Ethics/911/The butterfly effect/Etc.

[4252]

Some ideas come in a flash of inspiration, others evolve over long periods. I guess it depends on where you're standing when the shell hits. Unpredictable, in other words. You may ask; "Why here, why now?" I can only say, "Why not?"

If this thread develops, it might prove to be long, deep, and, maybe controversial. If not, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

In essence, I'm saying that we're not very well tuned in to the consequences of our actions, and that the corollary might be something of an answer. It's been just over 5 years since the planes hit the buildings, and the killing has intensified; nobody has learned a thing. All sides, not just us/them, good guys/bad guys, and so on, but everybody.

Having today said something I've said may times in the past, that there must be something really wrong with society if we can't even cooperate for the most basic of reasons; self interest, a switch sort of clicked in my head. I think that the cause and effect of individual actions and beliefs have a huge cumulative result in the state of our existence. Like skimming a penny from each of several million bank accounts, if you will. Let somebody merge with the traffic, or cut them off, verbalize an insult, or keep our mouths shut, etc.

I've no intention of getting into detail here, that would depend on the interest generated. But think for a moment, what would your life be like if the majority of us refused to contribute to the tension that ultimately results in a punch thrown in anger, a bit of road rage, a nuclear weapon being launched? How would you feel if nobody cared much if you got stoned today or not; live and let live in the simplest terms?

I'm thinking what that idiot pope said the other day, about the moslem philosophy, and wonder how soon the whole thing will come crashing down just because we all were too stupid to see that every action, no matter how small, truly results in a reaction.

Feel free to nail me to a tree, ignore me, or agree and discuss this.

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4252 Reviewed by 4252 on 09-22-2006. Ethics/911/The butterfly effect/Etc. Some ideas come in a flash of inspiration, others evolve over long periods. I guess it depends on where you're standing when the shell hits. Unpredictable, in other words. You may ask; "Why here, why now?" I can only say, "Why not?" If this thread develops, it might prove to be long, deep, and, maybe controversial. If not, I wouldn't be at all surprised. In essence, I'm saying that we're not very well tuned in to the consequences of our actions, and that the corollary might be something Rating: 5

[4252]

Hmmm, didn't think so.

Arriva derla,

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[psychocat]

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Physics 101

[S.P.Q.R.]

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to get across with this post, but you're right that no one in this ignorant society every learns anything. This issue, or issues, with the extreamist Muslims could be settled in such a more simple way than what's going on now. The muslims simply feel supressed and are pissed off. They feel like everyone's becoming their enemy and they're getting so wound up that they feel the need to retaliate and fight.

If no one cared what I did, if no one cared about anything but their own self interest, things would have the possibility to become so much better. There wouldn't be so much hatred and senseless descrimination because everyone would be too busy dealing with their own lives to shout out and hate someone else who simply believes, dressed, looks, or acts different.

And the pope? The Pope was an idiot for that comment. Has he appologized yet?

[4252]

To my knowledge, what he's said was that he and/or the quote was misunderstood. That didn't help John Lennon much either, as I recall.

My opinion is that, consistent with the "glass houses" principle, this rookie pope shouldn't even be trusted with a bag of marshmallows, if this is his way of addressing the issues. More than enough rhetoric has been added to fuel this particular fire. If my limited knowledge of history tells me anything, the actions of Christians, Catholics especially, and their (our, actually) leaders have contributed a lot to the present situation.

The other part, about the cumulative effect of small, hateful actions, was basically a more general statement, but I thought it fit well into my comment on the specific controversy as a sort of prologue.

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[graymatter]

I'm thinking what that idiot pope said the other day, about the moslem philosophy, and wonder how soon the whole thing will come crashing down just because we all were too stupid to see that every action, no matter how small, truly results in a reaction.

I'm not a Catholic, or any religious apologist, but the Pope/Dude wasn't stating a personal view on Muslim beliefs. But he did wimp out. He should've challenged Muslim extremists on their inability to lighten up.

What the Muslim world needs is a "Life of Brian" sort of film about Muhammad. After all, the cartoons didn't work....

[Bong30]

To my knowledge, what he's said was that he and/or the quote was misunderstood. That didn't help John Lennon much either, as I recall.

My opinion is that, consistent with the "glass houses" principle, this rookie pope shouldn't even be trusted with a bag of marshmallows, if this is his way of addressing the issues. More than enough rhetoric has been added to fuel this particular fire. If my limited knowledge of history tells me anything, the actions of Christians, Catholics especially, and their (our, actually) leaders have contributed a lot to the present situation.

The other part, about the cumulative effect of small, hateful actions, was basically a more general statement, but I thought it fit well into my comment on the specific controversy as a sort of prologue.

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Jon Lenenon? Please.....Could you be more Liberal.


Pope...Sir, we are with YOU (All us Catholics), and we will fight to the death for you. Just Say it like it is, and we Got your Back.

Glass house.....We are affraid to through stones cause we might offend someone. Political Correctness, along with America Hating, Leftwing, commie, Nuts jobs will be our Demise.

