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So called nut-jobs have not detered a real investigation .... that's how parts of the government became suspect. There is plenty of information on line and this site that points to parts of the government being involved. What information to you have besides the bogus commission report ...... were the illegitimate bush and cheney never had to testify under oath ..... that the government was not involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
So show us information that clears the government.
:noel:
good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by GrowRebel
and zimzum,
the BIGGEST "nut jobs" according to you are the VICTIM'S FAMILIES!! THEY are the ones demanding a real investigation, do you have no respect for the people who ACTUALLY SUFFERED on 9/11?
If so much evidence exist why not take it to court and go through the legal system? World court perhaps? Instead you insist every new law, every mishap, every anomaly is some how evil doings. To anyone who questions your theories you call "slaves" or "Amerikans". Insulting the American people will win you no points for your cause. Any proof the government could give would always be questioned by you and passed off as fake/altered.
Anti-government anger spurs 9-11 conspiracy belief
and
Disturbing trend of 9/11 skeptics
:D What exactly has the U.S. gotten from Iraq? We've spent billions of dollars on that war and we continue to spend billions more. I fail to see the profit. Uh, What about Haliburton and all the subsideraries of Haliburton that are getting billions of our tax money, eh? Why do you think the French and Germans wouldn't play, silly, Bush wouldn't let them in on any of the war contracts. This is a "For Profit War" and don't you forget it!!:pimp:
It doesn't have to be me taking them to court. The 9/11 families HAVE pursued this legally, and have been BLOCKED! Why would they allow me to prove it and not them? If i was trying to insult Americans then I wouldn't bring out MY POINT OF VIEW. the poeple truly insulting you are the ones that keep dangling false satisfactions in your face, so that you don't see the TRUTH! (ie: the fucking corporations)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
and i have read all the documents and statements the gov't put out, and looked at them WITHOUT a bias. MY conclusion is the same, because they KEEP HIDING the truth. MY guess is that you believe the 5 frame footage of the PENTAGON is sufficient evidence. Well if you think sherlock holmes (or anyone w/ a brain) would have been okay with that evidence you're DEAD wrong.
as for your links:
I don't read anything that comes from the Mainstream News. B/C of the people that control them. Watch some real news, it can be found on a channel called FreeSpeech TV, they give an unbiased look into today's issue, and HAVE REPEATEDLY showed 9/11 Truth Programs.
you know, coming from an un-biased 'side' your 'big talk' (whether it be typing in all caps, or using larger text) does the exact opposite of what you're going for... it only makes someone want to credit you less, because only idiots and imbecils yell and scream in the middle of a debate, which is what the larger text insinuates.... just to let you know... as for those sites you easily dismiss, it's kinda funny, you claim to be someone who looks at everything without bias, yet there you are claiming the big news corporations are controlled by some scandelous-evil government program.... just kinda funny to sit back and watch everyone contradict themselves at every statment...
i dont need anyone to FILTER out information. i look at ORIGINAL documents or reports. Try looking at the 500 page 9/11 Commission Report or testimonies from Condoleeza Rice during the hearings or eye-witness reports. While mainstream media may feel some facts are unimportant, i feel is NECESSARY to figure out what actually happened. Major Networks are in it to MAKE MONEY, just like everyone else, they are trying to please their DEMOGRAPHIC (and it's a demographic that i DON'T fit in).Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
AND, if the corporations aren't controlled by the government, How come they NEVER say the Iraqi Civilians death count is over 1/2 million? is that too unimportant? seems like 1 dead American soldier makes the news, is 1/2 million iraqis equal to 1 american?
and just for shits and giggles:
here is a REPUBLICAN whistleblowing
how the FBI doesn't comply... WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE!!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GO...bing_1228.html
.... this TRULY proves that once you get down and dirty in the FACTS, republican or democrat, you SPEAK out!
that really has nothing to do with what i said..... calm down with your conspiracy theories for five damn minutes and read the words infront of you.... just FIVE minutes, is that too much to ask? or do you think george bush has his hand up my ass and i'm his puppet telling you what HE wants me to tell you... :rolleyes: your entire reply had not one thing to do with what i just said to you...
The US government at best is Strongly influenced by the will of corporations. I hope no one disagrees. Many corporations have made humongous profit in Iraq. I also hope no one disagrees here.
Was the will of these corporations enough to enable them to pressure the government into war? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
An interesting quote,
??when war becomes this profitable, were going to see a lot more of it?
-some important person
I think we should all consider that the we are all probably being distracted as to what the real reason for invading Iraq was. And I hope we all accept that it wasn??t to bring democracy or to remove WMD.
Did anyone on here know that Iraq months b4 the war was planning to switch the currency oil was traded in from USD to Euro??s. This change would largely deflate the American dollars value. The invasion of Iraq stopped this change and was hugely beneficial to America. But did it cause the war, Who fuckin knows.
The commissioners report was a bunch of bull. It was supposto be the most thorough evaluation of 911. Yet they don??t even mention tower 7 which fell. Hmmm that??s odd.
Did anyone else know that Osama Bin L. on the day of and twice since has stated that he was not involved with 911. Then days later he contradicts himself with that video.
Odd again
As well al qaeda has said they would turn Osama over to a third party if the US could prove he did it.
I also believe the pentagon wasn??t hit by a plane and not exclusively because of the picture I attached. But, it is a powerful picture. And the official store that the plane vaporized, leaves a little to be desired.
Anyone who thinks bush is responsible for 911 is as foolish as the people who think Bush makes any decisions. He is a puppet to more intelligent and important people. It??s not crazy to think the US gov would attack their own citizens they??ve done some scary things in the past.
try to focus, i may give you a treat:Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
how is it not LOGICAL for me to DISMISS mainstream media reports when i KNOW they are filtering the information? It is biased to come to the conclusion that the media is no good, but this is AFTER I HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THAT THE MEDIA IS CONTROLLED. so give me some original documents, or at the very least conclusions WITH CITATIONS and i'll look at ANYTHING w/ and unbiased mind ;); if there's facts in the shit someone gives me and it goes on to conclude something COMPLETELY opposite than what i originally believed then I will change my mind!
if you can wrap your mind around that (and take your time), you will see it's not contradictory to dismiss his links.