Excellent! :D I am going to update the Cloning thread and was thinking about adding these pics of my newly remodeled Mum/Clone closet.... what do you think?
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Excellent! :D I am going to update the Cloning thread and was thinking about adding these pics of my newly remodeled Mum/Clone closet.... what do you think?
Hey your clones look GREAT!!...at least from here they do. Yes post those on the cloning thread and how about a few close-ups?
I'll try to get some up before Vegas tomorrow....... :jointsmile:
Going to Las Vegas??...oh you poor thing you...:D
Changed res nutes to the following:
4 gal RO water (no tap)
+ 20 ml Earth Juice Micro Blast (organic) = 100 PPM
+ 4 ml Zone Root Cond = 104 PPM
+ 25 ml CalMag = 414 PPM
+ 75 ml PBP Bloom = 1275 PPM
+ 10ml Liquid Karma = 1330 PPM
PH = 5.8
Nute Temp = 66 F
My buddy is waiting impatiently as I promised we would go 45 min ago..... I'll check back after dinner time.
Ooooo thats making ME hungry.....:D :thumbsup:
I have always been told that when the leaves 'pray' up like that, they are transpiring excess moisture, maybe need the solution less often ... I dropped my pumps back a bit when my plants were doing that, seemed to help a lot, and got my humidity down, too :smokin:
I personally think in this case its a def of some kind....I think you are looking at several there.....so perhaps even some sort of reaction from several problems at once? They seem much more intermixed in hydro than in soil. For example...nuteburn raises your ph ....now you have 2 problems....and so on. There is also the issue of ratios and balance to think about imo....too much/too little of this nute/mineral etc can lock out another nute/mineral. So I find the ratios MORE important than the numbers themselves.
My thought here is lack of CalMag. But if that were not the issue.....my next thought would be a ph lockout problem ......especially since again we are seeing SEVERAL defs at once....often a good indicater of ph problems if you are positive certain nutes are available to the plant. In this case...I just don't think they were available in sufficient amounts here rather than ph causing the problem.
It's 720pm right now and I went in there (night time) with my green flashlight; here is what I found happened in the last 5 hours:
1160 PPM
5.9 PH
Gotta run, the movie just started!
:thumbsup: Keep it up. Hungry mommas!!! :) the more often you can change rez as long as that kind of thing is happening I would daily until you get something steady going. Higher numbers don't necessarily mean the plant doesn't need anything....maybe it means it's not available to the plant or perhaps not in the right ratio....;)
PS....I know you are going out of town so just do the best you (or your babysitter can)
Good luck. :)
PPM = 1147
PH = 6.0
Time before I leave to Vegas = 2.5 hours..... better get busy!
Hmmm, what to do? Add Micro and Calmag to res and watch for an hour or two? Or change entire res now and check in 2 hours?
Decisions, decisions...
Added 10ml CalMag to approx 5 gal in res:
1270 PPM
5.9 PH
Checking it at 11am prior to roadtrip
How are they looking and smelling MVP? Do you see any improvement?
Final update before I hit the road:
PPM = 1240
PH = 5.9
Leaves are slowly regaining green as they were very pale and yellow. Smell is good - everytime I put my hand in there to check PH and PPM my sleeve and hands come out stinky. I like that part a lot. :thumbsup:
I'll be back online with updates on Sunday or Monday depending on how the cards fall in Vegas. I think the girls have turned the corner and will be looking better then.
MVP :jointsmile:
Glad to hear......now go win a bunch of money and we'll party...:D
Well, got back a few hours ago and here are the numbers:
PPM = 1250
PH = 5.0
Hmmm, why in the world would the pH drop so much and the PPM barely move at all?
Not looking like any change in leaf color as I was expecting. Was hoping that green will replace the pale yellow but nothing yet :mad: I am running out of patience....
No nute changes while I was gone, but just changed solution:
RO water only
6 ml/gal of EJ Micro
1 ml/gal of Zone root cond.
7 ml/gal of CalMag
3 ml/gal of Liquid Karma
20 ml/gal of PBP Bloom
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PPM = 1260
PH = 5.8
Hmmm.....doesn't sound like you came home with a huge win either. May I take a guess that the rez hasn't been changed since you left? I realize you were gone....
and if it hasn't been changed.....got any idea why they really wouldn't be very improved?
Beat me to it. I bet you will go back to seeing exactly what you did before. Big drop, then nothing and then again when you change the rez or add CalMag. These gals have been deficient for awhile.....that ain't going to get fixed overnight.
since you have your calmag on board now....why not dump them and start your next set so you dont' get behind.
Ps.....I've heard that a ph lowers when roots begin dying off.
Hey WH, you're right.... no big wins in Vegas, but no big losses either. ;) I think I'm gonna try and nurse them back to life until the Dominas are done vegging, then pull the plug on these girls. Maybe I can learn something from the series of events here and keep out of trouble in the future... I do suspect a PH issue and nute def but cannot pinpoint it exactly.....
Are your dominas in hydro?
Yeah I have 2 of the Dominas, each vegging in their own self contained DWC bubbler. They are short (approx 18 in tall), bushy, and have been FIM'ed and/or topped (one is a bit further ahead of the other).
I also have some MK clones under fluor in a 'transition' 6-pack DWC hydro growing roots that are due to veg sometime soon. My total system is pretty much a closet with a Mother room, the Transition Room, a cloning shelf (just big enough for the tray/dome and fluor light), and a 4'x2' flower room that is 7' tall. For now I am vegging in a HydroHut Mini that is 3'x3'x 6.5 tall.
And none of these plants are showing problems? What are you doing differently with these MK's?
