as long as i have adequately distracted everyone... :D
i can stop looking like a fool :P
although i DO like a few of those stupid theories and might mess with them :D
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as long as i have adequately distracted everyone... :D
i can stop looking like a fool :P
although i DO like a few of those stupid theories and might mess with them :D
Here's my theory. Freethinkers make all the progress. The people who don't allow their mind to be controlled by the minds of others are the ones who get to make all the progress. But you gotta make baby steps. Most people change slowly, and some are stuck and will never change. I don't think you're a fool, I just think your mind is too far away from where the average person's is right now. And if that's the case, you can't just tell people to go where your mind is, you have to take them there one thought at a time, nice and slow. "Everything you know is wrong." hurts too much for anyone to accept. Besides, its something that's been said by alot of people, all of whom have different opinions of what right is.
I like all of your theories, but when you present them as fact it annoys people because they're just theories. Endlessly interesting to think about, but you can't correct someone else's theory with a contradictory theory. You can only offer it up as another possibile solution to an equation which no one can be sure the answer of.
That's my theory and I'm sticking to it... until someone changes me mind and I find a theory more suitable. -laughs-
We should all be working TOGETHER here...
Alright. Lets team up and form the superfriends.
*avoids posting here*
damnit!
I call Buddha!
stonershadowwolf gets jesus.
I call aquaman if thats cool with everybody.
Buddha and I thank you :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
what?!? why do I get jesus?!? or is it one of those ironic twists kinda things?
cuz if you dont all already know, i'd sooner be the antichrist!
*demonic disembodied eyes with a piercing gaze of firey rage*
you have long hair. you have to be jesus. its the rules.
Umm, okay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Devolving from gods? When did these "gods" exist? What the hell are "gods" anyways? Why are they devolving into humans? How are they devolving into humans? Where's the evidence for all this? And what does any of it have to do with history?Quote:
we never NEEDED history, because we were de-evolving from GODS.
Uhh, it's inaccurate in a lot more ways than that. For instance, that whole bit about the Jews being enslaved in Egypt and then wandering around in the desert for 40 years. There's not one shred of archeological evidence that that ever happened.Quote:
and the bible is largely inaccurate too, mostly in chronology and mathmatics.
The funny thing about most of the religions out there is they believe God is tyrranical man-like figure that walks the earth and controls all that is around us. I don't believe it. Each of us are an extension of god, we all possess god like powers. I'm not talking about what you see in movies about Jesus ascending to heaven or god causing Tsunamis. Nature is one aspect of god, after all, what is the purpose of life if we don't suffer? I refer to that each decision in one's life affects others, whether directly or indirectly. We each have the power to create life, take life, we each control our destinies to an extent. The rest is controlled by the environment and energies that surround us. This is the purpose of religion. This is a message that is lost. Everytime we feel we done wrong, each of one feels burden, or guilt. The purpose of spirituality is not to have guilt be your hinderance, to be free of it by being a good person, positive, and good to others. You don't have to believe in god to achieve this. This is where I disagree with others. People get too caught up in believing in god, paying tithes etc., rather than trying to get in tune with one's self. God is the environment, the energy, and you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Science can explain what life is through logic and reasoning. How you live it is through god.
But what IS God? You've given a very vague description. As far as I can tell, the universe is made out of matter, energy, space and time, and that's it. I have no reason to believe in anything further, as I see no evidence of it anywhere. I believe in being a good person and all, but I don't see why we have to attach it to this vague "God" idea. I'm a good person because I genuinely care about the feelings of others, and I want to do what I can to make this world a better place for them. That's built right into our genes. Our ancestors who didn't have a genetic predisposition to help out their fellow man died out. We are a very social species. We depend on each other for survival, and to ensure that our societies stay together we have evolved the trait of empathy, that is, being able to "feel for" others. We feel horrible when we know our loved ones are in pain, and we feel great when we've provided our loved ones with pleasure. It is just the product of evolution, of high intellect and the need to keep our societies together, not the product of a supernatural entity. I don't see why we need to attach to this phenomenon a name which is commonly understood to mean an omnipotent, omniscient human-like father figure who rules over the universe with absolute power, punishing those who don't follow his rules and rewarding those who do.
matter, energy, space and time, oneironaut, are ideas invented by god, and breathed into reality.
god is nothing but the collective of all ego/spirit/souls. we created god by existing, we are god when we all work together as one.
HAHAHA!!! People like toothpick drive me insane. There's on logic or rational thought behind anything he's said. I think what he met by fossilize book was that bones can fossilized "quickly." Too bad the bones ages are determined by the decay rate of C-14 and at which level of sediments they were found at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
What the hell is this "God" thing you keep talking about? Please, define your terms, and then show me your evidence. Otherwise, I cannot possibly take statements like this seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Huh? Why not just call that thing "humanity" then instead of "God"? That seems to be a closer approximation of the idea you're trying to express here. Unless you're trying to say that human consciousness is all-powerful, all-knowing and created the universe.Quote:
god is nothing but the collective of all ego/spirit/souls. we created god by existing, we are god when we all work together as one.
