a day! Dayum! I did the math, and over 15 years that comes out to 72-84 pounds. When you die, can I have your lungs? I bet I'd get high smoking 'em! ;)
Damnnn psychocat, I give it up to you man, thats pretty impressive? No side effects what so ever?
Thanks Stoneberg.:) I just checked out Deviant and am trying to join now. You've got some nice stuff on there, you do mainly sculpture?Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneberg
I was a computer games artist for a about 13 years (amiga, PC, etc), I do mainly photo-realistic stuff, a pixel at a time. Here's a link to a (cheap but free) site where I have some bits and pieces - I keep the trippier stuff under wraps:) :
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/__121b_LTK...r3e7/zPKhNiw==
Melt
Hey Melt, I kinda want to get into the videogame buisness. Haven any contacts or any advice to give to me?
Thanks man:thumbsup:
I just noticed with me is that I get super paranoid, even when I'm not stoned
but after a long enough break I'm back to normal
takes about two weeks for me to be completely normal
I think I had it temporarily. One night I made a ritz cracker+cheese+big ol bud. A few hours later I was in my garage in the fetal position, rocking back and forth as a smoked a cigarette, except with a mad scientist sorta look on my face. It felt really good though, thats why I got so creeped out.
hahah weird dude...
i've been a chronic smoker for 10years (15-25yrs), and developed a cannabis induced psychosis which was pretty nasty. I ve had two episodes so far which were dreadful, words wont suffice. I had 2 bad acid trips as well, and cannabis just kept triggering it off...i was diagnosed as a schizoid and infact expereinced derangement when tripping on acid, pot, ket and xtc. From believing in being the divinely invested master of the universe reponsible for earthquakes and katrina, to paranoia about getting raped etc. Sadly even after having recovered, I am a cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit, ideas etc. My advice is, if you ever hear voices on pot, quit it!
For some time now the idea that we are part of someone elss dream has been growing on me.
It started one night when I did to many(Or not enough!) GB hits then herd a girls choris sing row, row, row your boat in my head.
I actually kinda liek this idea though : )
I was diagnosed schizophrenic after not smoking weed for a few years. Then I stupidly went to Amsterdam and sampled the fine wares on show. 3 weeks after returning I had my first major panic attack.. if any of you have seen American Psycho then I was in the sort of state the guy was at the end of that movie. I thought the doctors treating me were all in on the conspiracy to eliminate me. It's funny to look back on now. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. It's all a learning experience. I just don't give a fuck anymore. Fear is not an option.
Cannabis psychosis... ahhh. Mental health!
Most people who develop cannabis psychosis were pre-disposed to the condition of schizophrenia/schizoid personality disorder/ scho-anything. These are all psychotic conditions which are made worse by smoking cannabis. Psychotic individuals usually show similar symptoms, including but not limited to : delusions of any sort, hallucinations (most commonly auditory hallucinations), paranoia, catatonic state, dementia-like symptoms, incoherence, and any combination of the above listed.
Psychotic illnesses are usually considered genetic; however it is still unknown what exactly causes psychotic illness.
Cannabis, while being in a class of its own, can be regarded as a hallucinogen. This being said, hallucinogens can generally trigger some pretty horrible reactions in people who are mentally ill or predisposed to mental illness.
I have an uncle who is schizophrenic, i know a few schizophrenics, and I have even had my experiences with psychosis from LSA. In observing each person's behavior, I can only say that each person has a unique case, ranging in severity from severely paranoid and delusional to mildly "out there". What one must realize is that these people do not understand the true nature of their illness. When one is paranoid, delusional, or hallucinating and acting erratic, you must understand what it is that drives a person to behave in such a strange way. You must understand that this person's behavior is a reaction to their inner conflict and personal, emotional experiences. You must understand that the person's behavior is a response to their environment (or perceived environment) and to what they are experiencing.
