Terrorists Attack Grips London

Abolute nighmare. I was outside Southhwalk bidge for ages yeteday trying to get to the office, but it all closed, then word went around and I gave up. Ended up having to go back to a mates house (where I had to stay, couldnt get the train home), then get them to give me a lift to Watford Juntion this morning.

Asbolute crap. My top lips been stiff since about mid-morning yesterday.

Now, being that GWB says 2+2 = 78.3, does this mean we should go an invade France now? You know, in the name of freedom? After all, the have WMD - Wine of Mediocre Distinction

you dont need to invade France,just say BOO!

WMD - Wine of Mediocre Distinction

HAHAHAHA....

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Originally Posted by Funken Monken

Abolute nighmare. I was outside Southhwalk bidge for ages yeteday trying to get to the office, but it all closed, then word went around and I gave up. Ended up having to go back to a mates house (where I had to stay, couldnt get the train home), then get them to give me a lift to Watford Juntion this morning.

Asbolute crap. My top lips been stiff since about mid-morning yesterday.

Now, being that GWB says 2+2 = 78.3, does this mean we should go an invade France now? You know, in the name of freedom? After all, the have WMD - Wine of Mediocre Distinction

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Our prayers are with you man. Dont worry about some of these guys here pretending they care. they just like waking up and seeing the wars drums being beaten. I hope noone you know has been injured/killed.

^^^ Tip of hat in general direction.

I have to be honest, the consideration I've experienced not only here but form colleagues around the world has been incredible and a welcome 'virtual hug'.

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Originally Posted by Funken Monken

^^^ Tip of hat in general direction.

I have to be honest, the consideration I've experienced not only here but form colleagues around the world has been incredible and a welcome 'virtual hug'.

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Where do you stand now? Would you support the war or do you think that we need to seriously consider pulling out/using more diplomatic means? You've lived through terror so im really curious as to where you stand.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Where do you stand now? Would you support the war or do you think that we need to seriously consider pulling out/using more diplomatic means? You've lived through terror so im really curious as to where you stand.

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...Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them. Lo! Allah guids not these wrongdoing people. (Quran Surah 5:51)

And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can overcome. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all you can by armed force...(Quran; Surah 8:59-60a)

...slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare to ambush them. But if they repent and establish [Islamic] worship...their way is free. Lo! Allah is forgiving and Merciful. (Quran; Surah 9:5)

...Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them...(Quran; Surah 9:73)

And what diplomatic means do you suggest?

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Where do you stand now? Would you support the war or do you think that we need to seriously consider pulling out/using more diplomatic means? You've lived through terror so im really curious as to where you stand.

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we arent going to pull out.it isnt even an option.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

...Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them. Lo! Allah guids not these wrongdoing people. (Quran Surah 5:51)

And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can overcome. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all you can by armed force...(Quran; Surah 8:59-60a)

...slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare to ambush them. But if they repent and establish [Islamic] worship...their way is free. Lo! Allah is forgiving and Merciful. (Quran; Surah 9:5)

...Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them...(Quran; Surah 9:73)

And what diplomatic means do you suggest?

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First bruiser now you? What's your point of posting those references. YES okay we know their religion has discrepancies just like OUR religion does. assuming you conform more easily with christianity.

You cant just post that stuff and make everyone assume they're evil because of it. information age remember? that stuff doesnt work on people who actually care about the results of their actions against others.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

we arent going to pull out.it isnt even an option.

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Who says? keep pissing people off and who knows what lies in store? if bush or blair tried to keep people subjugated and insist on doing things their way they might find things a bit unpleasant when the riots start.

congress.

riots,nigga please.your gonna see a change in all that and you know it.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

First bruiser now you? What's your point of posting those references. YES okay we know their religion has discrepancies just like OUR religion does. assuming you conform more easily with christianity.

You cant just post that stuff and make everyone assume they're evil because of it. information age remember? that stuff doesnt work on people who actually care about the results of their actions against others.

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Information age..EXACTLY! This is the interpretation of the Quron that the terrorists believe. As you would say, don't dodge the issue! How would you, as the leader of an industrialized country, deal with that type of logic?

Your always great to assume, I conform to no religious beliefs except for the 10 basic commandments that is pretty much a universal. Don't steal, kill, rape, you know, basic human decency. Of course, piss on me and I'll fuck ya up! "God given right?" Maybe, maybe not.