I give up on this thread its not going anywhere
You'd be hard-pressed to find any debate on religion or politics that "goes anywhere". In the vast majority of cases people leave with the exact same views they started out with. Or at least they claim to; it's very embarrassing for people to admit they were wrong about such things. You have to just keep an open mind and be willing to be shown wrong, I guess.
"please put the source of reality inside the box that is reality, only then will i believe something created reality"Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
that's about what i get from that, one.
you're trying to put a greatness that has not even created symbols for all it's own greatness to put itself inside one of it's symbols.
it's like the sims. let's recreate will wright in perfect likeness to himself, and put him in the sims.
*computer crash* the information required to perfectly recreate Wright would require more than our computers can currently handle.
that is how humans are too. weak computers inable to comprehend their creater's greatness.
the sims cannot understand flesh and (real) genetics, to them, we live to be thousands of years old, but of course the sims are a game, nothing like reality. :rolleyes:
the point is, reality has not (and forever will not) ever evolved to -- the entity that is god.
it is three realities that create one, which those other three cannot enter as one, but govern over as the three that they are.
you would say that physics are one of the three parts of god.
then thoughts would make the next, right? or what would you say would?
and... um... i guess matter and body makes the third part...
i dunno, i lost track of where this was going, three or four conversations going on now, i think i'll just stop arguing lol
Well, if God is real, then he's surely part of reality, right? If God's not part of reality, well then he's just not real. I can't reason otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
What you're basically saying here is: "There's something out there and I don't know what it is or where it is, and I don't have any evidence that it even exists. In fact it's so mysterious we will never know what it is." That doesn't get us anywhere. It's like me saying there's something called a foozlefizzle. I don't know what a foozlefizzle is, but it's really big and mysterious and invisible and I can't prove to you that the foozlefizzle exists, but I have faith in the foozlefizzle. We will never understand the foozlefizzle because it is undetectable and enormously complex, but let's just assume it exists even though I don't have any evidence that it does.Quote:
you're trying to put a greatness that has not even created symbols for all it's own greatness to put itself inside one of it's symbols.
Sure there are things in this universe we don't understand, but inventing vague abstract ideas like gods to explain them will only hinder us in our search for what's really going on.
What creator? Where is the evidence for this creator? What is so objectionable about the idea that the universe just is? There doesn't seem to be any intrinsic purpose for our existence. We just are. There's no reason we need a creator any more than your God needs a creator, so why postulate one if there's no evidence for it?Quote:
it's like the sims. let's recreate will wright in perfect likeness to himself, and put him in the sims.
*computer crash* the information required to perfectly recreate Wright would require more than our computers can currently handle.
that is how humans are too. weak computers inable to comprehend their creater's greatness.
Again, you're using the word "God" without defining what it is. Can you give me some idea what this word means? You obviously must have some clue if you're using it in this sentence here. All I can gather is that it's some big invisible mysterious force that made the universe, that doesn't necessarily have a cause in itself. Following Occam's Razor, I'd rather cut the confusing God step out of that process and just say the universe doesn't necessarily have a cause in itself. Unless some evidence of this extra step is found, there's no reason to assume it took place.Quote:
the sims cannot understand flesh and (real) genetics, to them, we live to be thousands of years old, but of course the sims are a game, nothing like reality. :rolleyes:
the point is, reality has not (and forever will not) ever evolved to -- the entity that is god.
I would say that physics can account for everything in the universe. Everything is made out of something, or it doesn't exist. If God is real, he must be made out of something, and physics should be able to uncover what that something is. If God is not something, then God is nothing, i.e. not real. I simply cannot conceive of something that is not made out of anything and yet still exists. I have never been very good at doublethink.Quote:
it is three realities that create one, which those other three cannot enter as one, but govern over as the three that they are.
you would say that physics are one of the three parts of god.
Thoughts are a part of physical reality. Think about it. Where do thoughts occur? The brain. Can we observe the brain? Yes. Can we observe thought patterns in the brain? Yes, indirectly, but we know that's where it's going on. For instance, real physical chemical molecules (drugs) can effect your thoughts and behavior. We can even identify certain parts of the brain that are associated with specific cognitive tasks. These parts of the brain receive more blood flow when those tasks are being performed, we can influence the performance of those tasks by stimulating that part of the brain with electrodes, and people who receive injury to that part of the brain have difficulty completing the tasks associated with that part of the brain. This all only makes sense if thought is a physical process going on inside the brain. How could a non-physical "soul" be affected by physical drugs and physical brain injuries? How does this "soul" direct the blood flow and neuron firings in the brain without breaking the laws of physics in some obvious observable manner? Why do we even need to keep the ancient idea of a "soul" when we know how the brain works anyways? We gave up the idea of a rain god when we found out how rain works, didn't we?Quote:
then thoughts would make the next, right? or what would you say would?
