Genocide

[Zimzum]

(mods if this is in the wrong forum, sorry. Thought I would save you the trouble of moving it )

Why don't we take action on genocide that is happening around the world? Why let people die a needless death? Instead we turn a blinded eye on these people. Some of you want to give Iran an "eye for an eye" if they nuke Israel, but we would be no better then these people in the end.

Screamers

Synopsis

Documentary feature examining why genocides keep occurring -- from the Armenian genocide in 1915, to the Holocaust, Bosnia, Rwanda and now Darfur -- through the eyes and music of the Grammy award-winning rock band â??System of a Down,â?� based in Los Angeles, whose members are all grandchildren of genocide survivors. As the band tours the world and touches on the locations and stories of genocide in the last century, the film follows the personal story of the lead singerâ??s grandfather, a 96-year old survivor of the Armenian genocide, one of the few remaining survivors from his village in Turkey. With the arguments of Harvard Professor Samantha Power, the personal stories of survivors from Armenia, Rwanda and Darfur, policy critics and whistleblowers â?? the â??screamersâ?� â?? the film targets the problem of genocide denial, with specific reference to the Turkish governmentâ??s current campaign to stop its citizens from discussing the genocide. When the band arrives back in the United States, they confront the hypocrisy of U.S. foreign policy in the debate on genocide recognition, with Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, actively blocking a vote in Congress. Through the bandâ??s efforts to get Dennis to â??Do the Right Thingâ?� and Powerâ??s thesis that Americaâ??s interest has always been to stay neutral, no matter how wide-scale the carnage, the film shows how successive Presidents and corporate interests have conspired to turn a blind eye to genocides as they are happening â?? whether it be Iraqi Kurds in the 80s, Rwanda in the 90s or Darfur today. After the Holocaust, we may say â??never againâ?? -- but we donâ??t mean it.

Zimzum Reviewed by Zimzum on 12-06-2006. Genocide (mods if this is in the wrong forum, sorry. Thought I would save you the trouble of moving it :) ) Why don't we take action on genocide that is happening around the world? Why let people die a needless death? Instead we turn a blinded eye on these people. Some of you want to give Iran an "eye for an eye" if they nuke Israel, but we would be no better then these people in the end. Screamers Synopsis Documentary feature examining why genocides keep occurring -- from the Armenian Rating: 5

[darkside]

because were too busy invading the oil rich regions of the world with ties to the government. because the people in control only care about one thing..$$$$$$$$. if only we would have spent the trillion $ we wasted destroying iraq for ridding the world of poverty and genocide, the world would be in much better shape.

[psychocat]

War is a lucrative business, give the isrealis weapons for millions of dollars or spend it on disarming everyone.
GREED is the reason pure and simple , if it doesn't serve someones (financial ) interests then they just won't bother.
Your economy persists because of the price fixing done by goverments and business and they are the ones who decide what everything should cost so they can mantain this facade of power.
Money is a concept without real value.

[pisshead]

it's about more than money though, we're dealing with those who print the worthless fiat money that's only been inflating more and more and more and more...

it's about power and control and tyranny and a tiny elite controlling the populations through many different methods of mind control and false flag terrorist attacks.

[Ozarks]

Darfur was heading the right direction, we had coalition put together at the UN to send in (real) troops to protect the Christan minority from Muslim majority in Kartun, guarantees of land and air space for humanitarian relieve supplies.

Unfortunately a few Democrats in the Senate along with Republican Chaffee (who lost) have filibustered and convinced Josh Bolton to step down as (recess appointed) UN Ambassador.

Regardless of how you feel about Bolton he was making progress on Darfur,behind the scenes and on the security counsel, with out Bolton there it's going to be put back on the back burner, the new US Ambassador is going to have to start all over, and a lot of people are going to raped and murdered because of it.

[BlueCat]

They want you to think this is a religious war Ozark!

This is not a religious war it is a war over oil rights, mineral rights and water rights. American corporations have had their "Armies" in the Sudan for years.

The Neocons literally feed on fear and death. They profit from it. They sell weapons to anyone that will buy and while everyone is fighting they rape the land of its natural resources.

It is amazing that the drought and famine never seem to reach the rich isn't it?

All the world should be turning to Africa right now but instead we are in Iraq and the longer it goes on the richer the war mongers get.

We could put a stop this by simply stopping the weapon sales.