NOW, how would you negotiate with the mentallity that performed the actions yesterday?

you shoot all the extremists you can and let god or allah sort them out.

full metal jacket was great.

Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
First bruiser now you? What's your point of posting those references. YES okay we know their religion has discrepancies just like OUR religion does. assuming you conform more easily with christianity.

You cant just post that stuff and make everyone assume they're evil because of it. information age remember? that stuff doesnt work on people who actually care about the results of their actions against others.




Information age..EXACTLY! This is the interpretation of the Quron that the terrorists believe. As you would say, don't dodge the issue! How would you, as the leader of an industrialized country, deal with that type of logic?

Your always great to assume, I conform to no religious beliefs except for the 10 basic commandments that is pretty much a universal. Don't steal, kill, rape, you know, basic human decency. Of course, piss on me and I'll fuck ya up! "God given right?" Maybe, maybe not.

NOW, how would you negotiate with the mentallity that performed the actions yesterday?

Still waiting for the reply Nic!

come on now...we can pick some disgusting stuff from the Christian bible too...

The Christian bible mundered innocent children....Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: (11:4-6) These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God (see 12:29-30) was premeditated.
11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

Hmmmmm I thought we were all God's children....I guess not...

But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.....

this is a little severe isn't it?
21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. (21:15, 17) Kill unruly children
A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed.
Does God want children to die?
Slavery is approved by God, and those who steal slaves must be killed.

21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

They are religious fanatics....just like the christian ones....you deal with them just like you would any nut....but you can't use their Koran as your weapon....

i agree.i believe any religous text COULD be taken many ways.

I know that and Christian fanatics use that shit also....doesn't make them any better than AlQueda at all.
I'm just wondering how he would stop these people from further actions like that. He stated that with the "information age" people, such as himself, could see around that. Well, it is the beleif of AlQueda whether we like it or not. How would Nic solve this?

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

congress.

riots,nigga please.your gonna see a change in all that and you know it.

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amsterdam....are you black? if you are then cool...if not then could you please refrain from your ghetto ebonic statements? Why would you use "street" language when you arent even willing to go through the dodgier areas to sign up.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Information age..EXACTLY! This is the interpretation of the Quron that the terrorists believe. As you would say, don't dodge the issue! How would you, as the leader of an industrialized country, deal with that type of logic?

Your always great to assume, I conform to no religious beliefs except for the 10 basic commandments that is pretty much a universal. Don't steal, kill, rape, you know, basic human decency. Of course, piss on me and I'll fuck ya up! "God given right?" Maybe, maybe not.

NOW, how would you negotiate with the mentallity that performed the actions yesterday?

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You're just justifying extremism dealing with extremism. I would negotiate by not sending troops all the time to bomb their cities. that might be a great start. or how about doing something about the israeli government set up in the middle east that was supposed to piss them off in the first place.

Then if they continue to bug me even if i leave them alone, THEN the military force.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

you shoot all the extremists you can and let god or allah sort them out.

full metal jacket was great.

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im not surprised you enjoyed the film.

sorry for taking so long to reply p4b

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

You're just justifying extremism dealing with extremism. I would negotiate by not sending troops all the time to bomb their cities. that might be a great start. or how about doing something about the israeli government set up in the middle east that was supposed to piss them off in the first place.

Then if they continue to bug me even if i leave them alone, THEN the military force.

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Plan 2 please.
They have no country and no cities as demonstrated by the outrage of the middle east concerning their actions.

Israel is a great start but if you don't believe and follow the words of Allah you are an infedel and should die or be converted.

In order to appease these people we would have to convert to their extreem style of Islam and give up ALL rights. Are you willing to do that for peace?

Damn boss wants me to work..I SHALL RETURN! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Plan 2 please.
They have no country and no cities as demonstrated by the outrage of the middle east concerning their actions.

Israel is a great start but if you don't believe and follow the words of Allah you are an infedel and should die or be converted.

In order to appease these people we would have to convert to their extreem style of Islam and give up ALL rights. Are you willing to do that for peace?

Damn boss wants me to work..I SHALL RETURN! :D

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Come back soon. But your words about following allah might be what the book says but the majority of muslims dont believe in supporting that practice. just like the majority of christians dont "dash the heads of babes agains the rocks"

I wont give up my rights. I wont take theirs either. And i wont let them try to convert me or my people forcibly. But how about we wait for them to actually try to do that before we jump the gun? or set up a sytem where we watch to see what they do? and how about an actual country to wage war with instead of an ideal?