When a person experiences auditory hallucinations the experience can be very scary. This is because a psychotic person is usually unaware of their own psychotic condition. For example, when my uncle got out of Desert Storm and had his first psychotic episode, he reported hearing voices and was behaving strangely. He described hearing these voices as coming from outside his head-- in his own words, it sounded "like stereo sound all around me". Now think about it for a moment--how would you personally feel if you were hearing people insult you, or running a commentary on your behavior, and you looked around to see where it was coming from, and there is nobody around you? You might start to doubt your own mind. This is where it begins--the very notion that you are going crazy, and can't trust your own judgement.
This experience can be quite frightening, and will often put psychotic individuals "over the edge". There are feelings of confusion and fear and panic, for several reasons-- such as the realization that , as an individiual, you cannot trust your own judgement. Combined with hallucinations and delusions, one ultimately becomes psychotic.
I think the best way to cope with psychosis is to educate yourself from a clinical standpoint. You'll find that what you are experiencing personally and what is written in psychology textbooks often go hand-in-hand... understanding that it's all a chemical imbalance in your brain is the first step in recovery, in my opinion.
Excellent posting there ICW, really to the point.
MelT
i don't think it's psychosis
it just happens that sometimes when your sober
you'll feel something from the last time you got high
read that somewhere...
I find this highly suspicious considering this is his/her first and only post. An anti-cannabis lurker trying to disuade us perhapse? Even so, I'm sure the acid, X, and special-K wouldn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by joesapsycho
Why does that come as no surprise? lol i must have that or something very similar, sometimes i see things that arent there, mostly the same weird guy, and i hear strange things alot too, i definately have withdrawn myself socially... i hardly EVER go out, i know for a fact im paranoid to fuck.. i also guess i neglect myself, but not to any great extent..Quote:
However, in some cases, cannabis use may contribute to the development of a psychosis such as schizophrenia which:
* Constitutes a serious mental illness for the majority of people with the disorder
* Is characterised by hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, paranoia, self-neglect, thought withdrawal, and speech disorders like associative or incoherent speech
and
* Tends to respond less well to treatment than cannabis psychosis
and when i went to the doctors their medication screwed me up even more...
probably the one thing that has helped me the most would be accepting the fact im going crazy, i find i have more control when i know its not really me wanting to do something bad....
Still got enough memory to register on this forum, respond to an email confirmation, write a coherent post (with good grammar too) that is also kind of funny too, in its own special way i.e. Acid, MDMA, Ketamine (FFS!) - but it was the Pot that fucked you up....riiiightQuote:
Originally Posted by joesapsycho
So I don't see how you are cabbage with no memory, concentration, wit or ideas - etc ;) Your post reeks of doublethink.
Unless I don't smell bacon? DEA? Christian far right? DARE?
To be fair though, I think if anyone heard voices on pot, they would quit.
I'll tell you this, cannabis psychosis is extremely possible. I suffered from it for 6 months. It usually comes after your first long session of smoking (more than a few months) that you partake in. You get so lost in your thoughts that are caused by the marijuana, that you slowly begin layering on a number of mental disorders. Paranoia, derealization, depersonalization, depression, anxiety are all caused by YOU, and the way you're letting your mind get warped.
I cured my "Cannabis psychosis" by taking a 6-month break from marijuana, then smoking again and basically going into my brain and reorganizing the way I think. When I first smoked, I walked around this club and realized that I was a very special person compared to these people. That knocked off the low self esteem layer I packed on through my first period of smoking. I smoked again at my house a few days later, and knocked off another layer. and I kept on every few days, basically realigning my thinking pattern and getting it back to a positive state of mind. It works!
From now on when you smoke, remember not to let yourself get lost. Make sure to tell yourself that you're high and be yourself. Don't lose it.
I deffenetly Went through some of these dissorders too. When I keep use of any substance in moderation I have more control. Try and keep a free mind when using stuff, negative thoughts have deffenetly caused bad times for me in the past. Its kinda like being bipolar or something. If im feeling good and do stuff It amplifies my happyness and I have a great time. If I at all start thinking shitty Its a spiral down. I been taking things slow for the last 3 to 4 months getn back on track. Glad to know Im not the only one. Great Links to Information!
yo. Has been good to read through this thread.