The foreign policy risks of escalating arms exports are enormous. Most U.S. weaponry is sold to the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, helping to fan the flames of war instead of promoting stability. More than 40 percent of the international sales of major conventional weapons between 1984 and 1994 went to nations at war such as Iraq, Somalia and Sudan, according to the United Nations Development Program's 1994 Human Development Report. Civilians are increasingly the major victims of war. They accounted for half of all war deaths during the first half of this century, 64 percent in the '60s and 74 percent in the '80s. The share of civilian casualties appears to be higher still in the '90s. The United States has been a major arms supplier to nations at war. Since 1985, participants in 45 ongoing conflicts received over $42 billion worth of U.S. weapons, according to a 1995 World Policy Institute report. Among the major conflicts in 1993 and 1994 90 percent involved one or more parties that had received U.S. weapons or military technology prior to the out break of fighting.

It is big business and the top leaders of this country are profiting dearly.

And then what happens? OUR soldiers get killed with their own US weapons it is happening right now.

[Ozarks]

They want you to think this is a religious war Ozark!

This is not a religious war it is a war over oil rights, mineral rights and water rights. American corporations have had their "Armies" in the Sudan for years.

The Neocons literally feed on fear and death. They profit from it. They sell weapons to anyone that will buy and while everyone is fighting they rape the land of its natural resources.

It is amazing that the drought and famine never seem to reach the rich isn't it?

All the world should be turning to Africa right now but instead we are in Iraq and the longer it goes on the richer the war mongers get.

We could put a stop this by simply stopping the weapon sales.

The foreign policy risks of escalating arms exports are enormous. Most U.S. weaponry is sold to the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, helping to fan the flames of war instead of promoting stability. More than 40 percent of the international sales of major conventional weapons between 1984 and 1994 went to nations at war such as Iraq, Somalia and Sudan, according to the United Nations Development Program's 1994 Human Development Report. Civilians are increasingly the major victims of war. They accounted for half of all war deaths during the first half of this century, 64 percent in the '60s and 74 percent in the '80s. The share of civilian casualties appears to be higher still in the '90s. The United States has been a major arms supplier to nations at war. Since 1985, participants in 45 ongoing conflicts received over $42 billion worth of U.S. weapons, according to a 1995 World Policy Institute report. Among the major conflicts in 1993 and 1994 90 percent involved one or more parties that had received U.S. weapons or military technology prior to the out break of fighting.

It is big business and the top leaders of this country are profiting dearly.

And then what happens? OUR soldiers get killed with their own US weapons it is happening right now.

Yeah, all of this "it's all America's fault" nonsense is much more exciting than sitting down and doing the hard work necessary to save these lives.

BTW, :error:

1 Yes this is a religious war, it's genocide-ethnic cleansing based on "religion"


2 The Muslim (Arab) Government in Katun is not killing the Christian (black African) minority in Darfur with American weapons.

[BlueCat]

Oh really and how do you know that? Did you know that there are X US military that call themselves the Army of God and say they are protecting Christians in the Sudan? They aren't they are soldiers of fortune paid for by the corporations.

There are a lot more none Christains dying in Africa right now but everytime a Christain is killed it makes the news and every Christian publication on this planet. You are being used to feed the flames. THey tell you its the democrats or liberals but it is all a smoke screen. THe planet is running out of resources and the riches companies are trying to position themselves at the trough. Where ever war is those companies are there.

THe bottom line is in all countries where there is war there are also indigenous people's that clash with globalization and western governments are distiquishing these peoples. Either by fueling the wars or ignoring the conflicts all together. Just like we did to the native peoples in the USA and everyone is fooled into thinking it is some other conflict so nothing is done about it.



I can go country by country for you if you like.

West Africa: Niger Delta peoples' struggles against the Nigerian and state governments and foreign companies, including Shell and ExxonMobil, have resulted in considerable bloodshed over the past decade. In June, local communities assailed the World Bank's International Finance Corporation for approving loans to local commercial banks that would then lend the money to Shell contractors. Shell is being sued in U.S. courts for alleged complicity with the military government in the 1995 arrest, trial, and execution of nine activists from the Ogoni community. Even under the elected government of President Olesegun Obasanjo, the region has remained under virtual occupation. In 1999, Nigerian security forces razed an Ijaw community of 15,000 (Odi) killing dozens of unarmed citizens. Oil revenues and their regional distribution remain a source of great contention in the broader national conflict among the country's three largest ethnic groups, the Hausa-Fulani in the North, the Yoruba of the West, and the Igbo in the South. Washington has provided training and equipment for Nigerian troops since Obasanjo took over.