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Where do you stand now? Would you support the war or do you think that we need to seriously consider pulling out/using more diplomatic means? You've lived through terror so im really curious as to where you stand.

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Whats the war got to do with this? Simple answer to that one:

Fuck all.

I still dont support it, never did, and this has not changed my mind in anyway. Like I've said elsewhere, we may as well go an invade France - it makes about as much sense as the US going into Iraq (see previous answer).

you cant kill an iguana by cutting off its tail,you have to rip its heart out.

Somewhat missplaced metaphor there dude.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Come back soon. But your words about following allah might be what the book says but the majority of muslims dont believe in supporting that practice. just like the majority of christians dont "dash the heads of babes agains the rocks"

I wont give up my rights. I wont take theirs either. And i wont let them try to convert me or my people forcibly. But how about we wait for them to actually try to do that before we jump the gun? or set up a sytem where we watch to see what they do? and how about an actual country to wage war with instead of an ideal?

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Agreed, most Muslims follow the peaceful interpretations of the Quran and should not be even remotely blamed for any of the extreemists actions!

Their goal is to either convert you or kill you, simple logic( on their behalf). Demonstrated yesterday in London.

Set up a system to watch to see what they do? Big brother is watching? National ID cards? When we implement a system to watch them, we also infringe on the rights of the people that have no affiliations like me and you. So how do we do this and maintain our civil liberties?

An actual country to wage war against? Which one? All countries you would suspect of harboring AlQueda has denounced yesterdays actions so we are left with what is more or less gangs in cities. Tough situation to deal with for me, you, and don't mean to piss ya off but Bush, Blair, etc......world leaders. Hell, even Putin has his hands full with the extreemists in Chechnia (I know I slaughtered that spelling).

muslims are at a huge risk also from these pee-ons.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Agreed, most Muslims follow the peaceful interpretations of the Quran and should not be even remotely blamed for any of the extreemists actions!

Their goal is to either convert you or kill you, simple logic( on their behalf). Demonstrated yesterday in London.

Set up a system to watch to see what they do? Big brother is watching? National ID cards? When we implement a system to watch them, we also infringe on the rights of the people that have no affiliations like me and you. So how do we do this and maintain our civil liberties?

An actual country to wage war against? Which one? All countries you would suspect of harboring AlQueda has denounced yesterdays actions so we are left with what is more or less gangs in cities. Tough situation to deal with for me, you, and don't mean to piss ya off but Bush, Blair, etc......world leaders. Hell, even Putin has his hands full with the extreemists in Chechnia (I know I slaughtered that spelling).

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No i think you're misinterpreting me. We're both working men so it's cool .i understand the rush.

WHo's "they"? You keep saying it as if the iraqis are doing the terrorism. im not saying lets give the terrorists a big hug but i am saying let's not put ourselves in a position to be perceived as the bad guys either. then we have leverage to work with when we ask other countries to support us.

When i say watch them i wouldnt be asking for any overstepping of the spy intelligence agencies and what they do now. i meant use more satellites and whatever other gizmos they use nowadays. we dont need national id's. they havnt worked in spain and they sure dont work anywhere else. even the chinese are ready to revolt if such a system is implemented. and their government has proved to be way less than tolerant of dissenters.

right. there are many couintries with al-qaeda affliliations. why pick the one with little or absolutely no connection? is it because we dont want an ACTUAL war with a country that can fight back or because of bad intel?.

no connection?zarqawi fled to iraq after being shot in afghanistan and set up a training camp about a year and half before we went in.BOOM,CONNECTION.

not to mention his admitted paying of suicide bombers families in Palestine./connection number 2.

i promise we have 1000's of undrecover agents in all those countries.those are the people who die and you NEVER hear about.but they are there.

we have a long,long way to go with our spy network because it was destroyed in the 90's.gee thanks.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

no connection?zarqawi fled to iraq after being shot in afghanistan and set up a training camp about a year and half before we went in.BOOM,CONNECTION.

not to mention his admitted paying of suicide bombers families in Palestine./connection number 2.

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HE WENT TO IRAQ AFTER BEING SHOT IN AFGHANISTAN/ Thats what im saying!

We were in iraq before he got shot. he didnt bite a bullet and then move to iraq and take over the government. stop being silly. if you want to use that then what about the lybian syrian iranian...terrorists that cross over into iraq now on a daily basis?