Thought id pitch in with my experience. the weed at least contributed to problems. Smoked since early-mid teens maybe weekly maximum then caned it hard from roughly 17 for about five years. The last year or so of that was pretty hellish. Extremely sketchy and anxious most of the time. Was a gradual fade in of these symptoms but ended up being unable to smoke anymore because I was so uncomfortable even around good friends etc. felt like I was going insane even in what actually were (and had been for years), or should be, very relaxing situations. god knows why I carried on for so long but as I say the fade in of the fear I was getting was subtle, I denied that it was happening, and tried to con myself it wasn??t. nothing to do with being influenced by others but many mates caned it up pretty hard and I always had enjoyed it too. So have stopped for a year now. Still a complete wreck in any social situation. Ostracised from many old friends because I cant handle seeing people in what should be relaxing situations. Its not quite the same intense discomfort as when I felt dodgy when stoned but still very uncomfortable. Drink too much to cope when with friends I still do see. Probably sounds like ive completely lost it and in some ways I have. Have pretty much ended up with some sort of anxiety disorder. Though it feels like it when in an uncomfortable situation I know that I haven??t completely gone because I don??t experience (or at least don??t think I do, haha) any psychotic symptoms; I just completely cake myself in any situations involving eye contact (quite a few situations!)I realise its completely illogical, try to fight through it but I cant help it when put in many situations. The fact that there are a few people im ok with and I have some good relationships shows that there is some hope. However, It is a complete nightmare basically and is completely fucking up my life and relationships with people. There have been a few other issues going on but im certain this wouldn??t have happened if I hadn??t blown a good chunk of my mind with pot. Totally not preaching, people can do what they want but too much good gear definitely screws some people. Know a few people whove experienced similar negative effects of weed though not to this extent. Hopefully the anx will go (it needs to) and some evidence of the last year suggests that but it aint budging at the moment. Wondering if anyone??s heard any similar stories/ had similar experiences and what the hell happened to break the person out of their shit!? Know this is a long post and being awake for the last 2 days probably means its pretty damn fragmented but hell
Umm maybe call a doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
I don't know how much you trust them but its an idea.
cheers for advice. definatley sensible. have seen a doctor and im assured that i am not psychotic though the heavy smoking likely messed me up, gave me the initial problems, and now a constant cycle of reinforcement of negative thoughts keeps it going (have basically got used to living in a kind of fear of collapsing in certain situations and so my mind is conditioned to it). could go on benzos or antidepressants but id just get stuck on those and it would only mask problems not cure them. i hate the way the medical industry promotes that stuff anyway so im not sure how much i trust them as you enquired. promising how the prognosis is good anyway although it doesnt feel like that at times. have just got to chill the hell out and should sort itself out like it has before. main message is what many people advise on this thread, dont smoke too skunk too young (think def wait till 18 till you smoke heavily if youre going to) although i would absolutely not have listened to my advice in a while back..
i mean 'too much skunk too young'
i had it full blown, it lasted roughly 10 days..i was hospitalized
im bipolar, which was diagnosed after ( about a year later) marijuana induced psychosis, it happened because a hit for me would be cashing the bong in a deep single rip and doing it in excess of 20 times a day, at one point i didnt sleep, then i didnt eat, thought people were vampiric etc.
ive been off it for 4 months, i dont miss it because the normal good feeling high i no longer recieve instead i feel uncomfortable in my body and overly paranoid..
its like my body evolved to give me signals upon getting high that it doesnt like it..
in retrospect i smoked too much in my life...binge drank too much at that also when i recently turned 21 in april..its been 4 months without mary and alc...the only thing i do now is cigs..
weed psycho. is real, but rare, and you need to reaaaallly be over doing it and other lifestyle factors greatly come in to play when it comes to ones mental state.