[Ozarks]

Oh really and how do you know that? Did you know that there are X US military that call themselves the Army of God and say they are protecting Christians in the Sudan? They aren't they are soldiers of fortune paid for by the corporations.

Back to the point, the hard work that needs be done to save these lives is not going to get done, because of a couple of Senators (who are democratic in this case) are not strong enough to stand up and say, my 1st judgment was wrong, Bolton has shown that he is capable of doing a good job at the UN.

There are a lot more none Christains dying in Africa right now but everytime a Christain is killed it makes the news and every Christian publication on this planet. You are being used to feed the flames.

I don't oppose them being murdered because they're "Christan" I oppose them being murdered because they're "non-combatants" who can not defend themselves. I'm not being "used" by anyone.

THey tell you its the democrats or liberals but it is all a smoke screen. THe planet is running out of resources

Absolute nonsense, stop watching those solant green re-runs, the only countries going without are the same countries that are corrupt and don't have functional capitalist systems. It's not rocket science even "communist" China figured it out, "economically"

THe bottom line is in all countries where there is war there are also indigenous people's that clash with globalization and western governments are distiquishing these peoples. Either by fueling the wars or ignoring the conflicts all together. Just like we did to the native peoples in the USA and everyone is fooled into thinking it is some other conflict so nothing is done about it.

Back to the big conspiracy theory, the whole world is blind and stupid, but you know the truth

I can go country by country for you if you like.

West Africa: Niger Delta peoples' struggles against the Nigerian and state governments and foreign companies, including Shell and ExxonMobil, have resulted in considerable bloodshed over the past decade. In June, local communities assailed the World Bank's International Finance Corporation for approving loans to local commercial banks that would then lend the money to Shell contractors. Shell is being sued in U.S. courts for alleged complicity with the military government in the 1995 arrest, trial, and execution of nine activists from the Ogoni community. Even under the elected government of President Olesegun Obasanjo, the region has remained under virtual occupation. In 1999, Nigerian security forces razed an Ijaw community of 15,000 (Odi) killing dozens of unarmed citizens. Oil revenues and their regional distribution remain a source of great contention in the broader national conflict among the country's three largest ethnic groups, the Hausa-Fulani in the North, the Yoruba of the West, and the Igbo in the South. Washington has provided training and equipment for Nigerian troops since Obasanjo took over.

And it's going to continue until people have non-corrupt Governments that at least acknowledge the human being as such, and have a functioning economies, the Africans are no different than anyone else they want the same for themselves and their children.

And yes, companies defend their interests/investments just like people do. Who would have thought that the people who run them big bad evil corporations would let human emotion enter into their judgments on business matters. Bad, bad people.

[Psycho4Bud]

This is from "04".........WE wanted to stop the weapons sales. Lets see what the French attitude was at the time. If you do some more research you'll find that France was/is the one selling Sudan their weapons with a reason....

France says it does not support US plans for international sanctions on Sudan if violence continues in Darfur.
The UN Security Council is debating a US draft resolution imposing sanctions on militias accused of "ethnic cleansing" against non-Arabs.

The US also hinted that the sanctions could be extended to the government.

Meanwhile, African leaders have urged Khartoum to stop bombing Darfur and say their proposed 300-strong force will have a mandate to protect civilians.

US Secretary of State Colin Powell says promises to reign in the pro-government militia, known as the Janjaweed, have not been kept by Khartoum so far.

"Only action not words can win the race against death in Darfur," he said.

'Civil war'

Some one million people have fled their homes and at least 10,000 have been killed in what the UN calls "the world's worst humanitarian crisis."

A rebellion broke out in Darfur early last year, when two groups took up arms, accusing the government of ignoring the region.

"In Darfur, it would be better to help the Sudanese get over the crisis so their country is pacified rather than sanctions which would push them back to their misdeeds of old," junior Foreign Minister Renaud Muselier told French radio.


France led opposition to US moves at the UN over Iraq. As was the case in Iraq, France also has significant oil interests in Sudan.

Mr Muselier also dismissed claims of "ethnic cleansing" or genocide in Darfur.

"I firmly believe it is a civil war and as they are little villages of 30, 40, 50, there is nothing easier than for a few armed horsemen to burn things down, to kill the men and drive out the women," he said.

Human rights activists say the Janjaweed are conducting a genocide against Darfur's black African population.

Those who have fled their homes say the Janjaweed ride on horses and camels into villages which have just been bombed by government aircraft, killing the men and raping the women.

Sudan denies backing the militia and, under strong international pressure, has promised to disarm them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3875277.stm

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