It should be fairly obvious to anyone with working eyes that matter and bodies are part of physical reality.Quote:
and... um... i guess matter and body makes the third part...
I don't know where this is going either, especially since I still have no clue what this "God" thing is supposed to be.Quote:
i dunno, i lost track of where this was going, three or four conversations going on now, i think i'll just stop arguing lol
this is my point, the sims have no evidence of will wright existing. to them he is just a myth, and all will wright sims are just copies and false interpretations thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
because will wright cannot be exactly interpreted in his own game.
what you said, as a sim:
"What creator? Where is the evidence for Will Wright? What is so objectionable about the idea that the Neighborhood just is? There doesn't seem to be any intrinsic purpose for our existence. We just are. There's no reason we need a creator any more than your God needs a creator, so why postulate one if there's no evidence for it?"
and will wright is laughing real hard at his creations, that they debate about his existance.
who created will wright
and in turn, who created will wrights creator
etcetera.
Where's it end?
And if the sims knew they were created in will wrights likeness what difference would it make on their lives?
yes, they'd be all offended, they'd be all: "liek omg they got better architecture than we do! look! they have free rotation for their objects! we only get 4 different angles!"
lol.
You still didn't answer my first three questions though.
You guys have shallow minds. Don't you want their to be something else that maybe you can grow a part of through evolution? It doesn't matter if it's a God, but don't you want the same force that created our complex physiological bodies to be too complex for you to understand, much less denying that it exists?
You're really fucking arrogant to say we have shallow minds beachguy. Unbelievably so.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
I already stated in my other thread that whatever originally created us is too complex for us to ever fully understand.
Really. Really fucking arrogant.
Should we stop TRYING to understand it with the best of our capabilities simply because we'll never be able to understand it in full?
No one is denying there is an unexplained force out there, that in our current form we are incapable of understanding completely. I'm simply saying it's very possible this universe is all there is, and this universe is enough to be considered god without some force outside of it dictating its existance.
Get off the pedastool beachguy, and back in your recliner. I liked you better there.
No one is denying the existence of God, for christ sakes... it just seems that everyone has a different view about what God is. Can it be said enough?
I'm still in shock at this part. I thought beachguy was a humble kind of wise guy. And there's no such thing as an arrogant kind of wise guy. -frroowwwnn-Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
And no one is saying that there isn't a possibilty of SOMETHING that created everything... but some think that that "something" isn't by definition God.
God
n 1: the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions [syn: God, Supreme Being] 2: any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force [syn: deity, divinity, immortal] 3: a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men" 4: a material effigy that is worshipped as a god; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god" [syn: idol, graven image]
I mean when you say God, you mean the supreme being... I don't think of it as a being but more of an event almost. But I also believe personally, that the universe has always been running it's course... how, I'm not sure... maybe constant cycles of life and rebirth... the vaccum "big bang and big crunch" theory?
-froooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn-
his parents... :D and their origonal roots are god... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADaisyChain
sort of self created i guess, but you must realize, we are like the sims, we are limited in our ability to comprehend the greatness of our creater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ADaisyChain
it is that our computer is a 5 GHz processer, but in order to render our creater, we need a 500GHz processer. (and by the time our creater can make a 5ooGHz processer for us, our creater will need a 500THz! lol)
wherever it begins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ADaisyChain
and will wright said "let us create the sims in our image"... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADaisyChain
If our creator doesn't need a creator... why do we? Why can't we just 'exist miraculously' the same way people think he does?
DOES NOT COMPUTE.
WARNING: MELTDOWN
lawling/waiting
im not saying our creater doesnt need a creater
im saying that we lack the resources to compute what our creator is, let alone it's origons.
bu tmy theory is it is a frequent mirror, god created man, created sims, created ai???... etc.
:(
Talking in circles.
Oh well, not a big deal. I'm almost sober anyway, so I'm gonna be leaving soon.
Debating with you is really bad ssw.
I'll say it though...
If our creator needs a creator, then our creators creator needs a creator, who also needs a creator, who in turn, also needs a creator. And so on for infinity. And if this is true, since humans can't comprehend it... how would you know?
How many of you have spent more than an hour praying this week?
for one to know the globe, they must walk forever in circles, as it is constantly changing.
to debate with me is to debate with the collective of mind, a universe of possibilities.
Well then stop talking like you know, it makes things more confusing.
Preface your 'possibilities' with
"well it's possible that...."
instead of jumping right in and stating your possibilities as fact. If I knew you just thought of them as theories, and didn't actually believe you had any proof behind them beyond a guess, I wouldn't keep inquiring.
And if you presented them as POSSIBILITIES instead of as fact, debating with you would be interesting, rather then annoying. Because 99% of the time I read your possibilities stated as fact and think "How can he possibly think he has proof of this rather then just taking a guess like everyone else is?"
I'm sober and leaving. Peas.