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I am not going to "love" bin laden, and his ilk I would kill that bastard in a heartbeat. They are NOT my "neighbors". Fuck your mythical Jesus, and fuck anybody else that lets subhuman scum get away with genocide. It's not a question of "hate": it's the only rational response to criminals who use their religion to foster anti-human agendas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
people are people we are all a HUMAN race what would bring about peace is peace not distruction. We have to love our neighbors and try to understand there side do not blind your self. seeing something from one view will always seem unjust, perspective is looking at life from differnt views and understanding. If the world felt that the USA were real peace keepers then we would bring peace but we are killing people with bombs and in a war agenst a country that did nothing to us. that situation is going to bring hate to the USA. we have no right over turning powers and ruleing than anyone else we are all humans and should be ruled under GOD,to bad adam and eve lost that and now we have a world of hate proveing that HUMANS can NOT run them selfs. Jesus tought to be kind and a peaceful person and that was the way of Jehovah god, not to kill one another, what does that gain? Distruction and death.
Interesting post, Bong. I actually like some of your "broad strokes". I don't agree with all of them. However, you do make your points. But I didn't just roll off the turnip truck. I've seen a lot of the world and it wasn't always under "tourist like" conditions. I found that respect for people and interest in what they had to say closed the cultural gaps. Since you decide to give feedback (not sure how constructive it is), I'll give you some. You have no idea what I beleive in because you don't care to really know. You make that clear by coming at me personally. If you talked that shit to my face I'd punch you in the head. How's that for "academic?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Bong, I won't put you on ignore because I don't want to ignore someone I consider a friend. You just happen to be a friend I will never agree with politically. Of all topics, politics requires rational, considered thought. That's the mode in which thinking people must function and debate because rational arguments illustrate actual thought rather than surface one-line, angry emotional reactions. It's terribly easy to borrow other angry people's words like "Liberalism is a mental disorder" or "Screw PC" (my edited version of the F word) or even "We went to Iraq to fight radical Islam." Again, those are the easy, one-liner, feel-good short-and-simple things to say.
What's much harder, requiring far more time and intellectual power, is to examine two or more sides of these issues. To ponder why, if liberalism is such a troubling scourge, so many intelligent conservative Republicans, moderates, libertarians and others also find the justification for this war dishonest. Why our current administration and its Middle East policy has a 72% disapproval rating. Why attempting to inflict democracy on a a part of the world that has never had--and with its tribal, warring history--will never accept it is a futile effort. Why those who tell themselves and others we're simply fighting for freedom in the ME and other parts of the world have precious little understanding of the relationship between democracies (the minority political system, in case you don't realize this) and countries with vastly less free political systems (the significant majority). Why we're not going to triumph good over evil or freedom over repression--and why we're only making the our future outlook more bloody than it was before by lying to ourselves and attempting to do so.
The list goes on and on. But these are the matters that have to be considered and discussed. And that's why rational, reasoned debate is much harder than the easy emotional response. The folks who're willing to work hard at thinking about and discussing these topics--and who do so courteously and with respect (you can call it PC if you prefer; I know that's actually Michael Savage talking)--are the ones who're going to make progress on these issues. They're the ones I happily engage in discussion.
OK, enough of this nonsense. On a lighter note:
Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican
By John Gray Cincinnati, Ohio - - July - 2004
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe??s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe??s employer pays these standards because Joe??s employer doesn??t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he??ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn??t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe??s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe??s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.
Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn??t want to make rural loans. The house didn??t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn??t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn??t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show, the host??s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn??t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, ??We don??t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I??m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have?.
You really shouldn't be punching people in the head greymatter.
Well, I didn't write this either, but here's a humorous take on it from the other side. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
A Day in the Life of Joe Liberal
Joe has to get up every day at 6 a.m. to pay "his share" of taxes to support deadbeats and illegal immigrants who take from the system without ever contributing. Such is Marx's maxim: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
Joe is a rotten American because he fills his coffeepot with American capitalist corporation name brand coffee rather than going to weekly co-op meeting to buy fair trade coffee from socialist nations.
Joe rinses the pot with tap water and then twists off the top of a plastic bottle of water to rinse the taste of oppression from his mouth.
Joe takes his meds. He's gotta. He is overwrought with guilt over living in the nation's chief consumer of EVERYTHING in the world. Joe's has so much while everyone else has nothing. This is Joe's fault. Don't blame the dictators in those other countries who have their populace under their thumbs.
Joe's medications are available over the counter and as such can be deducted from his taxes but he would have to do a lot of paperwork so he bears the extra cost; besides the gub'ment needs that money more than Joe does. If Ted Kennedy wouldn't keep blocking personal medical savings accounts, Joe could bank up pre-tax dollars for his own medical care. But Teddy is wiser than Joe and knows that Joe would just be doing this as a way of exploiting the tax codes to avoid paying his "fair share".
Joe fondly remembers the breakfasts of his youth; bacon and eggs made fresh by his mother and grandmother. But Joe knows that he cannot have cholesterol today. He's been branded as OBSESE because his Body Mass Index is not as low as his wife's, who has the same height as Joe. The BMI does not tolerate sexism and makes no distinction between fat and muscle. So Joe has an eggbeaters and tofu omelet.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His shampoo does not harm his eyes because it has been lab tested on live animals. As Joe steps out of the shower, he notices a floater still circling in his toilet; damn low flow toilets. Gotta flush them twice to do half the job of an old throne.
Joe dresses is a pretty pink spring dress; Joe is a transvestite and he likes to share his fetish with his co-workers. It's who Joe is. A confused man who wished he'd been born into a world that did not designate one garment for men, and another for women.
Joe takes a good look at his SUV and notices that some eco-terrorist has set it aflame overnight. "But that's free speech...", chuckles Joe and silently thanks the ACLU for preserving the 1st Amendment.
Joe walks two miles to the nearest bus stop and breaks a sweat. "Whew!" He notices there is no bench for passengers to wait on. Some homeless person might sleep there so the city did away with them. He tried reading some of the graffiti to pass the time but cannot make out any of the urban runes. 30 minutes have now passed and he hopes that his boss will understand that he is late because someone "freely expressed" herself in his driveway last night. Joe would call his boss but he cannot because there are no payphones around anymore. And why would there be? "Everyone" has a cellphone now, especially children. Joe waits another 30 lonely minutes and pulls out a cigarette. Joe doesn't normally smoke but felt it was his civic duty to buy them as a way to subsidize farmers, and pay more taxes. Joe's ruse works. A bus pulls up and Joe gets on it. He waves to the other two passenger, neither of whom look up.
Joe arrives at work 2 hours late but still eager to do a good job. Joe works in public service so he knows that his job is safe and that he won't be fired for poor work ethic.
It's noontime and Joe runs out to buy some lottery tickets. He's never won in the past but "this time" he feels lucky and could really use the money. And he knows that it promises to one day give him something in return for paying a voluntary tax.
Joe gives the clerk a hundred dollar bill. The clerk eyes Joe suspiciously and asks him to present photo ID, "What do you think this is? Some election poll where you can just show up, tell us who you are, and get what you came for???"
It's a good thing that clerk asked Joe for some ID too. Turns out that hundred dollar bill was a forgery. "But I got it from a Hezbollah charity when I was visiting some pen pals in Lebanon...", exclaimed Joe.
Joe is hauled away by the police. The next morning he makes bail and is released...
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
...and it wouldn't kill ya to say 'thank you' to the toll booth operator every now and then.
I know, and I'm torn lately over how to fairly distribute my "thank yous" between the EZpass lanes and the Operator lanes....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
Hey, BA, great JOE LIBERAL piece!