Oooops, I changed nutes last night but forgot to plug in my air pump :( so virtually nothing changed since then:
PPM = 1255
PH = 5.8
res temp = 58 F
oops.....
Dude you're starting to freak me out with all those avatars...:wtf:
Right now they are in veg under a 2 ft fluorescent light with (2) 20 watt 5000k bulbs. They are running at a mild nute sol of PBP Grow, LK, EJ Micro. These babes had been neglected while trying to fix the ongoing nute def with the flowers, but have bounced back pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
The vegging Dominas are running PBP Grow, LK, Sweet @ approx 1300 PPM. I have been trying to build a recirc DWC like crispi's but the damn bucket grommets keep leaking, so I have had to keep them in self contained buckets. When I flip them to Flower I am gonna have to SCROG them on they'll come crashing down again cuz these are way bushier and better growing that the treetop that fell over a few months ago. Problem is that checking PH/PPM and changing nutes is next to impossible without a recirc/res system....
Anyhow I feel like I ought to start a Domina log rather than stray too far off topic here.
Sorry about that, I should do the AV stuff late night so it doesn't make people trip... I think I'll stay with the Cowbell for a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
What kind of water are you using for your hydro plants (except the MK.s)
You all have convinced me to go all RO and CalMag which I started last week, so now all of my grows are RO. I am due to change nutes on the Dominas tonight and they are the last of the girls to go to 100 percent RO. Prior they were 50/50 or 75/25 RO/Tap as I eased into the new RO man that I have become.....
Well if they are on regular water and no issues....and your Mk's ARENT on regular water and are having issues it HAS to be that you need CalMag. Nothing else makes any sense here. ....:(
Come to think of it, the only other thing I did with the MK/SS/BB that show nute def is I mixed the nutes differently when I started measuring PPMs and it resulted in a lower level of base nutes.
Its your CalMag.....i'd bet money. I think they will suck up as much as they can...then stop when they run out and wait for you to add more. I'm just afraid adding too much at once will throw off the nute balance and you'll be screwed. What day are you at in flowering with the Mk's again?
I would not bet against the CalMag at this point. I am gonna do the daily CalMag add thing - adding it to the nutes as needed to keep the PPM at approx 1300. I started them into flower on 10/1 and they have not done much of anything in the last 2 weeks of the nute def. I will tell you that they ARE smelling much more pungent. I have to take a peek at the trichomes later today after my job interview.
Well I certainly hope that solves it for you. Took me several grows, changing mediums and a few other things before I was FINALLY able to pinpoint the fert buildup issue (which was making me CRAZY btw :mad:) ...and was quite surprised on what crazy things it made my plants do. And I DON'T mean that in a good way. :wtf:
I'm going to go on a big long rant in my thread about meters so you may want to pick through and see what I found out. ;)
Wh, found this on ICMag.com and it looks pretty much like the havoc in my garden...
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they says its a Ca def and I gotta believe it!
yes, that's the same pic that's is on Planet Ganja.....it's the same guy Stitch....I think he runs around and leaves that great guide everywhere....When I first glanced at that photo I thought K def.....but it's not .....
I feel a flush developing - how long it will run is still undecided...
I way in there poking around earlier and found that Ms. Skunk has a nice frosty appearance on her flowers AND some little amber triches, probably ~ 10 percent. The Blueberry is about the same and although the MKs are the hardest hit from the nute def, they show a SMIDGE of amber here and there with their mostly cloudy triches.
I also have 2 dirty old MKs in there too that were former mums, flowered about 9 days after this group and they look pretty ready showing a small amount of amber developing. Besides, I need the room for the Black Dominas that have been FIM'ed, topped, and vegged for some time now - don't ask how long, I can't remember - before Mr Clipboard... All I can tell you is that they are 18 in tall, short, squatty, and in need to flower!
Anyhoo... What the nute def did to the quality has yet to be seen, but the yield is about half or less of what I expected based on the last harvest's results... I'll be lucky to get more than 2 oz from the whole damn closet. :( But the bright side is that I still have adequate rations from the last grow to pull me thru until Spring :jointsmile: That is unless I go on a baking binge and become super generous with friends...
P.S. no amber I can see in this pic, but it was the only bloody photo that ended up in focus! Make sure you maximize it in your browser. Looks mostly cloudy though...
Mr Clipboard... :D
I don't think potency should be affected.....just yield. my rhinos were pretty potent despite all the problems I had with defs, build up etc.....my larger problem with that was that all the defs etc lowered the plants' immune system....and allowed mold to form in some small sections of the a few of the buds...:( Potency still kicked ass though. ;) :thumbsup:
Hey WH, I posted some PDFs of Mr Clipboard's forms in the thread by cmasfca. Not that you need them, just letting y'all know...
Well, they are still fighting to get better. I flushed with FloraKleen and changed nutes last night:
3 gal RO water = 12 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 12 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 155 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 545 PPM
+ 16 ml/gal PBP Bloom = 1170 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Karma = 1245 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Sweet = 1313 PPM
I then had to add 8 ml total of Up to get PH to 5.8.
When I add the solution to the res there is always a little bit of the Flush remaining (won't drain completely no matter how I do it...) so the final PH ended up at 5.9 and final PPM at 1268.
I checked it today and the PH was at 6.5 and PPM was 1255...:wtf: makes me wonder what is going on with them. I adjusted them back to 5.8 but am perplexed and figure I'll give them another week or two and then they will get axed. By that time the Dominas will have recovered from their recent topping and will be ready for the HPS.
I suspect a PH reading problem with my Hanna pen, so I am comparing side-by-side with a PH test kit (vial/drops) and so far they are correct. It is strange that the Hanna pen sometimes takes a long time to provide a correct reading. I am about to give up on it and order a Milwaukee pen or something similar.