[QUOTE=amsterdam]i promise we have 1000's of undrecover agents in all those countries.those are the people who die and you NEVER hear about.but they are there.

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Well goin by what happend in london, THEY ARE DOING A SHIT JOB THAT AINT WORTH A CRAP

actually we werent there yet,we were still wasting that year at the U.N.(1 WHOLE YEAR)


shall i post some more pics of some of those dead terrorists that try to cross the border from operation arrowhead about a month ago.


this isnt gonna be some band-aid war.it gonna be LONG and hard.but we will win.i agree,we need to do more with those borders.i would send up about 2000 snipers and give them the green light to shoot on sight people sneaking across.

whats your plan?

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

actually we werent there yet,we were still wasting that year at the U.N.(1 WHOLE YEAR)


shall i post some more pics of some of those dead terrorists that try to cross the border from operation arrowhead about a month ago.


this isnt gonna be some band-aid war.it gonna be LONG and hard.but we will win.i agree,we need to do more with those borders.i would send up about 2000 snipers and give them the green light to shoot on sight people sneaking across.

whats your plan?

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That's a better plan than just bombing everything. It still isnt that great because where would the engagement rules lie? we have soldiers now that snipe little kids thinking they might have a bomb on them.

did innocent people die in the bombing?YES.

i donate alot of money to the adopt a sniper and i am happy with their role.perhaps they wouldnt have to shoot them if the cowards didnt use them to carry arms or use children with downsyndrome to become bombs.

i am not even sure what the bombing everything comment was about.we were actually picking out what windows to shoot the missle through and what direction the blast should blow.i am sure some innocents were killed but saying we bombed everything is wrong.damned if you do ,damned if you dont.oh well.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

did innocent people die in the bombing?YES.

i donate alot of money to the adopt a sniper and i am happy with their role.perhaps they wouldnt have to shoot them if the cowards didnt use them to carry arms or use children with downsyndrome to become bombs.

i am not even sure what the bombing everything comment was about.we were actually picking out what windows to shoot the missle through and what direction the blast should blow.i am sure some innocents were killed but saying we bombed everything is wrong.damned if you do ,damned if you dont.oh well.

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im starting to see where youre coming from. the logic is a bit off in my opinion but hey...what can ya do.

on the alex jones show they have a british guest on the line talking about the british wont be behind blair. im not saying its gospel but alot of people are getting pissed on a large scale and i dont think they're going to fal for the "go git em" approach the way americans do.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

No i think you're misinterpreting me. We're both working men so it's cool .i understand the rush.

WHo's "they"? You keep saying it as if the iraqis are doing the terrorism. im not saying lets give the terrorists a big hug but i am saying let's not put ourselves in a position to be perceived as the bad guys either. then we have leverage to work with when we ask other countries to support us.

When i say watch them i wouldnt be asking for any overstepping of the spy intelligence agencies and what they do now. i meant use more satellites and whatever other gizmos they use nowadays. we dont need national id's. they havnt worked in spain and they sure dont work anywhere else. even the chinese are ready to revolt if such a system is implemented. and their government has proved to be way less than tolerant of dissenters.

right. there are many couintries with al-qaeda affliliations. why pick the one with little or absolutely no connection? is it because we dont want an ACTUAL war with a country that can fight back or because of bad intel?.

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When I refer to "they" I mean AlQueda and associates. We could be doing nothing but good and "they" would still see us as the bad guys do to our religious beliefs.

What country at the present time would really be a challenge to us..only two. Russia and China. With the technology we possess other countries are definately not even close to being our equals...MILITARILY.

Use satellite imagery? Joe government looks on this forum and has a feeling that you are crossing a line. Guess who the camera is zoomed in on!

Bottom line is there is no easy answer to this situation. No enemy you can see or touch. No pinpoint position to attack. Yesterday at the G8 government heads from all the industrialized countries: U.S., Britan, France, Russia, China all stood together and denounced the actions. Iran, Syria, Palestine, Hezbolla, Hamas denounced the actions. Where do we start to look? How? I really believe our leaders throughout the world are looking at it in the same fassion. How do we get the terrorists while not pissing off the populous?

because they see the governments using these terrorist attacks to get through provisions that otherwise people wouldn't want...and that people are overwhelmingly against.

but people are starting to realize that...and the effects the governments want from these 'terrorist' attacks is going to stop working.