War ON Terror? Fuck that..... Say "War ON Radical Islam". Rolls off the tounge nice HUH?

Just say it how it is.

Illegal imaration, Is bad for the country, In many ways including, language barrier, Refusal of asimalation, Pull on Social services.

See I just said IT..

once you BIG SHOTS with the BIG vocabulary figure out WTF is going on, you can write all kinds off smart shit worth reading.


Now it is Just PC Bullshit.


Or you cant see what is going on through all the hate, for Bush, America, Free market system, and so on.

Starts with your hate for BUsh Cause you Voted For Kerry........Build a bridge and get over it.


WE WENT INTO IRAQ TO FIGHT RADICAL ISLAM.....see it was easy.


Say it a couple of times.........fuck the WMDs we know he had them, ask the Iranians......

THEY DETONATE, ANY NUKES HERE.....WE NUKE MEECA.

[Krogith]

Jon Lenenon? Please.....Could you be more Liberal.


Pope...Sir, we are with YOU (All us Catholics), and we will fight to the death for you. Just Say it like it is, and we Got your Back.

Glass house.....We are affraid to through stones cause we might offend someone. Political Correctness, along with America Hating, Leftwing, commie, Nuts jobs will be our Demise.

War ON Terror? Fuck that..... Say "War ON Radical Islam". Rolls off the tounge nice HUH?

Just say it how it is.

Illegal imaration, Is bad for the country, In many ways including, language barrier, Refusal of asimalation, Pull on Social services.

See I just said IT..

once you BIG SHOTS with the BIG vocabulary figure out WTF is going on, you can write all kinds off smart shit worth reading.


Now it is Just PC Bullshit.


Or you cant see what is going on through all the hate, for Bush, America, Free market system, and so on.

Starts with your hate for BUsh Cause you Voted For Kerry........Build a bridge and get over it.


WE WENT INTO IRAQ TO FIGHT RADICAL ISLAM.....see it was easy.


Say it a couple of times.........fuck the WMDs we know he had them, ask the Iranians......

THEY DETONATE, ANY NUKES HERE.....WE NUKE MEECA.

Love your fellow mankind. Love your neighbor. Who pick up the sword will die by it. This is what Jesus tought and then look how you act! Your following Babylon into distruction. All religions that don't practice peace and permote distruction will be distroyed. STOP PUTTING YOUR FAITH IN MANKIND. How can you claim such things Bring peace? The USA is Makeing more terrorests WAR BRINGS WAR! We need to show Love. Faith in mankind has got us here.

It's Fact Sadam didn't do 9/11 so you need to find out who is doing these things and stop just pointing fingers. ( IT'S CALLED AN INVESTAGATION)

GREED has crupted the system you trust DON'T blindly follow HATE.

[psychocat]

Jon Lenenon? Please.....Could you be more Liberal.


Pope...Sir, we are with YOU (All us Catholics), and we will fight to the death for you. Just Say it like it is, and we Got your Back.

Glass house.....We are affraid to through stones cause we might offend someone. Political Correctness, along with America Hating, Leftwing, commie, Nuts jobs will be our Demise.

War ON Terror? Fuck that..... Say "War ON Radical Islam". Rolls off the tounge nice HUH?

Just say it how it is.

Illegal imaration, Is bad for the country, In many ways including, language barrier, Refusal of asimalation, Pull on Social services.

See I just said IT..

once you BIG SHOTS with the BIG vocabulary figure out WTF is going on, you can write all kinds off smart shit worth reading.


Now it is Just PC Bullshit.


Or you cant see what is going on through all the hate, for Bush, America, Free market system, and so on.

Starts with your hate for BUsh Cause you Voted For Kerry........Build a bridge and get over it.


WE WENT INTO IRAQ TO FIGHT RADICAL ISLAM.....see it was easy.


Say it a couple of times.........fuck the WMDs we know he had them, ask the Iranians......

THEY DETONATE, ANY NUKES HERE.....WE NUKE MEECA.

Nutjob IMO

I don't give a fuck if Bush or Kerry is in charge this whole war on terror is propoganda BS and I think the topic of this has been hijacked by Christian Fundamentalist BS merchants.

On topic
The knock on effect of our actions can be likened to dropping rocks into a pool the ripples spread and collide creating chaos,the ripples are comparative to what caused them, (a larger object = bigger ripples) because of this major events have a more widespread effect, however even the smallest ripple alters the dynamics of the larger one.
Butterfly effect is simply a protruded explanation of something so logical.

We all have the capability to be better people however I don't think we will ever find a cure for greed or stupidity or any of the things that make people choose to be arseholes.

[Bong30]

How was the ripple...after we nuked Japan?


Hummmm I drive 2 japanesse Cars....IE great trading partner now.


I have not seen any kamakazee....Have you guys? I just see fucked up JIHAD nut jobs.



YOU are wrong we need to make a BIGGER ripple.

Political correcness and fighting WARS with one arm tied behind our back is BULLSHIT...ie Viet Nam, Iraq...Blah Blah