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Originally Posted by Ozarks

In a perfect world yes but, France isn't going to help in Sudan for same reason as Iraq, money, as soon we refused to "guarantee" the contracts they (France) signed with Saddam they pulled out. Never-mind that we couldn't "guarantee" that the new Iraq Government would honor those deals, even if we want too.
As soon as France figured out that we weren't installing a puppet Government that they could milk, they were gone.

In Sudan we should try and help those people even though it's not our doing.

All the "it's America's fault, corporate greed/conspiracy" Bla-bla-bla is just background noise.

I'm proud that America always tries to do the right thing, we're not always successful but we are committed to trying. There will always be people that can not be honest enough with themselves to admit all thats right with my country. .

I truly hope America's new UN Ambassador is as effective at putting a international coalition together as Bolton was, I think not, it put I will wait and see. I hope I'm wrong but without Bolton,I think Dufar is going to go from bad to worst.

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If we do ANYTHING in Sudan it should only be from the air and sea.......France created the problem....let them send THEIR sons and daughters in to patrol the streets.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

If we do ANYTHING in Sudan it should only be from the air and sea

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Agreed

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.......France created the problem....let them send THEIR sons and daughters in to patrol the streets.

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IMO all the "boots on the ground" should be from African Nations, for lots of reasons. I don't think France is capable of going in there as a neutral 3rd party, as you already posted they have to much financial interest.

I don't see France doing the right thing here.

It shouldn't just be a French thing to "clean up". Its easy for us to just keep pointing the finger at someone else until it gets pointed back at us. Global cooperation is greatly needed.

Ozark said:I'm proud that America always tries to do the right thing, we're not always successful but we are committed to trying. There will always be people that can not be honest enough with themselves to admit all thats right with my country. .

OMFG I give up. Yes it is all conspiracy. The world is beautiful just take the green pill and be happy in the Ozarks. I have lived there too BTW so I try to understand your line of thinking.

the fact that we sell 90% <-- of the arms means nothing. Maybe you can explain the US actions in El Salvador or Haiti. OR how about the arms sells in Nicaragua, explain that great feat of american moral servitude.

'THis is MY country too. I think my family has done a hell of a lot for this country, The problem is self centered people that think the country is all THEIRS and that America can do no wrong. (also, most these people have never done anything to serve their country except stick a flag and yellow ribbon on their SUV) ewww I feel safer already.
We are a growing nation and make mistakes like any other country.
To believe we can do no wrong is simply close minded and dangerous.

There are many many great nations out there the US is one of many not the one and only.

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Originally Posted by Zimzum

It shouldn't just be a French thing to "clean up". Its easy for us to just keep pointing the finger at someone else until it gets pointed back at us. Global cooperation is greatly needed.

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EXCUSE ME:Personal thread hijack for a moment...:rasta:

Zim you and I seem to always be on the same wave length :D Feels nice.

Who is the man in your avatar? He looks so familiar but I can't place him..

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MY FINE FRIENDS FROM THE LEFT!

When we go into a place such as Afghanistan or Iraq to do the "right thing" the U.S. is accused of being an oil grubbing country with visions of Empires in mind.

Now in a situation that was created in Sudan by the French we are suppose to do the "right" thing?? Is this "having your cake and eating it too"? Shouldn't the world DEMAND that France cleans up her mess? WE had NO help in Iraq from France, Germany, etc... because of the situation. Well guess what, this isn't OUR situation created....why can't WE sit this one out for once? Hell, maybe the French could actually win a war.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

You will have to show me where any one has said going into Afganistan was wrong.

It was wrong to train Mujahadeen give them weapons and then leave them. It was wrong to CUT US troops in Afganistan and dilute our power there by "creating" the Iraq war. I have not heard any so called "lib" say it is wrong to be in Afganistan.

Still alienating the french I see Psycho :) while they are quite fun to pick on they do provide a lot of fodder. :D

I feel the problems in the world right now are going to be hard enough to solve and it will take all G8 nations.
After what Bush has done to our international relations we can't afford to alienate our allies not even the french ones :)

I have never said the US is all to blame but I am not going to point fingers at everyone else to make us look better that is just counter productive and I won't pretend we are shinning examples democracy because it simply isn't true.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

MY FINE FRIENDS FROM THE LEFT!

When we go into a place such as Afghanistan or Iraq to do the "right thing" the U.S. is accused of being an oil grubbing country with visions of Empires in mind.

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Thats what happens with "cowboy" diplomacy. We went into war with very little world wide support or care for there concerns. "Your with us or against us" apparently that speech there showed he could care less for support. US didn't listen to the UN inspectors in Iraq. We went into Iraq pounding our chests with pride, now were licking our wounds from bad intelligence and stubbornness to listen.


BlueCat my avatar is Serj from SOAD

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Originally Posted by Zimzum

Thats what happens with "cowboy" diplomacy. We went into war with very little world wide support or care for there concerns. "Your with us or against us" apparently that speech there showed he could care less for support. US didn't listen to the UN inspectors in Iraq. We went into Iraq pounding our chests with pride, now were licking our wounds from bad intelligence and stubbornness to listen.

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And which countries had "special interests" due to the food for oil program. Wonder why we could'nt get the extra support....;)

Have a good one!:jointsmile: